Best Light Heavyweight

1. Calzaghe 2. Tarver 3. Dawson 4. Johnson Despite Dawson's poor performance I still think he beat Johnson that night. My excuse for his performance? Well when you change trainers FIVE times already in your career, thats what happens. Dawson really needs to stick with one trainer, he was doing good with Floyd Mayweather Sr, it's too bad he didn't like Sr's training methods.

You just killed your credibility throwing Addison's name in there. :nonono: Oh my god... I didn't even see that the first time. :nonono:

Have you ever observed slicksouthpaw16, Burner, Evil Meat, Queensdawg, Precision, Addison, DiegoFuego, Bad Barracuda, skillspaybills, Terrible, or natas206 post a single positive comment about anyone who isn't black? Lets be fair here - I never bash black fighters the way most of those guys bash white ones. You just killed your credibility throwing Addison's name in there. :nonono:

I think you'll find he also has had the IBF, WBC and WBA superchamp belts to hide behind at different points in his career! Everyone's record has a bit of padding, but you can never accuse Joe of running away from an opponent, he's gone toe to toe with guys in the final rounds of matches when he's been 5 or 6 rounds ahead, for all of Bernards great attributes the same can not be said of him, which is a damn shame. Maybe it is just me, but... Although it is exciting to see someone war it up in the 12th when they are up 9 rounds to 2, it is about as dumb as you can get when it comes to strategy. A close fight like De La Hoya-Trinidad, then it would have been a good idea, but when you are absolutely dominating the fight, it just doesn't make any sense to me. The good fights usually have two things: 1. Engagement 2. Competition If someone is up 5 or 6 rounds going into the 12th, it isn't going to be that great of a fight anyway, because it is clearly lacking competition.

And if Hopkins hid behind a WBO crap-strap for 10 years fighting the likes of Tokker Pudwell you'd be all over it like your Father at a gay bar. I think you'll find he also has had the IBF, WBC and WBA superchamp belts to hide behind at different points in his career! Everyone's record has a bit of padding, but you can never accuse Joe of running away from an opponent, he's gone toe to toe with guys in the final rounds of matches when he's been 5 or 6 rounds ahead, for all of Bernards great attributes the same can not be said of him, which is a damn shame.

Calzaghe easily

Have you ever observed slicksouthpaw16, Burner, Evil Meat, Queensdawg, Precision, Addison, DiegoFuego, Bad Barracuda, skillspaybills, Terrible, or natas206 post a single positive comment about anyone who isn't black? Lets be fair here - I never bash black fighters the way most of those guys bash white ones. Clearly a few of those do only talk about black fighters. I guess you are at a disadvantage because there are so few white fighters compared to black fighters in the upper section of the sport, because it is more obvious that you do it. While it is totally unjustified, it is easier to pick up on in your case.

I would have to say Chad. I think that the UK fighters really have weaker competition or else I would have chosen Joe

agreeed.. he sends me bad k because i disagree with one of his posts.. i have noticed that as well about the euro white thing.. good observation..

I voted for Pancho Villa

And if Hopkins hid behind a WBO crap-strap for 10 years fighting the likes of Tokker Pudwell you'd be all over it like your Father at a gay bar. It must be difficult for you to make your points without being a total asshole. :ugh:

They are right Tunney, you do talk almost exclusively about European guys, and they really do all seem to be white. I'm not calling you a racist, but that is just what I have observed in your posts.

Technically, but not at light heavy. Hop and Jones didn't fight at light heavy, neither did Hop and Johnson, hence the 1-1. Didn't you add the other weights to every other fighters totals though? Johnson 2-3: Jones - W Tarver - W Tarver - L Dawson - L ... It has to be Hopkins - L

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There are at least a dozen people on this site who never, NEVER post a positive comment about any European fighter. In fact, they constantly discredit them! Is that racist? Racism goes in different directions, watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oEhtQvvRwE&feature=related I'm not a racist. I like Shane Mosley, Joe Frazier, Suger Ray Leonard, George Foreman, Lamon Brewster, Monte Barrett, and Jermain Taylor. Wladimir Klitschko's best friend, Jonathan Banks, is one of the nicest guys in boxing, and I always root for him! I'm voting for Obama over McCain because he's easily the better man. i see where you coming from. but just to clear up i never called or reffered to you as a racist. nor do i think that you're one. it just came to my attention that you tend to favour Europeans over other races slightly too much. other than that i said you're a fair poster. i've seen quite a few racists on these forums and i wouldnt label you as one. im not sure how other people discredit guys like Klitschko or Calzaghe but for myslef i tell it like i see it. i dont look at colour or background, i look at how the guy fights and from there i base my opinion. furthermore i think calzaghe is good fighter, exciting to watch. but i wouldnt put him up the best light heavy out there now. he needs more than one fight. and boytsov needs to step it up. guys like Povetkin are moved much quicker than him and for good reasons btw the dude in the video was a complete scumbag, i hope he rots in hell

You need a sex change if you think Jolene "whipped" Hopkins.. Slapping at the air and running into counters is not laying down a whipping.. If Calzaghe pretended he got hit in the cherries so that he could have a bit of a break you would be all over it like flies over your mother.

You can't reason with that nazi.. All he sees is race.. i wouldnt call him nazi but i have to agree to an extent. he favours all the european guys and makes them look like Gods. furthermore he shows EXTREME biase towards european guys. it's also worth mentioning that on more than one occasion he voluntairly mentioned, without anyone asking him, how he's partly mixed russian and that's his origin. So who gives a shit what race he is? aparently he wants everyone to know. Him and Wlad Own are a little edgy and Tunney also called me stupid when i said Denis Botsov needs to start facing good opposition. that shows just what im talking about i havent seen Tunney show AS MUCH love to fighters of other races as he does to european fighters. it's not an accusation or an insult, it's just an observation

cause bhop whooped tarver who was the lineal champ and bhop whooped glen who made dawson look shit. Then comes calzaghe to whoop bhop who was the man at light heavy so there basically. b-hop beat glen johnson in 1997, 11 years later you think Glen Johnson is still the same green fighter? weak arguement yes tarver was the champ who beat a faded champ convincingly. but hopkins was way too experienced for tarver with 24 fights. he beat good fighters but i picked the seasoned veteran like hopkins to beat tarver. which is what pretty much happened but it's also same as saying that Roy Jones was the best heavyweight (many people said that) cuz he had one fight there and beat ruiz. that would make roy the best man next to a guy like Lennox Lewis cuz he beat a champ whom a guy like holyfield beat once in three fights??? joe needs to have more fights at 175 pounds against younger guys who can match his workrate and beat some legit champs of that division. then he'll be the best, now he's just a guy who beat a 43 year old Hall of Famer who probably wont fight again.....big deal good win but not the kind of win that gives you legit stats.

calzaghe just had one fight at 175 pounds. and it was against a 43 year old guy who had just 2 light heavyweight fights at that weight. all joe's other fights have been at 168 pounds. how does one fight at light heavyweight limit automaticly make him the best guy in the division? answer that please cause bhop whooped tarver who was the lineal champ and bhop whooped glen who made dawson look shit. Then comes calzaghe to whoop bhop who was the man at light heavy so there basically.

Easy question! Joe Calzaghe is the top light heavyweight. calzaghe just had one fight at 175 pounds. and it was against a 43 year old guy who had just 2 light heavyweight fights at that weight. all joe's other fights have been at 168 pounds. how does one fight at light heavyweight limit automaticly make him the best guy in the division? answer that please