Watching Wladimir Klitschko box...

Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko would have given Ali problems even in his prime, but while we can never say for sure, the evidence we have suggests that they wouldn't beat him. Ali fought and beat Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton and George Foreman. All of whom are HOF standard heavyweights. Neither Wlad or Vitali can claim to have beaten a single HOF standard heavyweight. Maybe they are victims of their time, but the facts say that they haven't and the facts also say that they have lost to some very quality suspect opponents in their respective careers. Of course, boxers of their size, technical ability and power would give Ali problems, they'd give any heavyweight in history problems, but Klitschko fans who believe they would beat Ali just don't have any evidence to support their theory except some heavily prejudiced analysis of styles.

I think he would! By a 185 lb journeyman, no way in hell.

Wlad would never get knocked down by henry "pooper" cooper. :rofl: I think he would!

:nonono:you.......................................:tapedshut Ali would've NEVER been KO'ed by fuckin Cory Sanders or lame ass Brewster or any of them bums Wlad been gettin touched by! Ali could've beat Chris Byrd with 1 fuckin hand or arm, but Vitali couldn't! Ali in his prime would've beat the shit outta that Lennox Lewis Vitali got stamped up by! Homie Please!!!! Wlad would never get knocked down by henry "pooper" cooper. :rofl:

Wlad would have beaten Ali to a pulp in my opinion. So would have Vitali. :nonono:you.......................................:tapedshut Ali would've NEVER been KO'ed by fuckin Cory Sanders or lame ass Brewster or any of them bums Wlad been gettin touched by! Ali could've beat Chris Byrd with 1 fuckin hand or arm, but Vitali couldn't! Ali in his prime would've beat the shit outta that Lennox Lewis Vitali got stamped up by! Homie Please!!!!

Amazing! Yes it is amazing how anyone thinks that this bag of shit is actually a real fighter! Lets look at his track record.. Williamson had him down in the 4th round.. only won due to a head butt stoppage. Peter, who couldnt drop an old obese MIDDLE weight named James Toney in 24 rounds had him down 3 times! Brewster dropped hiom twice and stopped him. then of course theres Corrie sanders and ross purity.. This guy is a 6'5" pile of Ukranian DOGSHIT! To even discuss him with the names of great HW's like Larry Holmes is a total JOKE! HE IS SHIT! He goes down faster than Oscar Dela Hoya in a gay bar! :owned:

did u see wlad's last fight against ibragimov? yes,,,he pitched a shutout and scored a knockdown that wasnt called over an undefeated olympic silver medalist. hell,,he didnt even need to throw his right hand to win the fight. just goes to show how talented he is. he can be off and still dominate a fight

did u see wlad's last fight against ibragimov? that's what that pic is from dummy. :lol1: and yes i watch Wlad win 12 outta 21 rounds against iggy and knock him down.

the ibragimov fight.... first, i don't know how many people here actually box or train for fighting. being a fighter helps a bit as far as credibility because it seems like not many people actually understand what was gojng on in the ring that night. one, you have a guy who is more than 1 or 2 inches shorter than wladimir. two, the ibraggy's game plan was to be defensive and not initiate many exchanges. he was hoping to time wladimir's right the whole night. wladimir knew that so he made it were sultan had nothing to time. third, sultan fought out of a crouch. u already knew that ibragimov is much shorter than klitschko, but he added the crouch which made him much shorter than many of u obviously think. yeah, i do think wk gave him too much respect. however, i would rather have him win easy than giving all these haters more shit to work with. stickman, vitali doesn't seem to be prone to cuts. the only fight that cuts came into play was the lewis fight for some reason. and i think even a cut vitali could ko ali - unless ali ran the whole time. vitali is very good at cutting off the ring, so i think ali would have a tough time even running.

did u see wlad's last fight against ibragimov? Ibrabimov is one of those guys that are very difficult to land flush on. He can be hit, but not easily square on, and it didn't surprise me that the fight was a bore. He's also sneaky when he lands, which is probably why Klitchko was overly cautious. And he's also a pretty big puncher. Not Foremanesque power, but certainly enough to KO about any heavyweight around, with the exception of maybe 3 I can think of throughout history. Another reason Wlad was overly cautious. All in all, it was a poor performance by both fighters, leaving me yawning and wishing I'd spent the 48 minutes taking a shit and reading a book instead.

