Kelson Pinto-Antonio Margarito comparison

Marg takes a punch better, has a higher output, works the body more, and throws a punch harder than Pinto. Only valid comparison is the height thing.

agian, homotown texan, you are pathetic you write all that shit about you bro and cousins and it dont say shit about you except that you are trying to use your familys pain and suffering to validate yourself. as far as the details go u can leave them out because i have done tours in iraq and afghnistan and have seen all that and worse. hell i work for the army in kuwait right now. in this thead you have talked so much shit about cotto and even went as far to say that u hated him, not that u hated him as a fighter, but u hated HIM.now u want to sugarcoat your words because you dont want to look jealous, fine whatever. it still dont change the fact that me and anyone else that served on this website thinks ur a coward.

I can see how the comparison is made, but I Pinto isn't Margarito. Margarito is tougher and stronger definitely. With that said, I still think Cotto will win the fight.

Dude, Torres hurt Cotto with afucked up wrist. Cotto vacated the belt!!! Torres wipes his ass with Cotto. Read the article I put up. you obviously don't seem to understand how Cotto fought stupid that night. If he hadn't looked over Torres this thread would'nt even exist. He landed some clean shots yes, but then after that Cotto woke up, and guess what happened? 7th round KO. Doesn't matter on how Cotto got hurt. He got hurt because he was fighting dumb, and it only proves that Cotto would've gotten rid of Torres even faster if he had fought the way he fought after getting rocked. So what if Torres took the fight on 2 weeks notice, the dude was active prior to the Cotto fight. That's no excuse. IF anything its worse for Cotto because he was training for someone else and had no videos to watch to adapt to whoever is stepping up next.

Cotto has the ability to explode on accurate quick short combos then stand back and admire his work, that seems to be his style. And when u do follow Cotto he stops and gives u something to think about whether it be a jab, combo, or body punch. Margarito just keeps on throwing on the inside like a true mexican boxer. Margarito is gonna get punished, but he won't know it during the fight because he's gonna keep on throwing regardless of what he's taking. It'll be interesting to see how Cotto boxes (becuz he will) against Margarito's barrage.

this guy h town texan is a fucking joke. he said he hates cotto, how the hell can uhate a man you never even spoken to. oh i know, he has his pathetic story of how he was a boxer but had to take care of his fucking goldfish or something and could not continue training with his championship training father(bullshit).and another thing if you didnt join the military because of 9/11 that means you are a PUSSY, it sure as hell didnt stop me from going in when i was 17. Stop hating cotto because he is everything you cant be. Jealousy is a female trait.

Naw I wanted to see that fight. I am a hardcore fan and a Margs fan. But in the mainstream and to the casual fan it didnt mean anything. I would love to see that fight. Shit It's late gotsta go to work in the morning. Good argument though. We both made some good points, green K your way. Im out. Later homie. No doubt. Shit I gotta get up at 6 myself. We'll finish this tomorrow. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

No one gave a shit about Margs then , and then he lost to P Will and no one really gave shit. Then he beats Cintron and he's a world beater? I like Margs alot, but come on dude. It's the same thing, no one gives a shit about Torres, so who cares about the fight. And no one cared for Margs at the time, so he deserved a shit. But Torres doesnt? I see H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y spelled all over that one. Yeah, it's all relative because Torres challenged Cotto face to face for a rematch, and had Cotto flustered, stuttering his words, saying shit like "It's not about proving to the fans who the best is" and "I'm looking to make smart business decisions," then looking over his shoulder like he's about to be assassinated, making sure Torres isn't in the room. You're lying to yourself if you honestly believe no one gave a shit about a Mayweather-Margarito fight. Casual fans, probably..but die hard fans wanted to see it. That was the best fight to be made at the time at welterweight, and you know it. But I guess Mayweather fans feel it wouldn't have been in his best interest, huh? http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

Cotto will land quicker and shorter left hooks inside of Margarito's like he did Pinto. Pinto had a high workrate. Those are the only comparisons you can make. Pinto was awkward, and he couldnt take a punch.

