Bigger draw.....Mayweather/De La Hoya II or Mayweather/Cotto?????

Ok, i see what you are saying. :) Most people agree with you, so you proved your point. Congrats.

Hey, I totally agree with you. I think Floyd and Oscar deserve Jerks Of the Year for this rematch. It's complete bullshit. De La Hoya just has a disturbingly large number of fans who don't care one bit about Boxing, that's all I'm saying.. Like RDULS said; alot of those fairweather fans including some legitimate ones thought Oscar won, or could have won.. They might tune in just to see that fulfilled. The first fight was crap, but close. Ok, i see what you are saying. :)

I garuntee Mayweather / De La Hoya 2 does AT LEAST 1.4 million. Anyone that suggests Mayweather / Cotto outsells this fight is flat out delusional.

Who would want to see a repeat? Thats my point. Mayorga/De La Hoya did numbers but do you think that a rematch would have done as many or even half as many? No because the fans would already know what to expect. We have been down this road with all of the Mayweather/ De La Hoya hype and everything and we already know what to expect. What PPV rematch has Oscar done that had nearly the same amount of buys as the first fight? Hey, I totally agree with you. I think Floyd and Oscar deserve Jerks Of the Year for this rematch. It's complete bullshit. De La Hoya just has a disturbingly large number of fans who don't care one bit about Boxing, that's all I'm saying.. Like RDULS said; alot of those fairweather fans including some legitimate ones thought Oscar won, or could have won.. They might tune in just to see that fulfilled. The first fight was crap, but close.

All the good reasons in the world can't change reality. You honestly believe Mayweather/Cotto would outsell Mayweather/De La Hoya?? We don't even legitimately know what Floyd can do all by himself at this point.. This thread is a great points grab - I wish I thought of it - but the idea that anybody alive can outsell Oscar De La Hoya with the same dance partner is literally crazy. Oscar has more built in, automatic fans than the juiciest matchup in all of Boxing could even dream of producing otherwise. There is no other pairing in the sport that could approach the numbers De La Hoya could do fighting virtually anyone decent enough to create a PPV. That's how great of disparity we're talking about here.. Look at his numbers. Mayweather vs. De La Hoya crushes Cotto vs. De La Hoya. De La Hoya did 875,000 buys with fucking Ricardo Mayorga! This is the kind of poll that is going to make outsiders wonder about us.. :ugh: Who would want to see a repeat? Thats my point. Mayorga/De La Hoya did numbers but do you think that a rematch would have done as many or even half as many? No because the fans would already know what to expect. We have been down this road with all of the Mayweather/ De La Hoya hype and everything and we already know what to expect. What PPV rematch has Oscar done that had nearly the same amount of buys as the first fight?

This post explains everything that i am talking about. All the good reasons in the world can't change reality. You honestly believe Mayweather/Cotto would outsell Mayweather/De La Hoya?? We don't even legitimately know what Floyd can do all by himself at this point.. This thread is a great points grab - I wish I thought of it - but the idea that anybody alive can outsell Oscar De La Hoya with the same dance partner is literally crazy. Oscar has more built in, automatic fans than the juiciest matchup in all of Boxing could even dream of producing otherwise. There is no other pairing in the sport that could approach the numbers De La Hoya could do fighting virtually anyone decent enough to create a PPV. That's how great of disparity we're talking about here.. Look at his numbers. Mayweather vs. De La Hoya crushes Mayweather vs. Cotto. De La Hoya did 875,000 buys with fucking Ricardo Mayorga! De La Hoya's 17 fights on HBO PPV have generated 10.4 million buys and $492 million in revenue. He is primed to surpass Tyson and Holyfield as boxing's biggest attraction, period. This is the kind of poll that is going to make outsiders wonder about us.. :ugh:

I think since so many people were dissapointed about the first DLH v. Mayweather fight the Cotto one would do more. You have both who are undefeated.. Both coming off of career high wins. You have a fighters fighter fighting a boxing technician. You have a fight that has been hyped and brewing for months that every boxing fanatic wants to see. You have Miguel Cotto who has a very large Latin fan base both in the U.S.A. and the Carribean. You have Mayweather who is now a semi-household name do the DLH fight and then not so much but still Ricky Hatton. If they market this fight like the Hatton v. Mayweather or DLH v. Mayweather I believe it does better numbers. The casual fans will remember how the first DLH v Mayweather didn't live up to the hype and won't buy it.. This is something new and exciting. All you have to do is play the Ricky Hatton KO over and over and Miguel Cotto destroying practically everybody they put in front of him and it will be sold! This post explains everything that i am talking about.

Actual receipts? Mayweather/De La Hoya II. I'm assuming that would be the only point of this question.

Give Mayweather/Cotto the promotion, hype and build up the way they did the Mayweather/Hatton or the Mayweather/De La Hoya fight and you have a mega event that would be huge. It would be the only super fight that Mayweather did that would actually be even and both guys are fighting at their proper weight. Cotto is better known in the US than Hatton is so he is the bigger draw. Grandmothers at the barbershop that i go to once a month talk about this possible match up and we always discuss it.

see your missing the point. Us hardcore fans, BELIEVE YOU, were with you... Its the casual fans that DONT see what you see.. They dont KNOW cotto... they KNOW de la hoya My grandmother knows oscar de la hoya.. she does not know miguel cotto... We all know cotto floyd is a BETTER FIGHT... but its not a better draw ... as in TOTAL people who will order the fight... Cotto mosley did 350k Floyd oscar did 2.15 MILLION Do you see the ridiculous difference here? even if 75% of the people that watched the 1st fight... dont order the 2nd fight, itll STILL sell almost double what cotto mosley did... because the casual fans... I know girls that buy oscar fights because they think hes hot.... oscar is MONEY... cotto isnt there yet... only to the hardcore boxing fan I think a lot of the people that voted cotto mayweather voted thinking its the better fight... not the better draw.. as in ppv revenue... oscar can fight a punching bag and itll do a million ppv buys... throw the best fighter in the world in the ring with him.. and watch historic numbers.... especially when the 1st fight was the closest floyd has ever come to losing. Cotto mosley did 350k Where is the source for this at...?? If you have i would love it...:boxing:

