The best that never was...

I agree with the assessment that the Cubans are the best that never was along with Howard Davis Jr...

Stevenson and Savon Those Cuban Heavyweights! Stevenson Vs Muhammad Ali Savon Vs Lewis - We didnt get to see these :( COMMUNISM is outdated

Stevenson and Savon are in a class by themselves, because of politics we never got to see these guys win pro titiles. They could have though because Cubans are tough mofos...I visited Cuba several times and was impressed, the average Cuban street thug looked intimidating, he also spoke 3 languages. Back to the question, Ike could have been a world champ easily. Howard Davis jr. beat Aaron pryor in the amateurs twice, and held Meldrick Taylor to a draw in his prime(pre-Chavez), he also beat some Cubans for his gold medals(best U.S. Olympic squad ever)...I agree with you guyz on that one, he tanked in the pros.

Howard Davis Jr He's the only guy I can think of who was a complete never was. He never won a world title and he never won a significant fight that I can think of. He was very skilled though and was the outstanding boxer at the '76 Olympics. Just never panned out to being more than a good contender and elite amateur. The problem with Judah, Tyson and Sanchez is that they were all on top for awhile (however short it was). Tyson was the most feared man in boxing and is considered one of the greatest Heavyweight champions of all-time. Judah was the undisputed Welterweight champion for awhile in addition to being a two-time Light Welterweight title holder. Sanchez is highly regarded among the all-time Featherweight champions and beat the likes of LaPorte, Gomez, Lopez and Nelson. You can't say those guys "never were". Howard Davis fits that bill as a "never was" though. Very good call. Davis was a very skilled boxer, it just didn't work out for him in the pros. Bernard "Superbad" Mays is another one I can think of, a Kronk fighter that couldn't control his habits outside of the ring and never made it big. He was a very good fighter.

what about ALI and his missed time?? yeah people forget about that. how much better would he have been? people forget the ali that beat frazier twice , foreman , etc. was PAST-PRIME!!!

what about ALI and his missed time??

maybe. it didn't help that his stupid corner didn't know shit and couldn't keep the swelling down around his eyes. i used to believe that mike was undertrained but throught the years i kinda moved away from that point of view. mike was always in excellent condition. i think it was just an excuse that king decided to use to explain him losing. buster that night was just motivated and determined. no other point in his life would buster haven't gotten up from that uppercut mike landed. Yes, Buster wanted to win that fight, but I don't think Tyson was concentrated enough. It was the first time in his career he weighted over 230 pounds for a fight.

tua , brewster and briggs all proved they had durable chins in the heavies. imagine how well savon would have done with no headgear and pro gloves against those guys? how many power shots did lennox land on tua? how many power shots did lamon absorb from wladimir in their first fight? savon put both on queer street in the amateurs with headgear and heavily padded gloves on.

felix savon vs. david tua http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ja71FoZQrfY felix savon vs. shannon briggs http://youtube.com/watch?v=_oZYcjdSJtw felix savon vs. lamon brewster http://youtube.com/watch?v=kIjOf7cliSA felix savon vs. sultan ibragimov http://youtube.com/watch?v=91eVtOuMnQs

i'll do one better. felix savon. 4 olympic gold medals and 1,000 world championships in the amateurs. size? he got it. he was like 6'5 or taller i think. skills? obviously. you don't win that many gold medals fighting the best amateurs out there. power? he knocked tua out with amateur glvoes on. what can he do with 10 ouncers? =0....that sounds awesome...ill search for him to check him out. :boxing:

Teófilo Stevenson The cuban Amateur Heavyweight boxer. He was offered to fight Ali but he didnt wanted cos he wasnt interested. Its too bad he didnt go pro, cos maybe there would have been another great heavyweight on that era. Maybe we would have been crashed, but he had that amazing right straight one punch power that could overturn any fight. i'll do one better. felix savon. 4 olympic gold medals and 1,000 world championships in the amateurs. size? he got it. he was like 6'5 or taller i think. skills? obviously. you don't win that many gold medals fighting the best amateurs out there. power? he knocked tua out with amateur glvoes on. what can he do with 10 ouncers?

my god, i forgot to add this guy.... never seen that display of power, intensity, accuracy and will to win. strange he didnt make it.

