He would have absolutely cleaned out the best division boxing has seen in a while.
I mean, its crazy.
You cant mention a single name in the top 10 welteweight division without mentioning Cotto
You Mention...
Mayweather: and Cottos name comes up for obvious reasons.
Mosley: Cotto beat him
Quintana: Cotto destroyed him
Williams: Quintana destroyed him, and Cotto destroyed Quintana
Margarito: Since this is an "if cotto beats marg" thread, then its cause Cotto beat him
Judah: Good god Cotto beat him
Clottey: Cotto "beat Margarito," and Margarito beat Clottey
Cintron: Cotto "beat Margarito" and Margarito destroyed Cintron twice
Jackson Bonsu: WHO THE FUCK IS THIS!!!!
Collazo: Mosley beat him, and Cotto beat Mosley.
I mean, Cotto beat all the big names already, especially if he beats Marg and goes on to beat like a Williams if Williams can bounce back and beat Quintana this saturday.
I'd say, if he gets past Margarito, he has secured himself a spot in the boxing HOF... or at least its arguable, and thats crazy to think about considering he is just getting into his prime as we speak...
thoughts?
I think Cotto is going to give Margarito a boxing lesson. Cotto will use his jab and his boxing skills to keep Margarito at a distance. Margarito will come straight forward with no lateral movement just trying to connect power punches to no avail. Lets remember that Cotto is a good counter puncher packing a lot of power. He will punish the body making Margarito an easier target. Cotto will win.
I thought you were talking about pavlick there!
Naw, But I can see through his career like a window. Never giving Torres a rematch proves that they didnt want him to lose and took the path of least resistence. Instead he fought feather fisted fighters and old washed up good names. Never gave Torres his just do. Now, I hate him as a fighter. Now they try to make him out to be an All Time great. Fuck that.
Urkal, Pinto, Branco, Paulie, Zab, and Mosley. Come on dude, open your eyes and look at it from an un biaesed point of view. You too will be able to see the truth.
Hold up hold up is you serious? yo my man let me tell you something about all those guys you was talking about, Paulie was UNDEFEATED and then he went on to become world champion, he wast THAT good of a "feather fisted" fighter as you called him. Ricardo Torres was also UNDEFEATED with 26 KO's of 28 fights ALL while Cotto KILLED himself to make weight for those bouts, he didn't look half as good as he does now and all that "he got better" shit could take a backside seat cuz on the real he was always how he is now it's just he's healthier in fights, he doesn't have to kill himself to make weight no more so he is more nourished and can compete to his full potential, potential which was ALREADY there..
ima keep it simple here.. Zab been laid off for a year before and still did good, when he beat Omar Weis he came back a year later and defeated DeMarcus Corley. also he wasn't even laid off for a year he fought Ruben Galvan just 2 months before the Cotto fight, people say that about Zab to discredit Cotto when in truth in ANY time Cotto would have defeated Judah. Bronco? well he's a lot better than your favorite fighters tune ups. Urkal? same shit another GOOD solid opponent as an in between fights.. yea while Margarito is fighting golden cocks Cotto is knocking The Contender poster boy with his jabs. Pinto was a good, UNDEFEATED prospect whom holds a win over Cotto in the ametuer's and Cotto sought to redeem that, a hard opponent was Pinto n1gga don't forget it. Mosley will ALWAYS be a threat, he is something like Bernard in that department, his training camp is ridiculous and he is ALWAYS in shape, nobody is just going to beat a focused Mosley and when Cotto fought him Mosley threw EVERYTHING he had at this point in time in his Boxing Career and Cotto defeated him..
bottomline you CAN'T say Cotto cherry picked his opponents because whoever he fought that wasn't a past or present world champion either was undefeated and eventually became world champions or were solid and strong competitors who just couldn't quite make it and maybe have fought for titles at one point.. Cotto ain't no chump, and the way you making him smell to people on here is like he's still suspect and if thats the case pimpin' Boxing ain't for you. Cotto will eventually become better and bigger but as of right NOW he has done enough to at least get respect on NOT cherry picking his fights, on not fighting the champions of OTHER weights and fighting good, solid opponents at HIS weight class where HE is champion and not prolong his reign as champion all while fighting an over the hill name and a one dimensional fighter with only enough skills to over power you and nothing more, a fighter with only 1 resort.. you KNOW who I'm talking about here.. and Cotto AIN'T that he fights REAL fights. in less than 2 years he's managed to have fights against everybody Mayweather Jr decided to look away from and without Margarito whom is still pending he has beaten them all, hand picking my ass homie get ya Boxing game up..