Phillip holiday? Are you serious? Prime JJL? Naw that ws against Azumah Nelson. John John Molina, the same guy who lost to a guy my dad trained with limited skills in Lupe Suarez? And thats because Suarez wasnt even that good. Molina want in his prime. Rivera? come on homie, you even know thats a stretch:nonono: Yeah faded as in old washed up fighter that lost to DLH and Tito with a suspect chin. The same Collazo that lost to a 140 lb'er in Hatton? im sorry did you say something? im blocking your wack as$.

Mosley a hall of famer? Based on what? He beat DLH but lost to winky !!! And lost to Vernon " i never did shit else with my career except lose to Mayorga" Forest?!! i know that he will get in the HOF because boxing lets anyone in. But what has he done to merit a HOF induction? ok my last post to you.... Mosley dominated and pretty much KOd everyone in his path until his first title shot at 135. He defeated the 31-0 Holiday. Defended the title 8 times, won all them by KO. Amongst those wins he beat a primeJesse James Leija, and a prime John John Molina. Oh yea and a PRIME LIGHTWEIGHT Golden Johnson, not the washed up welterweight Margarito fought. He then jumped up all they way to 147 and knocked out a very solid fighter in Wilfredo Rivera. Got a fight with a prime Oscar De La Hoya and beat him for the world title. Defended the title 3 times and won all by KO. He then ran into his arch nemesis Forrest who beat him twice. His first two losses, he went 38-0 which is very impressive. He then moved up to 154 and defeated De La Hoya again and won another title. He challenegd Winky Wright twice and came up short both times. Second fight was close, Winky was too big for him. Then went on to KO a faded Fernando Vargas twice, confident builders. And easily beat a very solid fighter in Luis Collazo. Then lost to Miguel Cotto. very solid career and worthy of the Hall of Fame in my opinion.

Why not also show the early rounds where Cotto was hurt? Where is Pinto now? Didn't Steward say Pinto could have been better then Cotto if Pinto was guided like Cotto was? I remember Stewards said this. And why is Pinto so highly regarded as a Cotto opponet, just because he hurt Cotto? Margarito is three times stronger the Pinto and Pintos punchs are not like Margaritos. He was never hurt against Pinto.

Yet you just mentioned PBF v Margs. So its OK for Cotto to not fight a fighter that has a chance to win, but no one gives a shit about. But when Floyd didnt fight Margs, who at the time no one gave a shit about, it called ducking? Do you not see the hypocrisy? Nothing hypocritical at all. And plenty of people gave a shit about it and still do to this day. Certainly more people cared to see Mayweather-Margarito than Mayweather-Baldomir. Mayweather had an open schedule in 2006. Margarito, sometime in the summer of 2006 called Mayweather out to his face. And what did that get him? Nothing more than a "Sm..sm..smart business decisions" reply from Floyd and a banishment from Mayweather's following press conferences. Mayweather tried to make a fight with Carlos Baldomir, but Baldomir asked for too much money initially. Mind you, Bob Arum's 8 million dollar, career payday, still was on the table. But was that an option for Floyd? No. His next plan was to move 154 to fight Cory Spinks. Kevin Cunningham even said it was virtually a done deal, and Tommy Gallagher shitted all over the fight on FNF. Soon after, Baldomir came to his senses and agreed to terms. Mayweather made 8 million + 1 dollar to fight Baldo. If that's not taking the past of least resistance I don't know what is. And you're telling me that's the same as a fighter moving up in weight due to struggles at the scale? Spare me.

And Cotto is nothing special. He is a fighter that comes along every generation. The talk as if he is an all time gerat. He is just a NOW fighter. The new flavor of the month fighter. He is as unoriginal and unoriginal gets. He is a typical brawler with power. The type of fighters that have been in every era. He is no Finito Lopez. He is no Roberto Duran. He is no SRL. He is no Hagler. Come on, he is the new fad, and when he loses one day, the truth will come out. brawler?:nonono: im done talking to you son its useless.

