Was Leonard as ragged on as Mayweather is?

or Miguel Cotto = Aaron Pryor or Miguel Cotto = Mike McCallum Maybe. Either way, we're still waiting for Hearns to show up.

I didn't even know half this stuff, I wasn't even born yet. But I can kinda see why fighters like Hopkins like to drop Haglers name more then Leonards, Hagler was a beast. Hagler had it the hard way, before getting a title shot he had already cleaned the division, than when he got it, he got a draw which was not highway robbery, but not exactly on point accordingto many observers. That's another reason why someone like Hopkins respect him and feel him.

Fans like you put the sport in danger. Seriously. Miguel Cotto = the Tommy Hearns to Mayweather's Leonard. Big fucking deal my ass. or Miguel Cotto = Aaron Pryor or Miguel Cotto = Mike McCallum

Are you serious??? What do you mean? He is overestimating what happened between margarito and mayweather. He has argued for years that margarito and mayweather will be mentioned in the same sentence and mayweather not fighting a guy who should be fighting at 154 and is 6'0 tall will drag down his career accolades. I think you know ferocity better than that.

Bottom Line: Ray Leonard pulled stuff far worse than Mayweather has probably even THOUGHT about trying, yet he is loved by everyone, including me. The Mayweather hate will pass as quickly as Margarito and Cotto from any history books

I think SRL had somewhat more power than Mayweather, also more guts and a willingness to engage. I mentioned this on another thread, but wanted to reiterate. That, more than anything else, is why I think Mayweather falls short of Leonard's high regard. Not because of the power, but the latter....he's never taken any real risks. I think because he's a tad chinny. Corley rocked him pretty good, and if Corley were anything resembling a finisher, he'd have stopped Mayweather. Not that this makes him a worse fighter, but I think this is partly why he just doesn't take risks...to worried about getting his ass KO'd. Leonard didn't seem to give a shit. You need to watch that round again...

Monzon was something of a freak. I like Hagler better but I'm a bit in awe of Monzon. His terrible lifestyle (smoking, drinking) which seemed to be unable to dent his enormous stamina, the excessive violence of his character, contrasted with the unassuming normalcy of his style (name a fighter more difficult to identify what exactly set him apart) made for a fighter who is rarely mentioned in discussions but hard to ignore. Wow!!! that's a great one liner on Monzon! good k

Not fighting Miguel Cotto? Big fucking deal when you look at the shit Leonard pulled in his career. Fans like you put the sport in danger. Seriously. Miguel Cotto = the Tommy Hearns to Mayweather's Leonard. Big fucking deal my ass.

How could you even compare the two? I mean seriously, how? I mean I want to know what fart-cloud in your brain erupted and triggered the nerves in your brain to say it's ok to compare the two? lol Seriously? Ray didn't duck anyone, I mean that shit he pulled in the rematch with Duran was bitch-made lol, but that's about it. And didn't he leave Hagler hangin cause of an eye problem? Doctors advice due to a detatched retina or somthin? Not only that, but Ray jumped on the oppertunity to fight Hagler and Hearns. Ray ducked Pryor. The retina was a long time before the Hagler fight happened, adn had nothing to do with ”retiring“ to duck a rematch. So you can definitely compare the two, if you don't have fart clouding your brain.

Mayweather will be remembered but so will Margarito in the same breath. When you look at a great boxer you also look at the errors or lows in his career. Are you serious??? What do you mean?

Cotto, Margarito and Williams are hardly comparable to Duran, Hagler, Hearns though are they? Really, if Mayweather was fighting at the same time as those guys he may have become champ and then would have been beaten by all of those above. Apart from Hagler maybe as Mayweather would not have fought at middleweight. He may not even have fought at WW with the talent that was there back then. If you consider who was fighting at the weights around where Mayweather would have fought back then, it is very, very unlikely he would be undefeated or even close to a six weight champ. Pryor, Arguello, Cervantes, Benitez etc all at the lower weights. Mayweather was smaller than Leonard, hence he would lose to bigger men (Hearns, Hagler). It is very simple, and it has nothing to do on how good Leonard or Mayweather are. As for the 140 class, Cervantes was old as hills, Arguello didnt have the style to beat Mayweather at any weight. Benitez and Pryor would be closer fights, with Pryor being the interesting one, as Benitez wasnt exactly very focusedi in the ring, and especially in the gym.