Naw, But I can see through his career like a window. Never giving Torres a rematch proves that they didnt want him to lose and took the path of least resistence. Instead he fought feather fisted fighters and old washed up good names. Never gave Torres his just do. Now, I hate him as a fighter. Now they try to make him out to be an All Time great. Fuck that.
Urkal, Pinto, Branco, Paulie, Zab, and Mosley. Come on dude, open your eyes and look at it from an un biaesed point of view. You too will be able to see the truth.
So who the F*** has Margarito faught that makes him better than Cotto????If you really think Margarito is really gonna beat Cotto you must be smoking some good shit there in Texas. Dont hate on Cotto cuz he's Prican....Come fight night and imma be laughin when That Mexican gets beat
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That fight was a tune-up before Margarito. Many fighters on Cotto's resume are tough, competitive, and difficult opponents & the fact that he is fighting a dangerous fighter like Margarito( Who Floyd & Shane both turned down for 8 million) further shows he is going after the best competition. Once again some Floyd fans are not giving Cotto full credit just as some Cotto fans don't give Floyd credit. Then again they done need anyone here's credit.
Only a damn fool would say Hatton and Oscar exposed Floyd..Somebody get this scab some sense..LOL
So what if Forbes messed up Oscar's face more than Floyd...hell...David Estrada was hurting Shane more than Cotto..:owned:
Mayweather had Oscar's knees buckling in the 5th and 11th rounds..Forbes never once buckled him.
The Oscar that Floyd fought at 154 would have KO'd Cotto..Marge too..
Floyd has more than enuff power to hurt..even stop Cotto..
Cotto is so overrated it's not even funny anymore..
He hit Shane with everything but the kitchen sink AND STILL COULDN'T HURT HIM..
We saw Shane hurt in his PRIME by Forrest..Cotto couldn't hurt a past-it 36 y/o Mosley.
Some of what you say makes sense but you seem a bit biased. Your first few points are dead on but I don't think Oscar beats Cotto nor Margarito. Hell no. These guys actually punch with mean intentions - if Floyd did that even a couple more times in that fight, Oscar would've been sleeping. And that's something I wouldn't have thought prior to the fight (not without a long, extended beatdown).
Couple this with Oscar's stamina issues and I find it very difficult to believe he can defeat a Puerto Rican who would love nothing more than to one-up Tito, take hold of his country forever and make himself a mega-star in the process by defeating Oscar. And I don't think he stops a hungry-ass Mexican, a former sparring partner who - in true Mexican fashion - would fight twelve hard rounds against a guy who can manage eight, tops. No way.
And finally, this idea that Cotto is overrated because he couldn't hurt Shane is absolutely, f*cking ridiculous. Shane Mosley has one of the best chins in the game, you better ask somebody. Please note that Vernon Forrest is the ONLY dude who truly hurt Shane in his career and he STILL managed to get up and go twelve full rounds after that near disaster! Are you kidding me? Talk about horrible examples. This is a guy who leaped from lightweight to welter and took a prime Oscar's shots like they were breakfast. And moved up to 154 to boot! Think for a second.
I would hold off on the Hall of Fame talk if and when he beats Margarito AND Mayweather. That guarantees it. We still don't know how good a lot of fighters are on his resume. The best was Shane Mosley and he was past it. Zab Judah? Seriously, what has this guy done aside go 1-1 with Cory Spinks?
With that said, I think you guys underestimate Cotto's body of work at 140. In fact, one could say he fought the best opposition out of everyone at 140 at that time. Floyd, Hatton, Tszyu, etc. Sure Ricky has a win over Kostya but look at all the guys Cotto fought. Some weren't easy but the list is impressive. He seems to be doing the same thing at welter. Some aren't gonna be easy (see Mosley and probably Margarito as well) but if he keeps winning, the question won't be Hall of Fame but how great is he?
I'd also like to add to the above post that I favor Floyd over Cotto and have he and Margarito at a virtual toss-up. Mayweather operates at a much higher level and while I don't think it'll be easy for him, Cotto's style almost ensures Mayweather winning in spectacular fashion - a big stoppage following a lot of excellent in-fighting.
