The myth of the Klitschkos

No one is calling the Klitschkos great? I could dig up numerous threads where posters on this very board have alleged this very thing I never said they weren't tough. So you are yourself arguing with ghosts on that point. I said they were overrated. If you believe Vitali will beat Peter I will wager you on that one, no problem. Peter will decimate him. Peters power is not very overrated at all. He's actually the only man ever to genuinely hurt James Toney. I know Reggie dropped JT but that was a flash kd, James was never bothered in that fight, similarly the Roy kd was influenced by Toney being offbalance, and when he arose he was more embarassed than hurt; never staggered subsequently. Peter had Toney on rubber legs, and rocked him numerous times in their second fight; he had him hurt in the first too at one point I believe. Peter, at his worst, already sent Wlad to the canvas a couple of times; that was when he was simply a puncher with no stamina. He has shown recently improved skill; better handspeed, better at cutting off the ring, and a great workrate (pounding out the Toney rematch with high output for all 12). If Wlad fights Sam again he's in bad trouble There are a few people who argue that the Klitschkos are great, why start the thread and write a whole page essay about it? If Peter's power is so great and Wlad's chin is so bad, how come Peter wasn't able to knock him out then? If Vitali makes it to the ring with Peter, I'll bet you any amount of points you will have at that point.

Both brothers would'nt be shit in any other era but fuckin giant jounreyman and most wins are down to the fact there like several inches taller then the guys they fight. Pure bums on both guys records...

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I don't need to. I think it's unfair to howl about a loss to Ross Puritty who isn't really a bad fighter but absolutely is a journeyman. But my comments are largely in response to the bullshit from Wladimir's fanclub who will make precisely the same arguments about Wlad's rivals. I'm not so much bashing the Klitschkos as holding up a mirror.

And Will Hinton, King Ipitan, Cleveland Woods, Elieser Castillo... At least he doesn't have to suffer the indignity of an L to Wladimir Klitschko on his record! Come on, you can do better than that.

And what crappy fighters he fought. Chris Byrd Vitali Klitschko Hasim Rahman Tommy Morrison (who he fought to a draw after dropping Tommy twice) Corrie Sanders Michael Grant Larry Donald Kirk Johnson Eddie Chambers Alexander Dimitrenko the shaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmeeeeee! And Will Hinton, King Ipitan, Cleveland Woods, Elieser Castillo... At least he doesn't have to suffer the indignity of an L to Wladimir Klitschko on his record!

Oh I'm sorry, he was TKOd by Ross Purrrritttty after being hammered. That makes all the difference. Purritty and Brewster 1 were cases of Wlad punching himself out and Sanders was a case of Wlad being careless and getting caught. Unlike Lewis Wlad had the heart to keep getting up. That was before Manny taught Wlad to pace himself and fight at a distance using the jab. The old Wlad was a brawler who didn't take advantage of his size and protect his chin (which is not great) thinking he could just walk through everybody. Manny has improved Wlad as much as he did Lewis and when all is said and done there careers will be very comparable.

I've seen the fight. If Klitschko wasn't hurt in that final round it's because the numbness of unconsciousness had almost settled in. Don't worry though. Ross the Boss only retired with TWENTY LOSSES! And what crappy fighters he fought. Chris Byrd Vitali Klitschko Hasim Rahman Tommy Morrison (who he fought to a draw after dropping Tommy twice) Corrie Sanders Michael Grant Larry Donald Kirk Johnson Eddie Chambers Alexander Dimitrenko the shaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmeeeeee!

It makes a difference if you've actually seen the fight rather than talking out of your rectum as per usual. I've seen the fight. If Klitschko wasn't hurt in that final round it's because the numbness of unconsciousness had almost settled in. Don't worry though. Ross the Boss only retired with TWENTY LOSSES!

Oh I'm sorry, he was TKOd by Ross Purrrritttty after being hammered. That makes all the difference. It makes a difference if you've actually seen the fight rather than talking out of your rectum as per usual.

Chris Byrd X 2, Sam Peter, Lamon Brewster, Sultan Ibragimov, Calvin Brock, etc aren't really the worst resume ever.

Vitali Klitschko got knocked the fuck out by Chris Byrd

Wladimir was knocked out by Ross Puritty (at least try to spell his name right?) Do tell. I don't remember him being knocked down or seriously hurt once in the fight. Oh I'm sorry, he was TKOd by Ross Purrrritttty after being hammered. That makes all the difference.

Who cares? He got KTFO by Corey Sanders. And then he became the first person to knock himself out against Lamon Brewster. Finally, who the fukk has he beaten? Who????????

I honestly wouldn't be concerned about his losses if it wasn't for his utterly intolerable fans. I used to like the guy but dick-jockeys like WLAD OWNS and Tunney have put me off him. OUtpointing Ibragimov in a gingerly and tedious fashion solicited cries of "BEST EVER" from these clownshoes, who furthermore bleat and honk about David Haye's losses and Lennox Lewis's losses as though getting KNOCKED OUT by ROSS PURRITY doesn't matter! Wladimir was knocked out by Ross Puritty (at least try to spell his name right?) Do tell. I don't remember him being knocked down or seriously hurt once in the fight.