When the fuck did I ask for pity. Those were the cards I was dealt. I never once made it a sob story. Yuo0 just talk shit without knowing. That is just stupidity. Stupid is not knowing and speaking on something, which is what you clearly are. Cotto sucks in relative terms, but the Cotto nut huggers are so blinded by Cotto's cum in their eyes that they fail to read between the lines. Fuckin idiot. 32-0 (26 KOs) wins over an undefeated Carlos Maussa, undefeated Paul Malignagg, undefeated Ricardo Torres, undefeated Carlos Quintana. All them guys captured world titles. Wins over Zab Judah and hall of famer Shane Mosley. Cotto does not suck. A fighter who sucks could not achieve such accomplishments. Your CLEARLY hating if you say a fighter with those achievements sucks. You just gave me your life story thats all. Had to support my family, had to grow up fast, could have went pro, blah blah blah. I felt like i was watching the pre-fight hype before an ESPN FNF main event. I dont give a sh!t.

Torres lobbied and diask for a rematch after his hand healed. Cotto vacated the belt at 140, and thats where Torres stayed. He still wants the fight, but knows there is virtually no possible way for him to get the fight. I bet you anything, if they offered the fight to Torres today, Torres would have signed yesterday. But they wont let Cotto fight him. Too much risk - no reward. Cotto vacated the belt because he couldn't make the weight limit anymore. Since moving up, he has fought fighters like Zab Judah, Shane Mosley, and soon to be Antonio Margarito. They won't let Cotto fight Ricardo Torres because no one gives a shit about that fight anymore, other than Cotto detractors who seemingly feel Torres has Cotto's number and want to see him knock Cotto out.

Torres lobbied and diask for a rematch after his hand healed. Cotto vacated the belt at 140, and thats where Torres stayed. He still wants the fight, but knows there is virtually no possible way for him to get the fight. I bet you anything, if they offered the fight to Torres today, Torres would have signed yesterday. But they wont let Cotto fight him. Too much risk - no reward. Cotto NEEDED to move up due to weight issues. Torres is nothing special bro. Cotto just fought stupid that night. Call me when Torres WINS a fight, DOESNT GET DROPPED HARD AT LEAST ONCE, and THE WIN ISNT CONTROVERSIAL.

All i said was Pinto reminded me of a weaker and worse chinned Margarito kinda. And that Cotto-Margarito would be an explosive fight because had Pinto been stronger and had a better chin that fight would have been great but Pinto just couldnt hang. and everyone got all worked up.

Who did he get the belt from? BUMS!!! And I dont fuckin suck. I have trained since I was a kid. My dad was a world champion trainer. The reason I aint shit now is because I moved out of my mothers house too early and had to work and support my family. I had offers to fight for the Marines, but didnt go because of 9/11. Taht was my chance to go pro. Now I train fighters and have a fighter that is going to sign with Al Haymon or to a manager of Floyd Mayweather named Kerry. Me and Juan Diaz are the same age, and growing up I was gonna fight him, but in high school I grew too fast and I was 6-1 180 and too big for him. Never happened. Oh well. So dont talk unless you know someones history. fuk your history, how about that? I dont give a sh!t about your sob story, we all got one i dont need to hear yours. Carlos Quintana is a bum?

No he beat Paulie decisively, paulie didnt have cotto on queer street. And you know Cotto's people wont let him fight Torres because there is too much at risk. Torres is High Risk - Low Reward. He will fuck up the money, and you know they dont want that. Too much invested to lose it to a fighter that no one knows. They have carefully hand picked fights for Cotto so it can lead to big money in the end. You know, the BIG return on your investment that everyone wants. And they'll be damned if a fighter with no name beats Cotto. In the eyes of the main stream it would be a major upset. To me, it would just be what I thought would happen. When you say "Torres wanted the rematch and Cotto wouldn't fight him" it makes it seem like Torres was lobbying for the rematch and got turned down. Which wasn't the case. Torres didn't make an outcry for the fight, and neither was anyone else. It's ironic though, your theory of how this transpired, is somewhat similar to how I feel about the Mayweather-Margarito situation.