Was Muhammad Ali a bum?

was ali a bum? lol lol :wtf: were you born without common sense? what kind of ? is that, obviously you ride the short bus :chairshot Assuming that you've read the thread, I have to say that your reading comprehension skills leave much to be desired.

2 to pull a fix True it takes 2 to pull fix like that

OF CORSE HE WAS A BUM!!!! i mean look at this vid!! only bums can do some shit like that yeah **** ali!!!:chairshot Ali=the Seamus Casey of yesteryear.

I dont know its a bit of an eye opener when you read some of the evidence is'nt it. It sure was its out there now i bought an everlast autographed glove by Carter but i got it cheap maybe that why it was & other memorabilia i saw sold cheaper than other fighters

OF CORSE HE WAS A BUM!!!! i mean look at this vid!! only bums can do some shit like that yeah **** ali!!!:chairshot

Have they caught anyone for the crimes he was supposed to have done? I dont know its a bit of an eye opener when you read some of the evidence is'nt it.

was ali a bum? lol lol :wtf: were you born without common sense? what kind of ? is that, obviously you ride the short bus :chairshot

Muhammad Ali for all his jokes & grace only seems to bring controversy with him example this thread

If ALI was a bum, then boxing is nothing more than a sport of bums.

Ali In 1960, Cassius Marcellus Clay would end his amateur career on a high note, winning light heavyweight gold at the 1960 Olympic games in Rome. After running his pro record to 19-0, Clay faced 7-1 favorite Sonny Liston for the title. Most figured Clay stood very little chance of lasting past the first round; Liston was forced to retire on his stool after the 7th. Ali, the name he adopted after converting to Islam the day after winning the title, would make 9 successful title defenses, upending the likes of Floyd Patterson and Henry Cooper, cleaning out the division. After beating Zora Folley, Ali would begin a 3 year exile from the sport due to legal difficulties. He would return with stoppages of Ringo Bonavena and Jerry Quarrey, though his timing and foot speed seem to have suffered as a result of inactivity. He would lose to Joe Frazier in "The Fight of the Century" in a bid to regain unanimous recognition as the heavyweight champion. Ali would run up a long winning streak, beating most of the top contenders for the title, including fellow Dundee disciple Jimmy Ellis. He would drop an upset decision to Ken Norton, suffering a broken jaw in the process. Stung by the defeat and written off as a finished force, Ali would storm back with defeats of both Norton and Frazier. Then came "The Rumble in the Jungle", with undefeated wrecking ball George Foreman. Foreman had just knocked out both Norton and Frazier in under 4 rounds cumulative. Ali used his famous rope-a-dope act to wear out the huge punching Foreman and then came on to knock out Foreman in the 8th. Ten years after first winning the heavyweight crown, Ali knocked out the recognized best heavyweight in the world. He didn't just pick up some alphabet organized vacant belt or settle for a lesser titlist, he beat the only man you could beat to be seen as the heavyweight champion. Not many could do the same today. Ali would go on to participate in the fight many consider to be the best heavyweight fight of all time, the third contest with Smokin' Joe Frazier. Ali would stop Frazier after the 14th in Quezon City, Philippines and gain recognition as being the man who bested his opponent in the sport's hottest rivalry of all-time. Well past his best, Ali would lose to and avenge his defeat against Leon Spinks, becoming the first three-time heavyweight champion in the history of boxing. Ali would compete in 5 fight of the years, winning three of them and dropping two of them. Ali would retire after 2 ill-conceived comeback attempts against Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick with a record of 56-5 (37 KO). Most boxing pundits rank him as either the best or the second best heavyweight champion of all-time, alongside Joe Louis. Now, my question is, given that some have denigrated Ali as "a bum" on these forums, was Muhammad Ali a bum or not? For the record, I voted that he was not a bum. I understand your reasoning for the poll. Ali is one of the most recognizable athletes in the world(Pele, Jordan and Tiger are probably the only athletes ever on his level when it comes to worldwide recognition). His accomplishments in the ring speak for themselves. True knowledgeable boxing fans know that he is the standard bearer for boxing. There has never been or will ever be another Muhammad Ali. I hope the results of your poll puts an end to the Ali haters.

I will try and find the site i was on before, with evidence from the case etc. Have they caught anyone for the crimes he was supposed to have done?

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/ have a good look through this site its pretty interesting

Why so what evidence is there to suggest he did it? I will try and find the site i was on before, with evidence from the case etc.

agreed but i believe Carter just used the race card to and hide the fact he murdered those people,i believe he was guilty Why so what evidence is there to suggest he did it?

respect the legend, anyone who thinks differently is just stupid lol.

Well a lot of people think of him either as the funny poetic man on tv or a racist but Malcom X changed his view i think you have a good point they certainly took a lot of his money im sure they fed him plenty but at the end of the day he was with them Malcom X is an example of a man who changed his view Ali his friend left him who had great courage Malcom X or Ali they both gave there lives in ways & for what false propaganda you dont have to be any colour to be a Muslim as for Joe Frqazier he has the right to take his kids to shop etc & his family to mass without death threats & having to take his kids out of school etc many black fighters were opinionated but keeped it to themselves if anyone should be a hero to Afro Americans etc its Rubin Hurricane Cater what he went threw was racism Ali had none of that if anyone had the right to be a racist it would be him but his a gent & would have been a world champ just ask Emile Griffith. 2 Great fighters especially how they came back from defeat id have them outside the top ten but great stylists. agreed but i believe Carter just used the race card to and hide the fact he murdered those people,i believe he was guilty

I thought a lot of stuff Ali said was bordering on racism, allthough i dont believe he had any malice in his heart for white people.... i just feel he was being spoon fed crap by the Nation Of Islam I can tell you Ray Leonard is very close to the top of my list though. Lennox Lewis is top 5 for me aswell. Well a lot of people think of him either as the funny poetic man on tv or a racist but Malcom X changed his view i think you have a good point they certainly took a lot of his money im sure they fed him plenty but at the end of the day he was with them Malcom X is an example of a man who changed his view Ali his friend left him who had great courage Malcom X or Ali they both gave there lives in ways & for what false propaganda you dont have to be any colour to be a Muslim as for Joe Frqazier he has the right to take his kids to shop etc & his family to mass without death threats & having to take his kids out of school etc many black fighters were opinionated but keeped it to themselves if anyone should be a hero to Afro Americans etc its Rubin Hurricane Cater what he went threw was racism Ali had none of that if anyone had the right to be a racist it would be him but his a gent & would have been a world champ just ask Emile Griffith. 2 Great fighters especially how they came back from defeat id have them outside the top ten but great stylists.

tunney and his 16 alts. lol funny but more than likely true

cant believe 17 people said he was garbage :lol1: tunney and his 16 alts. lol

why is this a poll? you might as well make a poll asking if boxers wear gloves. cant believe 17 people said he was garbage :lol1: