If Floyd moved up to super-middleweight

Trust me, Calzaghe's punches will hurt and probably stop Floyd. Joe was hesitant to sit down on his punches against Hopkins after getting caught early. One thing I can guarantee 100% is that Joe would never knock Floyd out. Defense is too good and Joe isn't accurate enough with his fairy style. Would never happen. Mayweather has proven his defense to be too good for a slapper to ever knock him out or hurt him.

I'm not saying that. Personally I think Pavlik could give him a good beating yet I think he can beat Calzaghe. Pavlike is just all brute strength and just too much for Floyd. But Calzaghe, those slaps and that off balance style just wouldn't work. I wouldn't guarantee victory for Floyd but I could see him pulling off a 116-111 type decision with superior movement making it hard for Calzaghe to catch him clean and counter punching Joe all night. Trust me, Calzaghe's punches will hurt and probably stop Floyd. Joe was hesitant to sit down on his punches against Hopkins after getting caught early.

No but he needed a granite chin. Floyd's not god. He wont be able to roll and slip every significant punch. I'm not saying that. Personally I think Pavlik could give him a good beating yet I think he can beat Calzaghe. Pavlike is just all brute strength and just too much for Floyd. But Calzaghe, those slaps and that off balance style just wouldn't work. I wouldn't guarantee victory for Floyd but I could see him pulling off a 116-111 type decision with superior movement making it hard for Calzaghe to catch him clean and counter punching Joe all night.

Did James Toney need power to keep all the heavyweights he defeated off him? It's all skill. Floyd's punching power hasn't been a factor since 140lb. No but he needed a granite chin. Floyd's not god. He wont be able to roll and slip every significant punch.

168 would be way too far for mayweather. :sucks:

Spinks only stepped up from little middle to middle and Taylor was awful its not about overrating calzaghe i wouldn't give mayweather much chance against any of the top SMWs he's just to small and doesn't have massive power at WW so can't see him having the power to keep these much much bigger guys off him. Did James Toney need power to keep all the heavyweights he defeated off him? It's all skill. Floyd's punching power hasn't been a factor since 140lb.

I'll answer to a JOKE topic with a JOKE of myself thank you very much.

You guys are seriously overrating Joe Calzaghe. That 45-0 has made some people delusional like it's mission impossible for a smaller, very skilled fighter to go in there Cory Spinks Vs Jermain Taylor style and outbox the bigger lesser skilled fighter and win some sort of a decision. Spinks only stepped up from little middle to middle and Taylor was awful its not about overrating calzaghe i wouldn't give mayweather much chance against any of the top SMWs he's just to small and doesn't have massive power at WW so can't see him having the power to keep these much much bigger guys off him.

Duran the smaller guy moved up to middleweight and failed to beat Marvin Hagler because his usual stuff didn't work against a bigger fighter who happens to be great at that weight. Sugar Ray Leonard moved up and won a close disputed decision because he had the skills that Duran didn't. Never say Never. Leonard used the same strategy as Duran did against Marvin Hagler. Duran was actually ahead on points against Hagler after 12 rounds! Hagler catched up in the last 3 rounds though, the scorecards at the end of the fight read 144-142, 146-145 & 144-143, all for Hagler. Duran's downfall was the fact that Hagler was 4 years younger than against Leonard and that the fight was scheduled for 15 rounds. Leonard would've lost a 15 round fight as well. Hagler at 5'9, 160 lbs (never weighed any more than that) was also smaller than the 5'11, 168-175 lb Calzaghe (probably closer to 180 lbs in the ring) and Leonard was 5'10 with success at higher weights (held LMW, MW & SMW titles) unlike Mayweather who is 5'8 and started at SFW. Mayweather is smart enough not to pursue fights at MW against Pavlik and at SMW against Calzaghe although they could do great things for his legacy and his bank account (not that he is poor).

Calzaghe KO 1 Mayweather with the very first slap. Why do you keep responding with those lame one lineres? You're not contributing anything relevant. If it's a joke then it's a joke why keep acting up and getting all homotional?

Calzaghe KO 1 Mayweather with the very first slap.

