Teddy Atlas : Mike Tyson did'nt have character

Are you kidding me? http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2002/01/30/tyson-crime020130.html are you showing me his rap sheet? what does that have to do with anything? LOL you seem to be really underestimating tyson because of his shape and substance abuse problems. maybe you think that even you would have a chance at whooping his ass lol ill tell you what, track him down and confront his sorry, fat, lazy, drug abused ass, and make sure to bring a camera.......so that way there would be enough evidence to add another lawsuit to that sheet. plus you'll need all the hospital expenses taken care off, you know the nurse care, that is if you'll live for it lol im not knocking any shit on you, but i cant take this discussion serious. it's silly. you taking a 52 year old man and matching him up against a former heavyweight champ....shit all right ill let Mr Scully take over for now and explain the physics of the punching power of a man over 200 pounds, former fighter, and what the impact of that punch would do to teddy's facial bone structure...

Teddy is in great shape bro. Tyson has a tripple chin.Mike has clocked people now and they didnt go to the hospital. who has he clocked now? sounds like you making it up. can you imagine what it would feel like getting hit by tyson with a bare fist? no gloves. why not match him up with lou duva....WTF. teddy would be lucky to stay alive, it's plain and simple

why? mike is FAT and recovering from DRUG ABUSE. Teddy is in top top shape. there are no rules in street fighting. teddy is in top shape? he's got a double chin, nuff said we are talking about a former heavyweight champion who was among the hardest punchers in the ring. how there can be any discussion on what would happen? mike doesnt need to be a trimmed 220 pounds to put hurt on you. mike being in the shape he is now, clocks you one time on the jaw and you end up in the hospital

Its really a mental thing with Mike. Im not sure who would win at this point. Im pretty sure Teddy is in better shape tho. Teddy isnt afraid of being locked up either. he would handle his business if he had to... I think Mike respects Teddy and MAYBE crossed the line with him way back when. Teddy MAY VERY WELL BE the first person in History to stand up to Mike and bully the bully. Mike was a great figter man, but look what happend when he left his team... He wasnt the same. Its mental Teddy would mental kick Mikes ASS. In the LL/ Mike Tyson press conference, Mike lost his head mentally. He through punches and misseed then bit LL.. he is weak mentally holmes. i dont know how anyone would even bother thinking about it when it's very obvious what would happen

Both Tyson and Atlas are off their respective rockers. Peas in a pod. Tyson rapes women while Atlas rapes analogies.

teddy always looks to start shit with someone he dont like. i mean he's got that scar on his cheek and it's like a foundation of his toughness. he was a street sonfobitch in his youth and he still got some street in him but he also knows the limits. and some of his actions are of course calculated. the pushing match at the press conference wasnt meant to brew into something it wasnt soppoused to be in the first place. and that is foreman retaliating, and getting it on with ted, because he wouldnt do that and teddy knew it. also tyson and teddy in a street fight.....come on, teddy of course would have a chance if he had his favourite tool in his pocket, a gun. he was smart enough to bring it with him when mike was 16. but then again despite what teddy says about tyson, i doubt he looks forward to any physical confrontation, otherwise he wouldnt be able to make further apperances on espn.

LOL street guys are a dime a dozen. And guess what..lets be real on this..if Tyson and Teddy were to match up in the street you would be insane to think Teddy would last...he got in George's face, sure he did..at a press conference with 150 people right there....he knew George wouldnt attack him....I mean, I am sure Teddy is tough and all, I dont say he isnt...hes been there...but the guy isnt Mister Indestructable. Ask Kirk Johnson

For a guy that always preaches about character, that sure sounds very hypocritical. Atlas also speaks loudly about how bad mismatches are for boxing, but has little problem with his own fighters facing overmatched foes. http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/1029/atlas-still-get-out-dodge-city/

Yes he did. Like the coward he is. A grown 26 year old man, pulling a gun on a 15 year old child. That doesn't make one brave, courageous or a man in my book, it makes them a punk coward. If you got to hide behind a gun, it just shows what lack of character one truly have.

Speaking of calling the kettle black, who is Teddy to try and assess someone's character, given his long history of criminal juvenile behavior. Had he not been white, he probably would have become a statistic by now. However since he wasn't a black, the courts had thrown him much undeserved leniency and patience. In addition, had it not been for Cus D'Amato, no one would have never known who this annoying Teddy Atlas fellow was. Mike didn't grow up with the same privileges, opportunities, options and chances that were awarded Atlas; The son a physician. Being some punk hotheaded hoodlum was the life that Atlas had chosen. Tyson wasn't afforded the same luxuries as Teddy Atlas however. He grew up poor, limited and handicapped by white racism. He didn't literally have the silverspoon in his mouth at birth like Atlas. The places that Teddy could go, Mike couldn't. I am not making any excuses for Mike. Yes he has made mistakes along the way and he has paid dearly for them. I am not denying that fact. All I am saying is, until one walk in another man shoes, then they have no right to sit back to judge him at all.