It's just amazing. So tactical, yet brutal. No one is gonna take those belts either! Never! http://blogs.msg.com/gameon/images/2008/02/23/klitschko022308.jpg did u see wlad's last fight against ibragimov?

i mostly agree with u. when i am completely neutral, which is mostly all the time, i can say without a doubt that guys like lewis, wladimir and vitali, would be more than trouble to ali. what i see, is that a lot of people love ali because of his loud personality. and that ali does have a great record, that puts him over the top. but i have to be completely neutral when it comes to who i thin can win fights like these. i have probably a dozen ali fights on tape, and have seen many more. so i know what he can do. personally, ll, vk, and wk would beat his ass if they really felt like they had too. all three have at least a good jab, left hook, and powerful right. all three are big, big boys who are coordinated. they are not lumbering skilless guys who can't fight. and all three have pretty damn good ring smarts. people shouldn't just look at the foreman or liston fight and judge that outcome by comparing them to ll or vk. u would put your money on lewis out of them, i would put it on vitali. not so different of a view. Styles make fights, as they say, and the only reason I'd put my money on Lewis is because of his ability to either find, or make the holes to land his big'un. Everybody knows how difficult Ali was to put leather on. Vitali, in my opinion, has more heart and a stronger will than his brother and Lewis combined, and if he weren't prone to cuts (Ali had a beautiful, stinging jab that rarely missed it's mark and was well known for opening gashes), or were just a tad more accurate a puncher, I'd give him the best odds of anyone to take Ali out. I still think he'd beat Ali, in all liklihood, just because he's more active than Ali ever was, and because you just about have to kill him to beat him (look at his face after the Lewis fight, and he was still ahead on all cards and wanted to keep fighting.....and I don't want anyone to start talking shit about the Byrd fight until you've torn a rotator cuff and managed to finish a fight with it), it's just that I'd give Lewis even better odds because of the style matchup.

Additionally, I think that Lewis (if he jabbed) and both Klitchkos would've probably had a very good chance of stopping Clay. He had problems against taller guys, period, and even bigger problems with guys who threw lots of jabs. I'd give Ali about a 40% chance early in his career, when he was in good shape, of taking a close decision against any of the three. If the fight were to have taken place when he was 30, he'd have probably been KO'd by the 9th or 10th. Incidentally, I'd make Lewis the greatest favorite to win by dramatic KO. He was always good at finding a way to land a big'un. Great timing, I suppose. As far as the Klitchkos are concerned, either could probably beat a 30 year old Clay into a bloody mess by the 10th, in my opinion. Ali simply didn't have the power to KO either Klitchko without taking them late, wearing them down and putting a few in the perfect spot. His chance to win would've been only by decision, and the problem with that is that both Klitchkos are way busier than Ali ever was. You could probably count the rounds that BOTH brothers have lost in their entire pro careers, combined, on the fingers of 1 hand, and have a little change. Anyway, that's my opinion. I said as much a few years ago, when Wlad was expected to drop out of boxing after his humiliations in the ring. Most thought I was batshit crazy at the time. i mostly agree with u. when i am completely neutral, which is mostly all the time, i can say without a doubt that guys like lewis, wladimir and vitali, would be more than trouble to ali. what i see, is that a lot of people love ali because of his loud personality. and that ali does have a great record, that puts him over the top. but i have to be completely neutral when it comes to who i thin can win fights like these. i have probably a dozen ali fights on tape, and have seen many more. so i know what he can do. personally, ll, vk, and wk would beat his ass if they really felt like they had too. all three have at least a good jab, left hook, and powerful right. all three are big, big boys who are coordinated. they are not lumbering skilless guys who can't fight. and all three have pretty damn good ring smarts. people shouldn't just look at the foreman or liston fight and judge that outcome by comparing them to ll or vk. u would put your money on lewis out of them, i would put it on vitali. not so different of a view.

he's one of a kind if he boxed in Ali's era, I'd put my money on him after all, Ali was nothing more than average against strong jabbers... Sonny Liston... Oh wait...

I can't wait to see Haye ram his 12 inch cock up Wlads anal passage. Said this before, and I'll say it again: Haye, while not bad as a cruiser contender, and an OK prospect as a heavyweight, just ain't got the tools right now to do more than get knocked on his shorts if he gets into the ring with Klitchko. He fights low, doesn't come in behind his jab, and is just too hittable. If that kid is serious about wanting a match with Klitchko, he'd better get busy on his homework. And he might wanna get maybe half a dozen tune-ups behind him, too.

Additionally, I think that Lewis (if he jabbed) and both Klitchkos would've probably had a very good chance of stopping Clay. He had problems against taller guys, period, and even bigger problems with guys who threw lots of jabs. I'd give Ali about a 40% chance early in his career, when he was in good shape, of taking a close decision against any of the three. If the fight were to have taken place when he was 30, he'd have probably been KO'd by the 9th or 10th. Incidentally, I'd make Lewis the greatest favorite to win by dramatic KO. He was always good at finding a way to land a big'un. Great timing, I suppose. As far as the Klitchkos are concerned, either could probably beat a 30 year old Clay into a bloody mess by the 10th, in my opinion. Ali simply didn't have the power to KO either Klitchko without taking them late, wearing them down and putting a few in the perfect spot. His chance to win would've been only by decision, and the problem with that is that both Klitchkos are way busier than Ali ever was. You could probably count the rounds that BOTH brothers have lost in their entire pro careers, combined, on the fingers of 1 hand, and have a little change. Anyway, that's my opinion. I said as much a few years ago, when Wlad was expected to drop out of boxing after his humiliations in the ring. Most thought I was batshit crazy at the time.

I can't wait to see Haye ram his 12 inch cock up Wlads anal passage.

Are you kidding me? "Wladimir Klitschko" should never be compared to the G.O.A.T Muhammad Ali. Wlad wouldn't have a chance vs ali in hes prime, wlad wouldn't find nothing to hit with hes slow footwork and super slow hands, all hes got is power and height other fighter's fear hes power to much and him being a giant, you guys are delusional. Super slow hands? Do you even watch boxing? Klitchko has VERY quick hands for his size.

yeah no question about it you're one of the few that knows something about boxing in here Im with you guys as well, HE had below average skills when someone was able to touch him with a jab

I think wlad would've had a chance like anyone else. And certainly a way better chance than some of the stiffs Ali had to fight in his prime. Remember , eatsern euros , but more precisely all soviets were banned from participating back then. (just like cubans). The HW scene would've been way different if it wasn't for this ridiculous situation they had to deal with back then. I'd say Wald , with his size , reach , power and skills would have a reasonable chance to beat a prime Ali...I'm not saying it would be a sure bet or anything. But i'd give him a logical 50/50 chance on his side. If the frail Henry Cooper was able to almost KO ali (ali , the guy who wouldn't go down vs Foreman and yet almost got owned by a thin brit)...then a big , skilled Ukrainian (yes , he's a got a shitty chin but still) , also has decent chances on his side. Ali's corner were forced to come up with a bullshit excuse to save his ass and give him some time to recuperate..that's the reason why he still won the fucking fight against Cooper. I'm the one who's saying this and yet , i don't even give a shit about today's division not about wlad. (i find him rather boring) but i'm being realistic. Ali to me is a human being. Not a god. A "legend" yes , but in an era in which he never had to deal with the rest of the world. His competition was for the most part against 90 if not , 95% americans. it's easy to label someone a "champ" of the world if you concider the world to be solely limited to the united states. What is up with people saying that? Yes, Russians couldnt go pro, BECAUSE THEY WERE FORCED TO FIGHT AS AMATEURS. That means, that when George Foreman won a Gold Medal in the Olympics(The collection of the best amateur boxers in the world), he was already fighting the best Russia had to offer at the time. If he beat those much older and more experienced Russians then, why dont you think he could have beaten them later on in his pro career, when he was getting better and better? please, someone explain this to me. I mean, Foreman beat a Soviet to win his gold medal. If all the best Soviet boxers were in the amateurs...??