amatuer boxing can someone help me understand this??

Yeah, what he said. The judging system is setup so that the blow is only scored when all the judges see you land the punch. That's why amateur boxing suits the best guys with a style that constitues a lot of moving, straight punches and outside work, along with a relatively low workrate. Actually, only three of five judges have to see the punch (and the score it within 1.2 seconds of each other). Low workrate? No, it's a sprint. You need to get ahead in the first round, and then stay ahead.

Top pros tend to have been good amateurs (good showing at the world championships, olympics, multiple golden gloves wins etc). Of course. But there are differences too. The number one p4p pro fighter today couldn't win the Olympics when he tried, and with the way he's fighting nowadays, he wouldn't be able to do it today either. Putting your head between your legs everytime your opponent attacks is, oddly enough, not considered "defense wizardry" in the ams, it's against the rules, and will lead to point deductions and disqualification. Besides, you're missing my point. The top pro's you're talking about, are the 1% I'm not talking about in what you replied to. 99% of all pro's are not top pro's. Is that so hard to grasp?

Actually i think the reason for the lowered number of punches scored is because they changed the rules ( i think) they no longer count inside punches they give a point (or two) to the fighter that they think got the better in the inside exchanges. Not correct. They've simply changed the judges guidelines as to what constitutes a legitimate scoring blow. The reason inside punches tend to not score so well is that they're hard to see from more than one angle, and if only one judge sees it, it won't score on the combined scored of all the judges.

That is a point I've already made myself. Good pro's aren't necessarily good ams either, so that goes both ways. Gamboa would beat 99% of the pro's in his division, right out of the Olympics though. Bear in mind that 95% of the pro's haven't gone 12 round either. Top5-10 guys would give him a hard time in a long fight though. Not because of boxing ability, but because of pro experience. The fact remains; top ams are better than 99% of the pro's out there. Top pros tend to have been good amateurs (good showing at the world championships, olympics, multiple golden gloves wins etc).

The goal is obviously effectiveness. If you land more punches than your opponent, you'll win. Since the fights are so short, aggression can be a great ally, but you can also counterboxand win, just like in the pro's. Furthermore, unlike what people who don't really know what they're taking about say, harder punching will give you an advantage. The harder the punch, the bigger the chance of the judges seeing it, and rewarding it. I watch over 1,000 am fights a year from beginners to world level, and it is much more common for a guy throwing harder punches yet landing less to get a win, than a featherfisted guy getting a win over a heavier puncher in a remotely close fight. Especially in the last few years, where the number of registered punches in bouts have gone down considerably. Actually i think the reason for the lowered number of punches scored is because they changed the rules ( i think) they no longer count inside punches they give a point (or two) to the fighter that they think got the better in the inside exchanges.

whats the point of it?? It's like playing College ball...that will determine if you make it to the Pro's. You are probably basing this on the fact that Kobe Bryant, Lebron James..and a hand full of others, went straight into the NBA from High School, skipping College. Some athletes are gifted like that. But a contact sport such as Football and Boxing...man, you gotta crawl before you can walk...there is where you learn how to take a hit...there aint no skipping into the Pros. The art of fighting requires tactical skills, skills you must develope. And that can only come with time.

Better at what???? at amateur boxing yea, at pro no. Amateurs that are good in the amateurs are not necessarily good at pro. Pro has more rounds and no headgear That is a point I've already made myself. Good pro's aren't necessarily good ams either, so that goes both ways. Gamboa would beat 99% of the pro's in his division, right out of the Olympics though. Bear in mind that 95% of the pro's haven't gone 12 round either. Top5-10 guys would give him a hard time in a long fight though. Not because of boxing ability, but because of pro experience. The fact remains; top ams are better than 99% of the pro's out there.

