who is a better fighter Calzaghe or Oscar Dela Hoya based on achievments

I would give the nod to Oscar Just because of the opposition. And that is not taking anything away from Joe. Win or Lose (which I felt Oscar lost to Sweet Pea, Quartey, and Sturm. Just my honest opinion) I feel his level of competition alone puts him higher than Joe.

DLH for me.

Joe has not done anything compared to the true greats. He's beaten a bunch of nobodies in his homeland and then fought a way past his prime Bernard Hopkins and lost in my opinion. Had he come to the U.S. earlier, he would have more than a few losses on his record.

DLH no question. Plus he can rock stilletos. ;)

Not only is oscars achievements far superior he'd beat calzaghe at middleweight. exactly, smart man.

They are a different type of task definitely, but take it from someone with some considerable ring experience, going through that many weight divisions takes some serious talent (that would be an understatement), what calzaghe has done is more of a mental task, as in getting yourself motivated for so many fights, but in my opinion if calzaghe had a better resume you would have an argument, but the fact of that matter is he has a solid but unspectacular resume, so I don't think there is an argument Yes there is! But its over now, as I am going to bed. Nice posting with you though, always good to actually talk boxing.

I understand what you're saying, and you make some relevant points, but just like every fighter can't go through six weightclasses, every fighter can't be champ for ten years at a time, then be champ in another, still undefeated, history proves it. I seriously doubt Oscar would have stayed undefeated at a single weight for that long, just like Joe couldn't be a six weight champ. Not saying one is better than the other, but comparable, definitely. They are a different type of task definitely, but take it from someone with some considerable ring experience, going through that many weight divisions takes some serious talent (that would be an understatement), what calzaghe has done is more of a mental task, as in getting yourself motivated for so many fights, but in my opinion if calzaghe had a better resume you would have an argument, but the fact of that matter is he has a solid but unspectacular resume, so I don't think there is an argument

The mistakes that your making is that oscar could have made light welter a lot longer than he stayed there, and welter for that matter. Also so many of oscar's losses were so debatable, like trinidad, which I have watched so many times and am certain oscar won, but that is a debate for another day. He has so many incredible fighters on his list of opponents. You can't compare a fighter who has gone through so many weight divisions, with someone who has had longevity at 1 weight class, it just doesn't add up, im sure oscar would have absolutely dominated lw, and ww for as long as he could make weight. Joe has also only beat 1 light heavy don't forget, which is a helluva win, but isn't exactly roy jones material, who beat a lot of the top names in each division he went through. There is no comparison in my opinion I understand what you're saying, and you make some relevant points, but just like every fighter can't go through six weightclasses, every fighter can't be champ for ten years at a time, then be champ in another, still undefeated, history proves it. I seriously doubt Oscar would have stayed undefeated at a single weight for that long, just like Joe couldn't be a five weight champ. Not saying one is better than the other, but comparable, definitely.

this is a ignant question....de la hoya by far. reasons: 1. De la hoya went thru 5 different weight classes developing a legacy in each 2. De la hoya win or loose fights the best even if he has to go and chase them. Ex Hopkins etc 3. De la hoya has fought by far more elite fighters and future hall of famers. THe real question is who has joe beat. A 43 year old hopkins..and thats it. B4 that he was non existant even tho he been in the game since early 90's. Oscar has been a superstar and always in big time fights.

I have never stated that Joe's is better, but comparable, of course it is. Remove the fights Oscar lost and you have a similar record against elite level opponents. Oscar has more weightclasses, but right now Joe is the champ at two. Add the fact that Joe is undefeated and (I think, certainly one of) the longest reigning champ in the history of the sport, and you have two eminently comparable resumes. I also think their talent is easily comparable. Joe is not the obvious, skilled boxer that DLH was, but is way better in terms of ability to react to his opponents. Ring smarts I think you'd call it. If each is way better than the other in a single department, is that not comparable? The mistakes that your making is that oscar could have made light welter a lot longer than he stayed there, and welter for that matter. Also so many of oscar's losses were so debatable, like trinidad, which I have watched so many times and am certain oscar won, but that is a debate for another day. He has so many incredible fighters on his list of opponents. You can't compare a fighter who has gone through so many weight divisions, with someone who has had longevity at 1 weight class, it just doesn't add up, im sure oscar would have absolutely dominated lw, and ww for as long as he could make weight. Joe has also only beat 1 light heavy don't forget, which is a helluva win, but isn't exactly roy jones material, who beat a lot of the top names in each division he went through. There is no comparison in my opinion

anyone who knows me, knows Im not a calzaghe fan.. But I vote for him on this one. Because we all know he didnt beat Felix Sturm.. Aswell with Pernell Whitaker.. And to be honest I think Quartay edged De La Hoya in that fight aswell..