I have also heard from MORE THAN A FEW people over the years who have said that Teddy put the gun to Tyson's head..and then Cuz had to really talk Mike out of getting guys from Brownsville to come upstate to kill Teddy. You guys have NEVER heard Mike's side to the story... I bet there is a lot more to it than just what we have heard thus far. You have to assume that Tyson was not the type of guy to take something like that...i am sure he had plans for Teddy. Also, for what it is worth, say what you want about Tyson and his tempter, etc etc...but I would think Teddy might be lucky in a certain sense that at least once in all these years Tyson didnt decide to have someone break Teddy's legs or, even worse, Mike didnt attack Teddy himself in a fit if rage at some function, you know?

Hey I guys I repsect John. But Teddy has a LOT of street in him Just like Bhop and John just for some reason hates on those guys, I dunno why. Cause I like John I do. I like his stories and his posts. I never saw him fight, but saw him work the corner a few times. Props to you John. I like you. :cop: LOL thanks I feel a lot better now...but..lol.... I dont hate on anyone, I only point on opinions..teddy came from a middle class family, his father was a well regarded doctor, he was not a street person so to speak. If I come down on guys because the street and its image and its codes and its whole deal is totally out of wack then so be it. Teddy cannot critique people without being critiqued back for doing similar things, that's all I am saying

i heard from a good source that it wasent mike who made a pass at teddys niece . it was teddys niece who made a pass at mike and atlas niece told teddys wife and she then told atlas .And atlas hit the roof.

Mike tyson has and always will be scared of teddy

Teddy says he PLANNED to K-I-L-L Donny

No, Tyson's behavior isn't any excuse for Teddy's actions..or inactions as it turned out. But nobody is without fault. If somebody did something to an underaged female relative of yours, you wouldn't feel like you were within your rights to talk about their lack of character? Even if you had "thought" about murdering someone? He was not talking about him Murdering Tyson he was talking about Teddy going over to Another fighters house and wanting to kill him for firing him

No, Tyson's behavior isn't any excuse for Teddy's actions..or inactions as it turned out. But nobody is without fault. If somebody did something to an underaged female relative of yours, you wouldn't feel like you were within your rights to talk about their lack of character? Even if you had "thought" about murdering someone? Sure...but Teddy constantly talks about Mike and the irrational things he does, taking responsibility, etc etc...All I am saying is, IF Mike had done the exact same things Teddy has done....Teddy would be all over him about it. And for the record...Teddy hasnt been involved with Mike Tyson since Mike was 15, sixteen TOPS.... it was before tyson even made his mark in the open class of amateur boxing... for Teddy to constantly come off like an expert on Mike is kind of ridiculous IMO...in the grand scheme of things Teddy doesnt really know Mike at all and cant really claim to be some type of expert on the guy... after all, it's been 25 YEARS, you know??

teddy just doesn't like mike ...from what teddy said mike did something to his daughter so teddy put a fuckin gun to his dome and that was that

