US Boxing Bias - Worst In The World?

General? Yeah, when you're talking about 300 million in a pool of billions generalities are it, Oppenheimer. And where do you hail? Like I tried to say there is a lot of arrogance and ignorance mixed together, I see that. But when you talk about great ego and believing to be a God among other citizens, many people from different nationalities fit in that description. Oppenheimer? Wow, some will take it as an insult or a complement, depends on politics.

Strong statement, but too general in my opinion. But there is definitely a lot of arrogance mixed with ignorance, so I guess I partially agree with your statement. General? Yeah, when you're talking about 300 million in a pool of billions generalities are it, Oppenheimer. And where do you hail?

People outside the US underestimate the ego of the American people. When you think of yourself as being a god among citizens you don't need to be nationalist. There's no need for it. Americans are too self absorbed to care about an American fighter winning. They already think they're better than everybody at everything. One match means nothing. Strong statement, but too general in my opinion. But there is definitely a lot of arrogance mixed with ignorance, so I guess I partially agree with your statement.

Americans don't respect non US fighters (excluding Mexicans, Cubans, and Puerto Ricans) because they pad their records in their home countries. Overall this is true. And for the most part I agree.

I can't take anything seriously from a guy who think Mayweather was better than SRR. Robinson was dropped 10 times most were in the latter part of his career and he fought 3 times as much as Mayweather. Not trying to be a smartass, but SRR had 163 fights more than Floyd. More than 5 times as many. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Apart from Witter and Haye I don think there are any boxers to talk about from the UK.All the talk about UK boxers is just national pride. Honestly I dont understand how many UK fans gave Ricky Hatton a chance against Mayweather to the extent of saying Ricky was a pound for pound best fighter.Same thing with Joe's padded record, I can't take anything seriously from a guy who think Mayweather was better than SRR. Robinson was dropped 10 times most were in the latter part of his career and he fought 3 times as much as Mayweather.

abadger just wanted to ask was i having a debate with u the other day about Amir Khan being the most overprotected fighter active today cause i cant rememeber if it was u or not

Apologies that this is so long. You are welcome get back to me the next time you have insomnia or whatever. You aren't neutral. Saying that Canada is neutral to American fighters is like saying that Ireland are neutral to UK fighters. Infact Irish people are more likely to see boxing from outside of Europe than Canadians are to see boxing from within Europe. When you add in the fact that the UK has been pretty shitty to the Irish for centuries, it seems fair to say that they are less likely to be biased than Canadians. Until the best fight one another it is opinion who is the superior fighter. In a factual sense there are more European world champions than American, but if I asked who your favourite fighters are and who the best are I bet more would be American rather than European. Not because you are intentionally biased but because you have seen more of the US fighters/media. I think that's a pretty poor analogy. What division a player plays in is based upon ability. What country a boxer fights in is not. It would be more accurate to say that it is similar to whether or not a player plays in the Premier League or in another top European league. Here's why: The PL probably has the best footballers in the world, but this not because English players are the best, it's because of all the foreigners playing there(ditto US boxing). However the PL, like US boxing, is the most watched in the world and pays the biggest money. Because of this an English player who is not that great, like Beckham, can get paid massive amounts of money because of his nationality, just like a US boxer. That's not to say that Beckham is shit, just as the top US boxers are not shit, but if he had been born in Moldova he wouldn't be rated as highly, and the same is true of several US boxers. If an Eastern European player wanted to prove that he was the best he would have to play in a top league, but, like Sergiy Dzinziruk and US boxing, there is no guarantee that him going to a foreign country would work out. He might not get a contract with anyone or he might get a contract but be paid less than he would get if he stayed at home. If Sergiy Dzinziruk had defended his title in America last weekend instead of in Germany, would he have made as much money? No. HBO wouldn't be interested, very few US boxing fans would want to go and see him, and he'd have to do all his training and preparation away from his own gym etc. Added to that less Germans would watch the fight on TV because it would be on at 3am, and so he would also get paid less money by the German TV channel that shows his fights. For many boxers it does not make sense for them to fight in the US, nor is it a realistic possibility. These guys devote their lives to their profession, and asking them to take a lesser payday in an unfamiliar environment just to satisfy some Americans who can't be bothered to watch a fight unless it's on HBO is pretty unfair in my opinion. So Kessler wasn't a top fighter? If that's how you see it then it is obviously impossible for any SMW to be a top fighter. If someone fights in a European dominated division then they will never beat anyone with a big US profile. What more should Kessler have done? He won a title(by KO). He defended in a different continent. Then he unified(by KO). Then he attempted to unify again and came up short against someone who is rated in the p4p top 3 by a large number of people. He has proven that he has good handspeed, a great chin, a good jab and a hard punch. If Kessler goes to the US and beats an American on US TV, he won't have suddenly become a good fighter, all he'll have done is increase the number of people in the US that consider him to be one. A film isn't the best just because most people have seen it and it wins lots of awards, otherwise Titanic would be a great movie. You call yourself a neutral but you aren't. Kessler is not rated by people such as yourself because he's a European who fought in a European dominated division. It's a simple as that. Honestly, the best post in this thread so far. Nice one.