Ruben Hurricane Carter Carter was already out of his prime when he was jailed and was never that great of a boxer.

Teófilo Stevenson The cuban Amateur Heavyweight boxer. He was offered to fight Ali but he didnt wanted cos he wasnt interested. Its too bad he didnt go pro, cos maybe there would have been another great heavyweight on that era. Maybe we would have been crashed, but he had that amazing right straight one punch power that could overturn any fight.

Howard Davis Jr He's the only guy I can think of who was a complete never was. He never won a world title and he never won a significant fight that I can think of. He was very skilled though and was the outstanding boxer at the '76 Olympics. Just never panned out to being more than a good contender and elite amateur. The problem with Judah, Tyson and Sanchez is that they were all on top for awhile (however short it was). Tyson was the most feared man in boxing and is considered one of the greatest Heavyweight champions of all-time. Judah was the undisputed Welterweight champion for awhile in addition to being a two-time Light Welterweight title holder. Sanchez is highly regarded among the all-time Featherweight champions and beat the likes of LaPorte, Gomez, Lopez and Nelson. You can't say those guys "never were". Howard Davis fits that bill as a "never was" though. I've gotta agree, he's from my hometown, and a lot of people know him and followed him in the olympics. it's a shame he never went on to be a professional champion because he had great skills, I'm not sure what his downfall was....

I wish Tua would fight alittle more frequently; he could get himself back into the mix with a few big wins against decent competition... too late for him now. in shape he would've been constant top 4-5 in the heavies. or imagine him at cruiser? scary thought. he was 204 when he started. tua is in a bad position. he's waiting for one last big money fight but the fights he need to get there are not available. the name guys don't want to risk fighting him (would you? you can't knock him out and all it takes is one lucky punch to get knocked out) and the guys that would fight him that could be a tough match won't get him paid. he's stuck fighting nobodies because one more loss and he's done (if he isn't already) prime , motivated , in shape tua would've held a title right now. outside of the klitschkos i don't see anyone being able to beat him.

Salvador Sanchez Amen to that!!!

But without Cus, who would have made sure he was well trained and concentrated on what mattered. maybe. it didn't help that his stupid corner didn't know shit and couldn't keep the swelling down around his eyes. i used to believe that mike was undertrained but throught the years i kinda moved away from that point of view. mike was always in excellent condition. i think it was just an excuse that king decided to use to explain him losing. buster that night was just motivated and determined. no other point in his life would buster haven't gotten up from that uppercut mike landed.

Howard Davis Jr He's the only guy I can think of who was a complete never was. He never won a world title and he never won a significant fight that I can think of. He was very skilled though and was the outstanding boxer at the '76 Olympics. Just never panned out to being more than a good contender and elite amateur. The problem with Judah, Tyson and Sanchez is that they were all on top for awhile (however short it was). Tyson was the most feared man in boxing and is considered one of the greatest Heavyweight champions of all-time. Judah was the undisputed Welterweight champion for awhile in addition to being a two-time Light Welterweight title holder. Sanchez is highly regarded among the all-time Featherweight champions and beat the likes of LaPorte, Gomez, Lopez and Nelson. You can't say those guys "never were". Howard Davis fits that bill as a "never was" though. Wow nice call... He is the boxing coach for the American Top Team school here in Coconut Creek, I met him in Boca Raton at the gold gloves where he was honored a few months back.

Howard Davis Jr He's the only guy I can think of who was a complete never was. He never won a world title and he never won a significant fight that I can think of. He was very skilled though and was the outstanding boxer at the '76 Olympics. Just never panned out to being more than a good contender and elite amateur. The problem with Judah, Tyson and Sanchez is that they were all on top for awhile (however short it was). Tyson was the most feared man in boxing and is considered one of the greatest Heavyweight champions of all-time. Judah was the undisputed Welterweight champion for awhile in addition to being a two-time Light Welterweight title holder. Sanchez is highly regarded among the all-time Featherweight champions and beat the likes of LaPorte, Gomez, Lopez and Nelson. You can't say those guys "never were". Howard Davis fits that bill as a "never was" though.