Well put, Toney and De La Hoya both fought and beat some of the best of their era, while the only prime top fighters that Calzaghe beat was Lacy and Kessler. My question to abadger is, how does Kessler and Lacy come closs to Quartey, Chavez, Barkely, McCallum, Jirov, Ruiz, Vargas, Whitaker ect? All of these fighters are some fo the best of our era and Oscar and Toney beat them all. Even if Calzaghe had at least fought Jones, Toney or any of the best, then he would get more credit than he is now becuase losing to them would be nothing to be ashamed about. He only has 4 key names on his record and two were past their primes. I agree DLH has better fighters on his resume, as I said. He did lose to some of them though. Again, I am not claiming Joe has a better resume, or even a better career, merely that if you take the achievements of the two boxers as a whole it is by no means as clear who's is superior as you portray it to be. Toney? Barkley was shot, previously KO'd by Benn. McCallum was how old? Jirov - Genuinely elite? These are very glib opinions, but very relevant ones, and you will notice perfectly compatible with being flipped around and applied to Calzaghe's best wins, point being, they are relevant in both cases.

You and me agree on a lot of things but, if you believe that you don't know boxing. There is not many that can compete with oscar in history in terms of resume The guy started at superfeather for christ sake! He hasn't beat them all but no one in boxing today can compete with oscar's level of competition I love joe calzaghe, but not only does he not match up in terms of his resume, but he doesn't have the talent that oscar does I have never stated that Joe's is better, but comparable, of course it is. Remove the fights Oscar lost and you have a similar record against elite level opponents. Oscar has more weightclasses, but right now Joe is the champ at two. Add the fact that Joe is undefeated and (I think, certainly one of) the longest reigning champ in the history of the sport, and you have two eminently comparable resumes. I also think their talent is easily comparable. Joe is not the obvious, skilled boxer that DLH was, but is way better in terms of ability to react to his opponents. Ring smarts I think you'd call it. If each is way better than the other in a single department, is that not comparable?

I think we can all agree that being undefeated counts for nothing if you've not fought the elite of your era. Well put, Toney and De La Hoya both fought and beat some of the best of their era, while the only prime top fighters that Calzaghe beat was Lacy and Kessler. My question to abadger is, how does Kessler and Lacy come close to Quartey, Chavez, Barkely, McCallum, Jirov, Ruiz, Vargas, Whitaker ect? All of these fighters are some fo the best of our era and Oscar and Toney beat them all. Even if Calzaghe had at least fought Jones, Toney or any of the best, then he would get more credit than he is now becuase losing to them would be nothing to be ashamed about. He only has 4 key names on his record and two were past their primes.

If you really don't think that there is any comparison to be made, and that the thread is stupid, you are just wrong. Sorry. Just had to make a little correction. Thats fair enough

You and me agree on a lot of things but, if you believe that you don't know boxing. There is not many that can compete with oscar in history in terms of resume The guy started at superfeather for christ sake! He hasn't beat them all but no one in boxing today can compete with oscar's level of competition I love joe calzaghe, but not only does he not match up in terms of his resume, but he doesn't have the talent that oscar did Just had to make a little correction.

If you really don't think that there is any comparison to be made, and that the thread is stupid, you are just wrong. Sorry. You and me agree on a lot of things but, if you believe that you don't know boxing. There is not many that can compete with oscar in history in terms of resume The guy started at superfeather for christ sake! He hasn't beat them all but no one in boxing today can compete with oscar's level of competition I love joe calzaghe, but not only does he not match up in terms of his resume, but he doesn't have the talent that oscar does

:rofl: :rofl: Get real. I will say this again, as I have before. Good knowledge of boxing is not typically associated with glib dismissal of top level fighters. I suggest you get real, and start thinking about boxing in broader terms than you currently do.

9 world titles in 6 divisions and fought the best out there. Nuff said.

Oscar as a fighter at one time I think was overrated, but now I think his achievments are underrated, either ways I am a big calzaghe fan, but there is no comparison between the two resume wise, or talent, this is a stupid thread OSCAR If you really don't think that there is any comparison to be made, and that the thread is stupid, you are just wrong. Sorry.