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Donny Lalonde responds to Atlas by Dave Spencer, FightNews Canada 2006-06-12 Fightnews recent interview with ESPN commentator and trainer Teddy Atlas has drawn quite the reaction from fight fans all across North America. In the exclusive interview, Atlas touched on having to go to Winnipeg and broadcast a fight of Donny Lalonde in 2003, a former world champion on the comeback trail at the time, and somebody Atlas had trained years previous. It is revealed in his book, "Atlas: From the Streets to the Ring: A Son's struggle to Become a Man," that Atlas came very close to murdering the ‘Golden Boy’ from Winnipeg in his New York City apartment, many years previous to their reunion in Winnipeg. In the book, Atlas describes getting a gun and going into the city, ready to get the job done. Getting buzzed into the building by another tenant and knocking on Lalonde’s door. "If he had opened the door, he was dead," Atlas writes, "I would have pulled the trigger, turned around, and walked away." Teddy waited through the night, waited for Lalonde to return, phoning the apartment periodically. When he finally got through, Lalonde’s girlfriend picked up. Atlas asked if Donny was there, and when the answer came back yes, he hung up and started making his way over to the apartment, still intent to finish the job he came to do. Somewhere during that walk, Atlas changed his mind, for whatever reason, he decided not to go down the path that would take Lalonde’s life and forever alter his own, likely ruining it. Lalonde who had let Atlas go as a trainer, had no idea how close he actually was to dieing, had no idea that had he not been out that evening, he would have likely been dead. He found out two weeks ago. “The first I heard of this was about two weeks ago from a friend and former fighter Danny Vandal, the former mayor of Winnipeg,” Lalonde tells Fightnews from his beachfront home in Costa Rica. “It actually didn't even surprise me when I heard it. Teddy got into fights with trainers and fighters quite a bit when I was with him. He may not be the most stable person walking around.” Lalonde wanted to set the record straight, “I feel compelled to communicate with the boxing community the accurate truth of his inaccurate comments,” the 41-5-1 fighter told us, adding that he has no recollection of the particular evening in question, “I don't remember any of it. Maybe he said it to sell his book, maybe he did that. I hope not for his sake. Sounds pretty demented to me. I feel sorry for him. “Teddy always prided himself on being such a man of morals and values. Can you imagine being that disturbed by being fired? Sounds like he needs some therapy to me.” At the heart of the matter was Atlas being let go by Lalonde. The money aspect of walking away from Mike Tyson was never important according to Atlas, but the potential money he lost out by the Lalonde split had him seething well past the first WBC super-middleweight championship fight ever with Sugar Ray Leonard in 1988 and well past the time Atlas had a heavyweight world champion in Michael Moorer in 1994. “I understand that Teddy suggests that he trained me for two years, was instrumental in my success, and that he was fired just short of him benefiting by being involved in the financial success of my career. Had he still been my trainer when I fought Ray Leonard, he would have earned $600,000 and he refers to that in the book. “In case Teddy doesn’t realize he actually only trained me for one year of a 23 year professional career. Look at my record; it was one year and one month exactly. Teddy Atlas was my trainer for 8 fights of my 47 fight career.” Lalonde who refers to Atlas as a “certifiable nutcase” points out that his former trainer even gets the apartment wrong that he painstakingly describes in great detail, talking of walking through the rain to 50 Barrow Street. “I bought a condo on Bleeker and Broadway in June of '87,” said Lalonde, “I lived there at the time. He thinks he was at Dave's (manager Dave Wolf) old apartment that I lived in when Teddy trained me.” Also disputed by Lalonde is him asking Atlas to manage him and being refused and told instead that Dave Wolf would be the best fit. Lalonde describes his quest for a manager that eventually would lead him to Wolf and subsequently Atlas as trainer. “As I did in looking for the best help in the gym by seeking out Marvin Johnson for the toughest sparring I could find, my next step was finding the best manager in the game. I called Mike Trainer who managed both Ray Leonard and Shawn O’Sullivan the Canadian that won a gold medal in the previous Olympics. My other hope for a manager was David Wolf who managed Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini as well as others. At the time they were the most successful mangers in the game and both were respected as the two best. As a matter of logistics I ended up visiting Mike Trainer first in Maryland at his office. Mike was very kind but he was unable to help me he said because he had committed to Ray and Shawn to not take on any more fighters so he could concentrate on their respective careers. I then asked Mike who he thought would be the best choice for me in the game as a manager. Mike didn’t have to think about it, he said David Wolf. I told him that I had already spoken to Dave, I thanked him and contacting Dave was my next move. “I contacted Dave and having seen my fights against Willie Edwards and the ESPN fight. Dave was interested enough to invite me to N.Y. to visit him and talk to him about the possibility of us working together. “Dave and I made an agreement and his first priority was to move me to N.Y. He, at the time managed Donny Poole also from Canada and Teddy was Donny’s trainer, Dave suggested that we try working with Teddy.” It was not a relationship that would last, and one that has Lalonde ranking the D’Amato protégé at the bottom of his list of trainers. “I can’t honestly say that I retained much if anything that I was taught by Teddy. Teddy too was a part of the whole but a VERY insignificant part I must say. The least significant of ALL my trainers throughout my career in fact. “Overall I was injured a lot while with Teddy and he refused to acknowledge these injuries which made them worse. By trying to “be a man” as Teddy would say. My injuries are so documented, he is completely nuts, as if two shoulder surgeries and many subsequent tears are "in my head", both hands broken and incorrectly aligned wouldn't have something to do with my injuries? Again, "in my head" he had to convince me I wanted to fight??