I give Cotto a slight edge against Margarito simply because he can adapt a little better than his opponent. I love Tony but I wasn't completely bowled over by his stoppage of Cintron. He's been at 147 since he was 18 and prior to that bout, it was starting to show. He's always gotten off to slow starts but he's lost a couple miles on his fastball. The Margarito of a few years ago was absolutely frightening.
Either way, a win over both would guarantee him the Hall.
I would hold off on the Hall of Fame talk if and when he beats Margarito AND Mayweather. That guarantees it. We still don't know how good a lot of fighters are on his resume. The best was Shane Mosley and he was past it. Zab Judah? Seriously, what has this guy done aside go 1-1 with Cory Spinks?
With that said, I think you guys underestimate Cotto's body of work at 140. In fact, one could say he fought the best opposition out of everyone at 140 at that time. Floyd, Hatton, Tszyu, etc. Sure Ricky has a win over Kostya but look at all the guys Cotto fought. Some weren't easy but the list is impressive. He seems to be doing the same thing at welter. Some aren't gonna be easy (see Mosley and probably Margarito as well) but if he keeps winning, the question won't be Hall of Fame but how great is he?
Beatin Marg makes him the real WW champ, but not a HOF fighter just yet. He's just gettin into his prime. He's gotta sustain success in big fights for a few more years before he becomes a HOF guy. He takes a big step toward that if he can win over Marg but that on top of his other accomplishments don't quite make him an ATG imo. He's on his way tho.
ur crazy yo!! Floyd is a Hall of famer already, 5 world titles in 5 different weight classes!!
So that's what the Floyd stans say...funny cause that mean's shit to me when the man ducks real competition. Years after he's retired, I'll be talking about that fool who thought he was so good yet never proved it against real challengers. Instead he thought he could avoid what he claimed to be the best at by participating in everything that doesn't involve stepping in the ring against the best. What will you be saying? Oh wait I already know... :nonono:
First off, Cotto has never hand picked his opponents. Like George said in his Torres fight, "you don't think your promoters will match you up with an equally puncher as you, and your in for the surprise of your life". That sums up some of his bouts. Cotto just goes through the motions and beats up his opponents as they are just in his way. It just so happens, big names have been in his way, and he's beaten them up good. Now Margarito, the man Floyd turned down what was it? 8 million to face? Now he's facing him. With Margarito out should he win, I don't see much more threats for Cotto at 147lbs, and he could do w/e hell he wants to cause he would be THE MAN. BTW-Torres didn't deserve that much of a rematch. He came in on short notice, fought Cotto at I think it was his last time at 140lbs when Cotto was struggling to make weight. If they ever fought again which I don't think Torres deserves a shot at this point, it would definitely be at 147lbs or higher. Whatever Cotto wants.
Cotto doesnt call out fighters. Cotto is not a promoter, he is a boxer. he is doing what he does best which is fight and clean up the WW division.
He wants to be claimed champ the old school way, by defeating everyone in the division. He needs no self proclaimation.
If cotto had have sat there on tv after beating mosley and said i am the main man at ww, I am more entertaining to watch than Mayweather and I want to fight him then he would have got his shot by now imo
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Cotto doesnt call out fighters. Cotto is not a promoter, he is a boxer. he is doing what he does best which is fight and clean up the WW division.
He wants to be claimed champ the old school way, by defeating everyone in the division. He needs no self proclaimation.
I don't know about HOF just yet but he sure will become the Top fighter in the WW and Floyd will become second.
But Floyd is already a HOF and top 50 greats. But when we speak of him in the WW div he became a DIVA.
I'd have to disagree. He was expected to win all of those(except the Mosley fight). The Mosley, Judah, and Quintana wins are very good. Paul Williams was overrated, and Collazo isn't anything special. If he can pack another 3 or 4 good opponents in the bag then I'd agree.
but Mayweather was expected to win all of his fights (and by large margin too) since the corrales fight. why is it different for him?
not even floyd would be a hall of famer if he didnt fight cotto or margarito
ur crazy yo!! Floyd is a Hall of famer already, 5 world titles in 5 different weight classes!! Cotto/Margarito just helps out/expands his legacy of being atg.