I cannot believe what I've been reading from fellow Floyd fans about Williams

Actually they've been asking him to step it up soon after the Castillo fights when he went into fighting soft opposition after Castillo scare. And you can't say just one fight against Cotto when even the boxing media wanted him to fight Margarito!!!! Great post (even though i disaggree with you on the points above that i mentioned. Well, Judah and De La Hoya weren't necessarily soft opposition, but thank you.

Floyd has now retired leaving us with memories of his brilliance inside and outside of the ring. But as we all know towards the end of his career, there was a cry from the boxing world for him to set aside his quest for money and fame and exercise his duty as the welterweight champion and defend his title against the worthiest of challengers such as Miguel Cotto. For at least one fight. So the boxing world asked, but Floyd declined and his most die hard fans justified and defended his decisions to by pass the responsibilities and commitments the labels "Undisputed Welterweight Champion" and "#1 P4P Fighter" brought upon the possessor. According to may hardcore Floyd fans in this site, Floyd did not need to fight anyone the boxing world asked, but only who Floyd wanted to fight. According to these hardcore Floyd fans, this was not an indication of cowardice, but more an indication of independence and business savvy. Now that there is no more Undisputed WW champion, this has put Cotto in the unofficial spot as the world's best welterweight fighter. But as Floyd is gone, Paul Williams is back. Now, Williams is perceived as the biggest threat to the best welterweight fighter by some, but most emphatically, by Floyd's fans. The same fans that were supposed die hard supporters of Williams who claimed Cotto was ducking Williams, the same fans that were NO WHERE to be seen when Williams was outclassed by Quintana. But now that Williams has destructively avenged his loss to Quintana, now the loss he suffered does not matter anymore? So the fact that Williams was COMPLETELY outclassed, embarrassed by an underdog is not a variable in the equation anymore? There is even talk on the forum from some who are saying because of the way Williams fought, he would be more competitive than Cotto against Floyd regardless of the fact tha Williams was out boxed horribly in the first match with Quintana which would most likely be the case X10 against Mayweather.Dare I say that the gross overrating of Williams has returned? What we are seeing now are DEMANDS from those Floyd fans who are supposed Williams supporters DEMANDING that Cotto face Williams. What we are seeing now, are these same Floyd fans declaring that boxing is a sport where the best fight the best, therefore Cotto who is thought to be the best welterweight by the boxing community needs to prove that he is the best by fighting Williams. What we are seeing now are Floyd fans claiming that Cotto vs. Williams is the best welterweight fight that can be made, therefore, it should be made. And according to these same Floyd fans, if Cotto doesn't face Williams, he is a coward and hurting the sport of boxing. So let us recap this a little further.. Floyd was the Undisputed Welterweight Champion, but he didn't need to fight any welterweights, none the less, Miguel Cotto. But Miguel Cotto HAS to fight Paul Williams because Cotto is NOW the best welterweight alive and that is what the best does........except for Floyd. When Floyd was the Undisputed Welterweight Champion and P4P King, if he didn't fight the biggest challenges, according to the Floyd diehards, he had the right to choose what he did because they were "sound financial decisions", but if Cotto doesn't fight Williams, he is a coward because boxing is a sport where the best fight the best.............except for Floyd. When Floyd was the Undisputed Welterweight Champion and P4P King, Boxing was a business above a sport. Therefore, fighting the best challengers was secondary or even not a priority above making sound financial decisions. So regardless that Mayweather vs. Cotto was the best fight to be made and the only fight that was logical in the welterweight division, it didn't make financial sense so it couldn't happen. But now that Floyd is gone and Cotto is considered the unofficial welterweight king and Williams is supposedly the next best opponent, the fight MUST be made regardless of the fact that Williams is still virtually unknown because NOW boxing is a sport above a business where the best MUST face the best.....except for when Floyd was still active. It almost seems that these Floyd die hards would jump on ANY fighter who can be thought of as a major threat to Cotto plainly because they were not happy with Cotto being thought of the only threat to Mayweather. If Clottey hadn't lost to Margarito, would we be seeing a Clottey bandwagon from Floyd die hards as we see for Williams? I think so. It is amazing how the win of someone who may still be highly overrated has exposed the true nature and agenda of certain boxing fans. You guys have no shame. Actually they've been asking him to step it up soon after the Castillo fights when he went into fighting soft opposition after Castillo scare. And you can't say just one fight against Cotto when even the boxing media wanted him to fight Margarito!!!! Great post (even though i disaggree with you on the points above that i mentioned.

My God, he used 2 screen names lol snicker. You aren't still pissed at me are you? lol hahaa right anyone that sons your ass is an alt. get real. no one respects ya.

I'm sorry, but I must have given you an indication that I valued your opinion. The only perspective I consider come from objective, unbiased posters. So forgive me for not reading your post. But I'm sure there are other biased posters here who will love to read your tripe and give you karma for. Good day. :eek: hahahahaha daaaaaaaaaayuuummm.

No, they shouldn't have any shame. You wrote a decent post, you just have floyd figured out wrong. Floyd's fans can root for anyone they like. Have you read the threads concerning Floyd??? They called him a coward. LOL. Picture that. Floyd a coward. Is that comical to you, or logical to you? Floyd fans should clamour for a Cotto-Williams fight 24 hours a day. Do you know how many threads have called floyd a coward??? Hundreds lol This will all stop if Cotto doesn't need margs. Everyone wants to see a guy get beat that they think is vulnerable. They did it to Floyd, so why not Cotto. Why not Margs? Why not Williams. It's just Cotto's turn. I'm sorry, but I must have given you an indication that I valued your opinion. The only perspective I consider come from objective, unbiased posters. So forgive me for not reading your post. But I'm sure there are other biased posters here who will love to read your tripe and give you karma for. Good day.

