Why do Fraud stans avoid this truth?

I agree that Floyd should either fight the winner of Cotto and Margarito after DLH or should quit claiming to be P4P #1. Still the idea that he's scared to fight a welterweight is a bit flawed. If he's so scared to fight a welterweight then why did he fight a much larger Junior Middleweight with arguably better boxing skills than either Cotto or Margarito?I can see both sides of the argument but I doubt Floyd is "scared" of any of the current welterweights. Juan Manuel Marquez would like a word with you.

for what....?.......you need to slap yourself...........phony...........lol....we all know what floyd said..........why would a grown man try to come here and lie and say floyd sais he doesn't want any part of the welters???????.........lol........snicker............ So I fudged up the wording, but the premise is the exact same and why Floyd is retired today. Me>>you. I don't want a part of no welters I'm not trying to call out no welterweights Not much of a difference in wording, but thanks for the correction cortdog

Every time I see one of these threads I just say quit worryin about PBF and wait for July 26th. After that we got a real WW champ. Once he's done wit DLH Floyd can fight or not fight whoever he wants and we'll still have a real WW champ so fuck it.

his actual words was "I'm not trying to call out no welterweights" that is not the same thing as I don't want no part of the WWs. Well his actions seem to prove that!

Floyd after the Hatton fight. "I don't want a part of no welterweights". The guy said it himself immediately after fighting a jr. welter that hes simply not interested in fighting welters, how does anyone have this cat as the best fighter today? his actual words was "I'm not trying to call out no welterweights" that is not the same thing as I don't want no part of the WWs.

facts Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the best right now.

Floyd has the skills to fight at Welter...Hatton doesn't.. It has nothing to do with weight.. Hatton is a bigger man than Floyd...not taller..but bigger. and you're going to post those pictures of them standing next to eachother when?

Floyds lanky frame can accomadate the extra pounds.. Rickys little stumpy frame fills out perfectly at 140, and the extra 7 pounds for him is like a useless backpack with books in it.

Not that I want this to happen, but wouldn't it be interesting if Floyd died... what the hell would this board talk about? Seriously... how many members would stop posting on here (from both camps, haters and lovers alike)... We need more boxing fans and less Floyd enthusiasts/haters. You don't think that there have been a zillion threads about Floyd not fighting welterweights? Seriously? :ugh: Amen bro!:kiss:

:pat: I'm not saying he isn't a HOFer, I'm not saying he hasn't fought anybody nor have I said that hes received alot of gifts. I'm questioning what he has done at 147 to be considered, a. the best fighter in the division and b. by refusing to fight the absolute best, how does that make him the best fighter in the world today? Nothing you've just said addresses any of that. My Bad. Obviously, I didn't read your post thoroughly. But I get what you're saying. And to answer briefly... I, and many others, believe Floyd wouldn't have any problem with the current crop of welters in the division. Now, of course, its only speculation, but I just don't see anyone in that division giving Floyd problems. Sure, he'll have his head snapped back, and his chin tested a few times. But at the physical and mental level where he's at right now, very few, if any, can match or surpass his skill level enough to beat him in spectacular fashion. In fact, I don't believe any of them have the fortitude to take him into deep waters and sustain an attack for a prolonged period of time, when he's constantly just of range and fighting back with punches thrown with pinpoint accuracy in every single round. He just hasn't lost a fight where he's been in enough trouble to give his fans and his critics some perspective that pinpoint any major weaknesses or flaws in his offense or defense. Many say P.Will is more likely to hand him his first defeat. But, that remains to be seen if Paul can stay sharp and winning. JMO :boxing:

Why do idiots have the same conversation everyday? It's an essential quality of being an idiot. Next question? :D

Hearns' shoulders and chest were bigger than Hagler's as well..but he wasn't the bigger man Let me try to slow this down to moron level Hearns is TALLER Hagler is BIGGER Floyd is TALLER Hatton is BIGGER Again...Pay attention now Donkey: Boxing is not divided by Height..Chest size or shoulder width..It's divided by WEIGHT. If you can't see that you're blind. :nonono::nonono:

I agree that Floyd should either fight the winner of Cotto and Margarito after DLH or should quit claiming to be P4P #1. Still the idea that he's scared to fight a welterweight is a bit flawed. If he's so scared to fight a welterweight then why did he fight a much larger Junior Middleweight with arguably better boxing skills than either Cotto or Margarito?I can see both sides of the argument but I doubt Floyd is "scared" of any of the current welterweights.