All of the knowledgeable posters are disagreeing with you and most are even calling you an idiot. That has to tell you something. I knew that could be the case when I decided to make this thread. And there are a few knowledgable posters who also agree with me. Either way, it doesn't matter and I'm sticking to my guns.

This thread is stupid everybody knows that Joe Struggles to make 168 and couldn't get any lower than that so a catch weight fight cannot happen. At 168 Calzaghe would walk through Mayweathers shots and could land at will, Mayweather would not have the power to make any of his speed or other skills work in his favour. You guys are seriously overrating Joe Calzaghe. That 45-0 has made some people delusional like it's mission impossible for a smaller, very skilled fighter to go in there Cory Spinks Vs Jermain Taylor style and outbox the bigger lesser skilled fighter and win some sort of a decision.

You keep going on about "Joe's lack of skills, lack of power and unable to beat a 43year old" but can I ask..... Being 100% honest is Bernard the only Calzaghe fight you have ever seen?? If not which others because I wonder where what your basing your opinions on? I've seen pretty much all of his fights that were aired on showtime and HBO. I'm not impressed. He looked like Ray Leonard in there against a over muscular, less experienced title holder in Jeff Lacy. Good Victory but Lacy is not a great fighter. There is a reason why Calzaghe and his handlers kept him safe in Cardiff, Wales all these years, protecting him, fighting any C+ level fighter who was willing to come over. Lack of power = knocked down Eubank 2ce for only the 3rd and 4th time in his career KO'd the undefeated Viet in 1st round, More recently... knocked Lacy from pillar to post and put him on the canvas, Hurt Kessler with a big body shot. Wore down Hopkins with body shots that forced him to take 5min rests at the end of the fight. SO lack of power = WRONG! Lack of skills = has beaten MANY unbeaten fighters including former, current and future world champions. Could a slapper with no skill really do that over a 15year / 45fight career? Everyone loks bad against Hopkins but Calzaghe still hit him with more punches than anybody else has managed since Compubox started tracking fights! SO Lack of skills = WRONG! He wouldn't land any of that stuff on Mayweather that he landed on Eubank or Lacy. And he wouldn't outwork Mayweather the way he outworked Kessler and Hopkins. Floyd is a more elusive target, better defense and great counter punching. Calzaghe is already a off balance fighter, against Floyd he would look even more sloppy. As for him fighting Mayweather, that is a joke. Mayweather is the best p4p without a doubt but even he couldn't overcome a full blown Super Middle! It really is just fantasy! Floyd has handled 6 foot tall fighters before and he can handle Calzaghe. Styles make fights and Joe isn't anything that PBF couldn't handle. Never say Never. Floyd doesn't rely on strength to beat fighters, otherwise he wouldn't made it as far as jr.middleweight. He would have stayed at jr.welter where he belongs. Floyd transcends weight like James Toney.

How has he come to this conclusion when he wont even fight the next best fighter in his division - Cotto? :rofl: This topic is a joke, like all these Floyd fan boys.

Save me the education superior shit. If you're done then you're done, you didn't teach or convince anybody of anything. If anything I educated you. The points you tried to make are so flawed that you're giving me plenty of material to respond back to....like I did. Save face and quit since you've already said twice that you're done. All of the knowledgeable posters are disagreeing with you and most are even calling you an idiot. That has to tell you something.

Because it would be a career high payday and Joe is after the money right now. Because he would be motivated to give the P4P best fighter in the world his first loss. If Floyd offered Joe this fight at 162lb...........Joe would take it. This thread is stupid everybody knows that Joe Struggles to make 168 and couldn't get any lower than that so a catch weight fight cannot happen. At 168 Calzaghe would walk through Mayweathers shots and could land at will, Mayweather would not have the power to make any of his speed or other skills work in his favour.

HE WOULD GET:owned: !!!