I'm going to be pretty brief as I can't be assed typing out a prolonged spiel. But here's how I see it...coming down the stretch of Lennox Lewis' career boxing fans and press began to speculate about the next great heavyweight fighters that could feasibly fill the void left by Lewis...Wladimir Klitschko was the man they elected to fill that void. He was big and strong and athletic, with an unbeaten record and a phd. He had beaten some okay fighters like Jameel McCline. The litmus test hadn't yet arrived. Either way he got blown apart by an elder statesman of the division, Corrie Sanders, in two rounds. Bang goes heavyweight contender mark 1. Enter his brother, Vitali. The pair have similar styles; I've never liked their styles; upright, stiff, no style or grace or canny footwork; I tend to like fighters with these attributes, Pernell Whitaker, Joe Walcott, Ray Robinson, Tommy Hearns, James Toney etc. So I was never endeared to the Klitschkos. I quite liked Lewis - he was big but he could move well, and he was all round fighter. He was clever in the ring too, and had a tremendous right hand. He was proven. Vitali had no big names on his record prior to fighting an out-of-shape and undermotivated Lennox Lewis in 03. It was a bloody battle. Both of them were gassed, Lewis landed big, Klitschko landed big, they stood firm; it was sloppy, engrossing, bloody. Klitschkos face got shredded and the docs understandably stopped it...Klitschko made a name by fighting in level terms with an out of shape Lewis, in the champs final fight. Imagine Ray Mercer had sustained a cut in his fight with Lewis after a few rounds, and it got halted...Vitalis elevation to the top of the HW crown was the equivalent of doing the same to Ray back in 95 (?) when he fought Len first time out, which woulda been bullshit, as it was with VK.. Anyway look, Vitali is a goddam myth, he aint fought nobody. Danny Williams, what? He quit against Byrd because of a shoulder problem. He's got a nothing record. He hasn't fought in years. If he fights Sam Peter he's gonna get run over, Sam is the best fighter he'd have fought save for Lewis, and given Lennox' flat footed and lackadaisacal performance then Peter, the shape he's in now, his workrate, is the BEST he'd face. Wladimir has carved out a good spot for himself in boxing, but still I ask, who has he beaten? He's still found ways to get his ass knocked out. By chumps. He's a good puncher, and he's pretty solid. But his style sucks. His last fight was a disgrace. HW champs do not perform like that; they dont just jab. It was embarassing. I think neither of them have did anything of merit to be considered great heavyweights, they're merely filling a big void in HW boxing, it's like if there had been no Holy, Lewis or Tyson in the nineties and big, athletic but styleless fighters like Tommy Morrison or Shannon Briggs would be at the top of the tree. The Klitschkos dont impress me at all, and I'm backing David Haye and Sam Peter, two genuinely exciting and crippling punchers to inject some life into this wasteland of a division Everybody pretty much knows this - fans and writers. It's pretty obvious - don't think they're fooling anyone except members of their fan club.

The Klitschkos, like heavyweight boxing, are a joke. Wlad can't stop falling apart in the ring and Vitali can't stop falling apart outside of it. http://nalts.files.wordpress.com/2006/07/frankenstein.jpg

The Klitschkos, like heavyweight boxing, are a joke. Wlad can't stop falling apart in the ring and Vitali can't stop falling apart outside of it.

The first thing that usually comes up is the fact that Wlad lost three times (all by KO) in his career to inferior competition. This is fair criticism, especially to Purrity that was admittedly a bad loss. But that loss did come early in his career. And Brewster and Sanders (his other two losses) were decent fighters and Wlad defended his loss to Brewster. I also think it is only fair to note that has not had a loss in almost four years. Anyway, there has been only one heavyweight champion in the entire history of boxing that has retired undefeated so I don’t think people should condemn him too harshly on it. I honestly wouldn't be concerned about his losses if it wasn't for his utterly intolerable fans. I used to like the guy but dick-jockeys like WLAD OWNS and Tunney have put me off him. OUtpointing Ibragimov in a gingerly and tedious fashion solicited cries of "BEST EVER" from these clownshoes, who furthermore bleat and honk about David Haye's losses and Lennox Lewis's losses as though getting KNOCKED OUT by ROSS PURRITY doesn't matter! Wlad has also beaten everyone around and continues to do so. If Lewis losses can be swept under the rug than so can Wlads. If Lewis's losses were swept under the rug it was Lennox who was holding the broom. His losses were real lucky-punch losses against massive punchers at the top of their game and he destroyed them both in the rematches. That's why every elite Caucasian fighter gets ZERO credit and is always an "overrated bum who fought nobody." I could care less about skin color, unlike you, apparently! I'm not one to diminish the achievements of a caucasian fighter on account of their skin colour, and suggesting that Lennox Lewis was a better champion than Wladimir Klitschko has less to do with skin colour and more to do with common sense.