You mean as good as Zelenoff? :nonono: It's just a different sport. Look at a guy like Gamboa (or any other top 10 am in the world), are you telling me he wasn't good enough to go pro when he won the Olympics? Truth is, the top ams are better than 99% of the pro fighters out there. They just compete under a different format. Better at what???? at amateur boxing yea, at pro no. Amateurs that are good in the amateurs are not necessarily good at pro. Pro has more rounds and no headgear

to produce guys with great amatuer records like Jeremy Monster Williams who get KTFO by Akinwande and cost me money. Okay that was bitter, but it develops young talent. You can't turn pro until you are 18 so, it helps those who are very talented refine those skills at a young age

tru punchdrunk your right me and my trainer are going to do that

why is everyone on here for a forum is to discuse issues if you found this issue stupid or what not why reply just move on and i am not bitching i lost it is a L no doubt i was just speakin out on my experience of getting robbed like i am sure every amatuer fighter has been through fighting in someone else is back yard... That's cool. I just tend to get a little offended when someone disses a sport that I live and breathe for. :)

why is everyone on here for a forum is to discuse issues if you found this issue stupid or what not why reply just move on and i am not bitching i lost it is a L no doubt i was just speakin out on my experience of getting robbed like i am sure every amatuer fighter has been through fighting in someone else is back yard... Is this Charlie Zelenoff's alt?

why is everyone on here for a forum is to discuse issues if you found this issue stupid or what not why reply just move on and i am not bitching i lost it is a L no doubt i was just speakin out on my experience of getting robbed like i am sure every amatuer fighter has been through fighting in someone else is back yard...

thanks punchdrunk and good answer unlike some off the bs i got back why post if your just going to diss i mean why waste your time but anyways that makes more sense i guess but when he hit me i blocked when i hit him even with my jab i snapped his head i think the score wider punches better that they can see as oppose to inside shorter punches? You gotta realize, that everybody feels robbed in a fight sometimes, pro or am. Maybe they robbed you, maybe you just feel like they did, it happens. If you want to be succesful, you have to get over it, come back stronger.

thanks punchdrunk and good answer unlike some off the bs i got back why post if your just going to diss i mean why waste your time but anyways that makes more sense i guess but when he hit me i blocked when i hit him even with my jab i snapped his head i think the score wider punches better that they can see as oppose to inside shorter punches? Why don't you look at what you did wrong, learn from it and return better the next time? Complaining about it makes you look like a bitch. Oh and if no-one explained amateur boxing to you why are you competing in amateur boxing?

I doubt Gamboa(fresh outta the olympics) would be able to beat a top 5 contender. Remember, he's just out of the olympics first fight at pro is with a top 5 contender. Do you actually think he'll win? Well, you're setting him up to lose in that scenario. It's like the comparison between MMA and boxing. Of course a boxer won't be able to beat an MMA fighter in the octagon, but in a boxing match??? Same thing with Gamboa. Obviously someone conditioned to go 4 two minute rounds won't do well against someone who is used to going 8-10-12 three minute rounds, if they're fighting that distance. He'd wear out, and get beat down the stretch. Now, put the top 5 guy in a 4 two minute round fight with him, and yes, I think Gamboa could win. It's a different set of skills, and of course the guy who's been training and fine tuning for the exact rules they'll be fighting under will have a huge advantage. So I guess there a few nuances in this, that went over your head. :) Edit: And like Ryno said, I don't necesssarily think a top5 guy is part of the 99% ;)

thanks punchdrunk and good answer unlike some off the bs i got back why post if your just going to diss i mean why waste your time but anyways that makes more sense i guess but when he hit me i blocked when i hit him even with my jab i snapped his head i think the score wider punches better that they can see as oppose to inside shorter punches?

so if the crowd and the fighter i lost said i beat him... i knocked he mouth piece out twice and got no knock down i hit him with 3 uppercuts and he turn his back to me like say no more spit his mouth piece out the ref gave him a sec washed the mouthpiece off and continued to fight whats that?? :bottle: :bottle: :bottle:

i guess i worded it wrong let me break it down? agression or effectiveness what is the goal? The goal is obviously effectiveness. If you land more punches than your opponent, you'll win. Since the fights are so short, aggression can be a great ally, but you can also counterboxand win, just like in the pro's. Furthermore, unlike what people who don't really know what they're taking about say, harder punching will give you an advantage. The harder the punch, the bigger the chance of the judges seeing it, and rewarding it. I watch over 1,000 am fights a year from beginners to world level, and it is much more common for a guy throwing harder punches yet landing less to get a win, than a featherfisted guy getting a win over a heavier puncher in a remotely close fight. Especially in the last few years, where the number of registered punches in bouts have gone down considerably.

I doubt Gamboa(fresh outta the olympics) would be able to beat a top 5 contender. Remember, he's just out of the olympics first fight at pro is with a top 5 contender. Do you actually think he'll win? he said 99% of people, the top 10 fighter in a division most likely make up less that 1% of the division that would make the division only 1000 fighters deep lol