So is Hearns bigger than Hagler? NO Is Pavlik bigger than Tyson? He is taller with a longer reach...NOPE MOST of Floyd's 39 ights were at 130 and 135.. HE'S A SMALLER THAN HATTON in boxing terms..Since boxing is DIVIDED BY WEIGHT and not by HEIGHT and REACH Floyd is also broader in shoulders and chest. I've tried to be civil with you, but your boneheaded ass just doesn't get it. Show me 1 fucking picture toe to toe, in the ring where Ricky Hatton is bigger than Floyd Mayweather.

First off, the majority of pro boxing's top writers and ranking organizations agree on the accomplishments Floyd has been able to achieve by fighting the fighters he's fought, enough to consider him HOF material. The subtle clue that most don't seem understand or seem to miss, is that Floyd, being the supremely talented athlete that he is, has made 'most' of his fights look easy on his way to victory. It would be a shame and a disrespect to the top ranked fighters he's faced by asking "who has he fought?", as if all he fought were purely tomato cans with no skills or talent on his way to the top. A deeper look into most of the top ranked fighters' records he's faced in major fights, will reveal their respected accomplishments, and top ranked status before Floyd stepped into the ring with them. Many people make it sound like he's been gifted all of his victories by grossly incompetent judges, without putting out much effort compared to most of the top contenders who get into wars and eek out wins to the fans' satisfaction. :boxing: :pat: I'm not saying he isn't a HOFer, I'm not saying he hasn't fought anybody nor have I said that hes received alot of gifts. I'm questioning what he has done at 147 to be considered, a. the best fighter in the division and b. by refusing to fight the absolute best, how does that make him the best fighter in the world today? Nothing you've just said addresses any of that.

You don't know shit about boxing.. Boxing is divided by WEIGHT... Not HEIGHT and REACH..fool. That's why there are no Height Championships..but Weight Championships instead.You KNOW this yourself..or you should. Floyd is TALLER but Hatton is BIGGER Hearns is TALLER but Hagler is BIGGER Pavlik is taller than Tyson..but is he bigger??? Fuck outta here I don't know shit. I know what weight divisions are, you're saying Hatton is bigger, by what though? I'm saying Floyd by height is bigger. Floyd is also longer in the arms with a 72 inch reach while Ricky Hatton is 65. Floyd also appeared to be broader in frame when they stood toe to toe during the fight. All I have stated constitutes to being bigger.

Based on things that he hasn't done at his fighting weight? I'm trying to figure out how that works. At this point, I see Floyd getting credit for things he hasn't even done. This is 2008, you just can't live 2004 for very long. What is simply impressive that Floyd has done in the 147 pound division to garner such praise? Who has he beat? Any welterweight ranked in the top 10. Then compare to the other 147 pound fighters and tell me how many top 10 ranked contenders each of them has faced. Don't get me wrong, Floyd is an incredible talent, but what he did back then has nothing to do with now. Great for him he has the option to pick and choose his fights, but if not fighting the best, how can he be the best? Bigger bank account? Yea, he wins there, but boxing is based on in ring accomplishments and nothing more. Nobody really cares what his statements look like, its what his record against the best looks like. Right now, Floyd Mayweather Jr. isn't fighting the best and thats a fact. He has even said it himself I'll remind you once more. "I don't want a part of no welterweights". Again, I'll kindly ask, explain to me how that makes him pound for pound number 1 the best fighter today. First off, the majority of pro boxing's top writers and ranking organizations agree on the accomplishments Floyd has been able to achieve by fighting the fighters he's fought, enough to consider him HOF material. The subtle clue that most don't seem understand or seem to miss, is that Floyd, being the supremely talented athlete that he is, has made 'most' of his fights look easy on his way to victory. It would be a shame and a disrespect to the top ranked fighters he's faced by asking "who has he fought?", as if all he fought were purely tomato cans with no skills or talent on his way to the top. A deeper look into most of the top ranked fighters' records he's faced in major fights, will reveal their respected accomplishments, and top ranked status before Floyd stepped into the ring with them. Many people make it sound like he's been gifted all of his victories by grossly incompetent judges, without putting out much effort compared to most of the top contenders who get into wars and eek out wins to the fans' satisfaction. :boxing:

