Excluding heavyweights, who is the best 1 (or 2) division champion?

I take Hagler. I've always said he was the best middleweight of all time, and I think the type of fighter Monzon was would feed Hagler's aggression. Everybody witnessed Hagler eating some of Hearns' best shots and coming forward, and I think Monzon would see the same thing. Granted, Monzon also had a fantastic chin, but I think Hagler ends up w/ a late stoppage in an absolute war. I'd consider giving my left nut to see this fight. I agree. Monzon wasn't a great inside fighter, once a fighter got inside him, he'd try and hold on. If Hagler comes out like he did against Hearns and stay at Monzon's chest so that Monzon can't get his jab going, Hagler wins.

dirty you would you take in a fight between haglar and monzon. I think thats 1-2 middleweights of alltime with both making a great arguement. I take Hagler. I've always said he was the best middleweight of all time, and I think the type of fighter Monzon was would feed Hagler's aggression. Everybody witnessed Hagler eating some of Hearns' best shots and coming forward, and I think Monzon would see the same thing. Granted, Monzon also had a fantastic chin, but I think Hagler ends up w/ a late stoppage in an absolute war. I'd consider giving my left nut to see this fight.

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Yeah it's gotta be Hagler.

Gotta' be Hagler. One of the best (if not the best) Middleweights of all time. dirty you would you take in a fight between haglar and monzon. I think thats 1-2 middleweights of alltime with both making a great arguement.

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Charles had some very good wins at MW and LHW. The fact that he's even considered as a top 10 HW (where he spent the end of his career,) should tell you something. Because at heavyweight he faced the best opposition of his career for the most part in facing Walcott, Louis, Maxim, and his competitive first bout with Marciano.

Looking for something to argue about? Charles was a very solid fighter, but no way was he top 10 p4p all time, that's just silly. Some have made the case that Ezzard belong in the top 10 heavyweights of all time.. while I don't follow that notion I don't think it's absurd to suggest it. Charles had some very good wins at MW and LHW. The fact that he's even considered as a top 10 HW (where he spent the end of his career,) should tell you something.

Except that Moore was 0-3 (1) against Ezzard Charles, who I'm sure you don't rank at all. Looking for something to argue about? Charles was a very solid fighter, but no way was he top 10 p4p all time, that's just silly. Some have made the case that Ezzard belong in the top 10 heavyweights of all time.. while I don't follow that notion I don't think it's absurd to suggest it.

Good call. I thought I remembered him moving up... Pep never fought in a title fight in any division except featherweight. In those days it was common to take non title matches a few lbs over the weight limit. The junior lightweight title wasn't worth shit back then.

I was gonna' put Moore, but I don't remember if he won a title at Middleweight where he started his career. Old Mongoose belongs in top 5 p4p of all time btw. Except that Moore was 0-3 (1) against Ezzard Charles, who I'm sure you don't rank at all.

I was gonna' put Moore, but I don't remember if he won a title at Middleweight where he started his career. Old Mongoose belongs in top 5 p4p of all time btw. He won his first title in his late 30's because people kept ducking him, he did fight at 160 early in his career though.

Bob Foster and Archie Moore were great light heavyweights, moved up a few times to heavyweight though, with minimal success. I was gonna' put Moore, but I don't remember if he won a title at Middleweight where he started his career. Old Mongoose belongs in top 5 p4p of all time btw.

Bob Foster and Archie Moore were great light heavyweights, moved up a few times to heavyweight though, with minimal success.

With Longevity comes a weak division. Only one to have a great division with his reign was Ali and even he took 4 years off. If he had fought those 4 years, his resume might not have been as great imo. He fought at 130 a couple times, but when he was a title holder he was at 126. I find it kind of strange that 130 was the only weight class that has been around forever, even though it's an in-betweener weight class. Lopez moved up towards the end of his career. Yeah, that's why I made it one or two division champs, because something like that would count IMO. He really wasn't a division jumper.

Lopez moved up towards the end of his career.

With Longevity comes a weak division. Only one to have a great division with his reign was Ali and even he took 4 years off. If he had fought those 4 years, his resume might not have been as great imo. Good call. I thought I remembered him moving up... He fought at 130 a couple times, but when he was a title holder he was at 126.

Willie Pep. Check his record if you don't believe me. Good call. I thought I remembered him moving up...

Gotta' be Hagler. One of the best (if not the best) Middleweights of all time. Hagler is a straight up BEAST! I asked this question because it is an interesting one IMO. GOAT status is compared by statistics such as # of world champions fought (one division fighters usually hold all the belts in the divison, and only so many champions from lower divisions can move up). Also, they can't compare how many belts they won or anything like that. A good one division champion should win 3 or 4 belts tops in his career. Win them and hang on to them is the motto. These fighters are responsible for their record (obviously), who they fight IN their given division (not retiring when someone good is on their way) and how good the fighters in their division are (which is beyond their control). Ricardo Lopez destroyed the minimumweight division, but I have heard the division was pretty weak. Same with Bernard Hopkins in the middleweight division. How about Jimmy Wilde? I heard his career was pretty prolific as a flyweight.

Willie Pep. Check his record if you don't believe me.