I don't think thats going to happen. Tonys going to win, set up a rematch with Paul, run through Paul and conquer the welterweight division. Its been a long road for Tony, but I'm confident in the next year, he will be the absolute best welter in the world. we'll see :boxing:

so i just finished reading and i pretty much agree. (was watching america's best dance crew) its funny how all of a sudden, the sport is about fighting the best and it aint a business no more now that Floyd bounced. that shit is ridiculous and it shows what kind of "boxing fans" these dudes really were. As far as Williams, he's getting overrated again by some posters. he DESTROYED quintana, but at the same time, Quintana destroyed Williams in his own way in the first fight. if any fighter had been made to look like a amatuer this year, it would be between Calzaghe and Williams. let Paulie take on another top 10 weltwer to see how he really has improved. the Paulie we saw last tonight didn't get a chance to show the areas in which he has made adjustments. Cotto will fight Williams if not by the end of this year, it would be mid next year. let Cotto get past Margo which is a tough fight, then we can start yellin for Cotto vs. Williams. another fight fans really want. I don't think thats going to happen. Tonys going to win, set up a rematch with Paul, run through Paul and conquer the welterweight division. Its been a long road for Tony, but I'm confident in the next year, he will be the absolute best welter in the world.

so i just finished reading and i pretty much agree. (was watching america's best dance crew) its funny how all of a sudden, the sport is about fighting the best and it aint a business no more now that Floyd bounced. that shit is ridiculous and it shows what kind of "boxing fans" these dudes really were. As far as Williams, he's getting overrated again by some posters. he DESTROYED quintana, but at the same time, Quintana destroyed Williams in his own way in the first fight. if any fighter had been made to look like a amatuer this year, it would be between Calzaghe and Williams. let Paulie take on another top 10 weltwer to see how he really has improved. the Paulie we saw last tonight didn't get a chance to show the areas in which he has made adjustments. Cotto will fight Williams if not by the end of this year, it would be mid next year. let Cotto get past Margo which is a tough fight, then we can start yellin for Cotto vs. Williams. another fight fans really want.

Lol alright bro thanks for the tip, I got you on this. My bad. But seriously, if Pavlik waits for Calzaghe and DLH fights Tito I'm going to be pissed. I think Winky would beat Calzaghe at 168. Well DLH WON'T fight Winky. It just won't happen, Winky is too good and too small of a draw for a DLH opponent these days. Pavlik and Winky would be a good fight IMO. Calzaghe would beat Winky I think. Too big, too active, too good at adapting. DEFINATELY hoping for Pavlik-Wright, although I thought Pavlik looked good last night, and my opinion of him improved quite a it. He was able to throw effective hooks and uppercuts. I have thought that his lack of creativity was going to be his downfall, but he might have fixed that.

DWiens my old friend, why are you hatin on me?? I keep gettin G from bo xi ng ta lk to harrass Schaeffer and Arum about Wink fighting either Pavlik or DLH. I'm on your side killa. I don't have a problem with you other than you do seem to go out of your way to be an asshole when arguing about Williams. Just make your point without name calling... it makes things a lot more pleasant. Save your verbal blows for douchebags like Wlad Owns.

By the way, this Luciano idiot who can't argue without acting like a little bitch was a Williams fan before last night too. Him and Burner were the Williams brigade. I can't remember anyone else being a huge Williams fan before this.

That's a great post, audible. BUT...Mayweather was NEVER Undisputed Champ in any division, for sure not welter weight! He was WBC Champ, that's was it, never Undisputed. To be Undisputed you would have had fought EVERY Major Champ.....WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO. He never fought either Champ...Cotto, Margarito, and now Williams.

And Mayweather arguably lost a decision to Castillo, Williams is way bigger, stronger, faster and has 100x the work rate. Your point?? Idiot. dont need to get so angry son. Castillo was early in Floyd's career and there is NO fighter smart and better at learning and adapting than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Williams would absolutely be a tougher fight for Mayweather than Cotto would. I've always said that. After the Quintana loss I said well to hell with that. If Quintana can outbox him, Mayweather can. Now it's obvious it was a fluke night back in February. Haha. Paul Williams got completely outboxed by Quintana. Quintana is not 1/16 the boer that Floyd is.

anyway, Williams/Cotto will happen. All PWilly has to do is make sure he doesn't lose again. im sure that wont happen.

we're older than 12? really? because of all the flip floppin you do, you'd think you were an 11 year old girl.

thats a fucking long post. where do yall find the attention span for this? we're older than 12?

thats a fucking long post. where do yall find the attention span for this?

Fair play then, only ever seen him talk about Mayweather so i thought he was jumping on the wagon. He actually said that Mayweather wouldn't have a chance against Williams before Quintana I. He's back on that train of thought after last night.

To be fair, he was one of the only ones how has been a huge Williams fan before and after both Quintana fights. Burner is a legitimate Williams fan... a lot of the new ones... aren't. Fair play then, only ever seen him talk about Mayweather so i thought he was jumping on the wagon.