Not that I want this to happen, but wouldn't it be interesting if Floyd died... what the hell would this board talk about? Seriously... how many members would stop posting on here (from both camps, haters and lovers alike)... We need more boxing fans and less Floyd enthusiasts/haters. You don't think that there have been a zillion threads about Floyd not fighting welterweights? Seriously? :ugh: Respectfully, you don't like it, you can just bounce. To answer your question, the board would talk about boxing like all forums. Mayweather is a guy that says outlandish things, fans say outlandish things so I and others felt compelled to voice our opinion of it when something outlandish is said or done by an athlete. You don't want to participate, cool. But if you wouldn't have taken the time to respond, you wouldn't keep threads you don't like from getting upped. "Despite the rules I choose to be, one of the choosen few leavin you confused, dazed and what got you all amazed How the fuck we could be so blazed?" Big Duke

They would've fought three or four years ago if Arum wasn't so protective of Cotto. The opportunity is now there for both of them to get it on, which I wouldn't doubt is going to happen if Cotto beats down Margarito in stunning fashion. If Cotto struggles with Marg, who is nowhere near Floyd's skill level, Cotto vs Floyd won't have much appeal to a boxing public demanding a great fight. Again, the ball is in Cotto's court to blast Margarito out in spectacular fashion for a fight with Floyd to generate major interest among the boxing public. HBO will, no doubt, pull out all the tops to hype Mayweather vs Cotto. The fans who've been clamoring for it will finally get their wish.

I reckon this subject won't ever die. I'll chime in for the 403rd time and say that Floyd paid his dues while fighting under the radar for Bob Arum for a long time. The real details of their relationship and how Arum managed Floyd's career, to Floyd's dismay, will probably never be known completely. Although, Floyd was recognized as a top fighter even before he blew up to the current status he now enjoys, it wasn't until he broke away from Arum that he knew he could spread his wings and finally show what he was capable of. The results have been a far gone conclusion. It seems like he timed his departure from Arum perfectly, then stepped into the spotlight he always knew would shine on him brightly when he went solo. Right now, he's in a position to pick and choose his opponents, not to mention opponents that add marquee value and major cash to the events he wants to perform in. Whether or not he fights them other guys, his legacy is cemented in the HOF. And many will still consider him p4p the best fighter of his generation. :boxing: Based on things that he hasn't done at his fighting weight? I'm trying to figure out how that works. At this point, I see Floyd getting credit for things he hasn't even done. This is 2008, you just can't live 2004 for very long. What is simply impressive that Floyd has done in the 147 pound division to garner such praise? Who has he beat? Any welterweight ranked in the top 10. Then compare to the other 147 pound fighters and tell me how many top 10 ranked contenders each of them has faced. Don't get me wrong, Floyd is an incredible talent, but what he did back then has nothing to do with now. Great for him he has the option to pick and choose his fights, but if not fighting the best, how can he be the best? Bigger bank account? Yea, he wins there, but boxing is based on in ring accomplishments and nothing more. Nobody really cares what his statements look like, its what his record against the best looks like. Right now, Floyd Mayweather Jr. isn't fighting the best and thats a fact. He has even said it himself I'll remind you once more. "I don't want a part of no welterweights". Again, I'll kindly ask, explain to me how that makes him pound for pound number 1 the best fighter today.