I agree that a prime Bernard would have beaten Calzaghe, although you are forgetting the fact that this is a prime Hopkins. Naturally, Hopkins is 5 weight classes bigger than Mayweather. Again, Floyd started his career at super featherweight and Hopkins has been a middleweight for his entire career. He is better than Mayweather in a lot of areas as well. Hes a better thinker than Mayweather, more crafty, taller, longer reach, tougher, longevity ect. You cannot use him as a measuring stick. Size is the main factor and you are completely ignoring it. All of the guys that you named as examples were also bigger than Mayweather. You said Jones. Jones was always a middleweight throughout his career. You said Leonard, Ray started his career at welterweight and lots of power. A fighter can only travel up so many weight classes and still be effective. Again, Mayweather started at super featherweight and went up to junior middleweight and didn't look like much against a fighter that was 6 years past his prime, faded late in the fight and started at the exact same weight that he did. My point was that Calzaghe is a natural super middleweight and a lot bigger than Oscar. If Mayweather couldn't impose his style and barely avoiding being out muscled by Oscar, what would Calzaghe do? Who is a natural super middleweight, good puncher (the power would matter to Mayweather as he would be moving up) and has so many natural advantages. Volume punches is the style to beat a speedster and it would be easy for Calzaghe to beat a smaller speedster that didn't have the power to hurt him. You are making this fight seem like this is a pound for pound match up and ignoring the key points. Mayweather wouldn't have the same speed, same power, same stamina, same reflexes ect. There is just so many things that is wrong with this fight. Duran the smaller guy moved up to middleweight and failed to beat Marvin Hagler because his usual stuff didn't work against a bigger fighter who happens to be great at that weight. Sugar Ray Leonard moved up and won a close disputed decision because he had the skills that Duran didn't. Never say Never. Oscar was beating Mayweather handily before he gassed out. He was bringing educated pressure and fighting like he was the bigger man. He stopped using his jab and he gassed out, two things that a prime Oscar never did. The Oscar that beat Vargas beats Mayweather. He could fight for the full 12 with that same pace. Mayweather at any weight is giving up a size, reach and strength disadvantage against Oscar. Whitaker is a great fighter and even gave Trinidad slight problems. He is a southpaw as well, while Mayweather is orthodox and not as big as sweet pea and not as elusive. I am done here, i can't be bothered with any more of these posts. I'm not trying to own you or what ever, I'm trying to educate you here kid and you are just not listening. You make it seem like Floyd had nothing to do with taking away the jab and outpointing Oscar in the late rounds. Like he didn't have anything to do with taking over the late rounds against Judah. Funny how all these guys don't show up at their best once they step in the ring with Floyd. Floyd is just a greater fighter then Oscar. Save me the education superior shit. If you're done then you're done, you didn't teach or convince anybody of anything. If anything I educated you. The points you tried to make are so flawed that you're giving me plenty of material to respond back to....like I did. Save face and quit since you've already said twice that you're done.

Styles make fights. Oscar is a very skilled fighter. Joe Calzaghe couldn't land shit and had trouble against a 43 year old guy who had nothing left offensively. Floyd would land counters on Joe all night. The reach and height don't make a difference, Floyd has fought 6 foot tall guys before. A guy who comes straight ahead and punches like a fairy isn't guaranteed to beat a great smaller fighter with superior defense and offense. No guarantees either way. You can call it bias to make yourself feel better but that's how I see it. It's not a impossible task for Floyd. You keep going on about "Joe's lack of skills, lack of power and unable to beat a 43year old" but can I ask..... Being 100% honest is Bernard the only Calzaghe fight you have ever seen?? If not which others because I wonder where what your basing your opinions on? Lack of power = knocked down Eubank 2ce for only the 3rd and 4th time in his career KO'd the undefeated Viet in 1st round, More recently... knocked Lacy from pillar to post and put him on the canvas, Hurt Kessler with a big body shot. Wore down Hopkins with body shots that forced him to take 5min rests at the end of the fight. SO lack of power = WRONG! Lack of skills = has beaten MANY unbeaten fighters including former, current and future world champions. Could a slapper with no skill really do that over a 15year / 45fight career? Everyone loks bad against Hopkins but Calzaghe still hit him with more punches than anybody else has managed since Compubox started tracking fights! SO Lack of skills = WRONG! As for him fighting Mayweather, that is a joke. Mayweather is the best p4p without a doubt but even he couldn't overcome a full blown Super Middle! It really is just fantasy!