I appreciate all the info provided by guys like Silencers and Live Dog, etc. It is possible to have a decent conversation. I like Leonard and I guarantee a lot of the other guys in this thread do, but you can still tell the truth about him.

I would say this thread has been a huge success in getting my point across. A lot of people are starting posts saying, "Man, I didn't know that" about Leonard and a lot of people are in here calling him a bitch and the like. The point is Leonard was very pampered and got to have his way every time he fought. He was the media's darling and he got away with some Floyd would be CRUCIFIED for today. Not fighting Miguel Cotto? Big fucking deal when you look at the shit Leonard pulled in his career.

This was taken from another thread here on boxingscene. These are SRL's own words: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191333 I remember sitting ringside at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas with Michael J.Fox for Marvin Hagler's fight against John "The Beast" Mugabi. Marvin was a guy I watched religiously. I knew he'd fought two tough fights against Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran and I knew he was getting older, then against Mugabi I could see the fights were taking their toll. He beat Mugabi but he was slowing down. I turned to Michael - we were drinking a few beers - and I told him, 'I can beat this guy.' Michael looked at me like I was crazy. 'Ray', he said, 'have another beer.'

People forget that Leonard publicly talked a ton of trash (and not very well in my opinion, because it contrasted so strangely with his image) despite his reputation as the golden boy. He was trying to be Ali in this respect, but did not manage it very well.

I didn't even know half this stuff, I wasn't even born yet. But I can kinda see why fighters like Hopkins like to drop Haglers name more then Leonards, Hagler was a beast. Then why are you commenting on things you know nothing about?

How could you even compare the two? I mean seriously, how? I mean I want to know what fart-cloud in your brain erupted and triggered the nerves in your brain to say it's ok to compare the two? lol Seriously? Ray didn't duck anyone, I mean that shit he pulled in the rematch with Duran was bitch-made lol, but that's about it. And didn't he leave Hagler hangin cause of an eye problem? Doctors advice due to a detatched retina or somthin? Not only that, but Ray jumped on the oppertunity to fight Hagler and Hearns. Aaron Pryor begs to differ.

maybe they should have used Leonards expression to score the fight instead of using the scorecards then LOL ,idiot would have been the same outcome.... Leonard v Duran was closer than Hagler v Leonard thats the point im making I would hope you are smarter than this but Hagler knew before hand he would not be getting a rematch he got pwned and acted like the biggest baby in the history of the sport ,Leonard said he only wanted to beat Hagler and he did it end of story Hagler didn't act like a baby. He waited a year for that rematch. He got pwned????? im not suprised Floyd rematched Castillo it was the least he could do after blantently robbing the fella ,Castillo was nothing but a B Class fighter and he still Pwned PBF shows u how overated that chump really was no wonder he wants no part of Cotto if Castillo can own his ass JLC is a B class fighter?? sad..sad post

god ur dumb. i never fuckin said Ali was adored in his prime. My father HAAAAAAAAAAATED ali. A toooooooooooooooooooon of people hated Ali. But when u come down with a deadly illness, u tend to sypathise with the guy. My dad loves Ali now. Donates to his charity. Watches his old fights. I mean seriously, nobody hates Ali anymore. And i would hardly call Mayweather "hated." He just wasnt the fighter OR the type of person thats going to be adored by the public, ever. And boxing isnt popular enough right now for Mayweather to even be remembered by the public in 10 years. Yep, nobody liked the guy, mostly because of his mouth and arrogance. Personally, I think he was one of the most amazing talents ever, but certainly not invincible, like so many seem to think, and like many other people, couldn't stand his bullshit. Mayweather is just very unpopular, not hated like Ali.

I think SRL had somewhat more power than Mayweather, also more guts and a willingness to engage. I mentioned this on another thread, but wanted to reiterate. That, more than anything else, is why I think Mayweather falls short of Leonard's high regard. Not because of the power, but the latter....he's never taken any real risks. I think because he's a tad chinny. Corley rocked him pretty good, and if Corley were anything resembling a finisher, he'd have stopped Mayweather. Not that this makes him a worse fighter, but I think this is partly why he just doesn't take risks...to worried about getting his ass KO'd. Leonard didn't seem to give a shit.