I wouldn't consider Winky, Toney, or Tarver to be legendary at all. Toney might be great, but not so sure about legendary. Same for Winky. And Tarver? You gotta be fuckin kiddin me homey. Whoever referred to his ass as bein great? And fans that won't give credit to fighters just cuz they don't come from America are just stupid. Why are you on a boxing forum? :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

People outside the US underestimate the ego of the American people. When you think of yourself as being a god among citizens you don't need to be nationalist. There's no need for it. Americans are too self absorbed to care about an American fighter winning. They already think they're better than everybody at everything. One match means nothing.

Listen here Europeans, you will never be as good as an American in any sport we dedicate ourselves to. Boxing just happens to be one of them. Calzaghe, fought nothing but euro trash bums and doesn't even look like a pro fighter in the ring. Hatton, tough little UK redneck, but has the skills of a B level MMA fighter. Kessler? Ha, another overrated bum fighter. Amir Kahn is about the only true talent to be coming across seas. If Money Man gave him his blessings, that means Kahn has a future. Everyoen else was either made by Floyd or Hopkins. STFU. n00b. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

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Listen here Europeans, you will never be as good as an American in any sport we dedicate ourselves to. Boxing just happens to be one of them. Calzaghe, fought nothing but euro trash bums and doesn't even look like a pro fighter in the ring. Hatton, tough little UK redneck, but has the skills of a B level MMA fighter. Kessler? Ha, another overrated bum fighter. Amir Kahn is about the only true talent to be coming across seas. If Money Man gave him his blessings, that means Kahn has a future. Everyoen else was either made by Floyd or Hopkins.

Reading this thread it's official, I fucking hate these idiotic biased Calzaghe fan. No fucking sense whatsoever. I saw various people rating him P4P great, what fucking nutters. I'm sure they would done the same had Hatton won (although that would be more justifiable) - I hope they pick RJJ next, at least he has a damn pulse and throws more than ten punches a round. Or I hope they pick a decent solid fighter than has PROVED himself at least. Glen Johnson.

Not sure why you made that assumption, considering you joined the forum's in 2008... Maybe he's been reading for longer than he's been posting? Just a thought. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Aren't you one of the ones who was pretty certain that Lacy would beat Calzaghe? We're all guilty of it sometimes. Apart from me. I'm a pessimist, so I usually expect the UK fighter to lose. Last year I won a decent amount of money betting that England would lose in the Rugby World Cup final and that Hatton would lose to Mayweather. Seriously though, my opinion of Calzaghe is lower now than it was before the Hopkins fight. If I had been here longer I'm sure there would be fight predictions of mine that I'd want to forget. Not sure why you made that assumption, considering you joined the forum's in 2008...

Calzaghe could'nt live with this kind of ring craft he would have got Owned u think Hopkins made him look bad ,Jeez Toney would have made him look like a right jack ass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLFsai8DhVg I agree Toney would definetely have beaten Calzaghe without a shadow of a doubt. Fucking awful style match up for Joe. Prime Toney possibly a stoppage win.

Ha ha ha! Before I say anything, all the following fights would be close, and might come out different on different occasions, but: Calzaghe v Hopkins - Calzaghe Decision Calzaghe v Toney - Calzaghe Decision Calzaghe v Jones - Jones Decision Posted about all of that lot a ton of times, still recovering from the critical mauling I received for my Toney opinion, but thats what I think. Gotta go to the pub now though, so Terrible, feel free to do your worst while I'm gone! :D Calzaghe could'nt live with this kind of ring craft he would have got Owned u think Hopkins made him look bad ,Jeez Toney would have made him look like a right jack ass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLFsai8DhVg

surely German bias is the worst. lol. Has an American fighter ever won in Germany? seriously.

the UK is home of some of the most highly regarded academic institutions on the map. So for those thousands of thousands of UK fans who honestly thought Ricky Hatton would win a fight with Floyd Jr. had to be bias because the UK academic system won't allow you to be dumb!:nono: I'm not sure how many real hardcore boxing fans thought Ricky would win. We gave him a chance. I think he deserved that. The guys who said Hatton would definetely win were silly.