I would definitely say cotto and mayweather. dlh and mayweather has already been. i honestly that the rematch will have the same outcome. whats gonna beat oscar is the same thing that beat him last time, stamina. he will tire out and floyd will capitialize on that. cotto will present a better challenge since he is young, a good boxer, good power, and has great stamina. if mayweather doesnt fight cotto after hes done with mayweather, i would say hes ducking him. sorry floyd fans, its just how i feel see your missing the point. Us hardcore fans, BELIEVE YOU, were with you... Its the casual fans that DONT see what you see.. They dont KNOW cotto... they KNOW de la hoya My grandmother knows oscar de la hoya.. she does not know miguel cotto... We all know cotto floyd is a BETTER FIGHT... but its not a better draw ... as in TOTAL people who will order the fight... Cotto mosley did 350k Floyd oscar did 2.15 MILLION Do you see the ridiculous difference here? even if 75% of the people that watched the 1st fight... dont order the 2nd fight, itll STILL sell almost double what cotto mosley did... because the casual fans... I know girls that buy oscar fights because they think hes hot.... oscar is MONEY... cotto isnt there yet... only to the hardcore boxing fan I think a lot of the people that voted cotto mayweather voted thinking its the better fight... not the better draw.. as in ppv revenue... oscar can fight a punching bag and itll do a million ppv buys... throw the best fighter in the world in the ring with him.. and watch historic numbers.... especially when the 1st fight was the closest floyd has ever come to losing.

to the hardcore boxing fans? mayweather vs. cotto. to general fans (all boxing fans in the world including casual fans) mayweather v. de la hoya. With the casual fans you will do better numbers because de la hoya and mayweather are two big NAMES...it would be known as the de la hoya/floyd mayweather fight...(or in this case rematch). to the casual fans cotto v. mayweather would be; "a mayweather fight against some guy" (basically). more would pay (casual fans) to see two big names they know rather than pay for mayweather to fight someone they never heard of or barely heard of but probably never seen fight... to the hardcore fans cotto v. mayweather would come close to making their year probably in terms of who they want to see mayweather fight...hardcore fans dont really want to tune in (and spend $50+) to see mayweather fight someone they are about 99% sure he will win...only reason they do is because they couldnt stand to NOT see it when the rest of the world is... to the hardcore fans mayweather v. cotto (at the moment at least...or unless cotto loses) is the fight...cotto right now is appearing to be the "guy" in the welterweight division to give mayweather his toughest challenge (over guys like quintana or cintron)... Im sure the casual fans would rather see mayorga v. mayweather at 154 because mayorga is a decent sized NAME... i personally though am in favor of the de la hoya rematch AND the cotto fight...if i could only pick one i'd rather see the cotto fight...the only reason im interested in the rematch is because oscar came close last time and was one round away from a draw and two away from a win...closer than anyone else has gotten... but for me cotto v. mayweather is the bigger deal fight to me (as a fan)... to the casual fans its de la hoya v. mayweather... plain and simple. I was gonna respond.... but he already said it all.

to the hardcore boxing fans? mayweather vs. cotto. to general fans (all boxing fans in the world including casual fans) mayweather v. de la hoya. With the casual fans you will do better numbers because de la hoya and mayweather are two big NAMES...it would be known as the de la hoya/floyd mayweather fight...(or in this case rematch). to the casual fans cotto v. mayweather would be; "a mayweather fight against some guy" (basically). more would pay (casual fans) to see two big names they know rather than pay for mayweather to fight someone they never heard of or barely heard of but probably never seen fight... to the hardcore fans cotto v. mayweather would come close to making their year probably in terms of who they want to see mayweather fight...hardcore fans dont really want to tune in (and spend $50+) to see mayweather fight someone they are about 99% sure he will win...only reason they do is because they couldnt stand to NOT see it when the rest of the world is... to the hardcore fans mayweather v. cotto (at the moment at least...or unless cotto loses) is the fight...cotto right now is appearing to be the "guy" in the welterweight division to give mayweather his toughest challenge (over guys like quintana or cintron)... Im sure the casual fans would rather see mayorga v. mayweather at 154 because mayorga is a decent sized NAME... i personally though am in favor of the de la hoya rematch AND the cotto fight...if i could only pick one i'd rather see the cotto fight...the only reason im interested in the rematch is because oscar came close last time and was one round away from a draw and two away from a win...closer than anyone else has gotten... but for me cotto v. mayweather is the bigger deal fight to me (as a fan)... to the casual fans its de la hoya v. mayweather... plain and simple. What happened in the first fight that would convince the fans to watch the rematch? Nothing really, the fight was exposed for being nothing more than hype. Honestly, the build up to the fight was better than the fight itself. Now we have already been through and seen all of the De La Hoya/Mayweather series and the hype and now its time to move on. Its just so predictable now. You will not know what will happen with the Mayweather/Cotto fight. People want to see two unbeaten fighters that are in their prime, not a promoter/businessman that is only interested in making money and fighting past his prime. Mayweather and Oscar is only worried about getting big paydays and the fans know that. Now if you said that the first Mayweather/De La Hoya fight would do more numbers than Cotto/Mayweather then i would have to agree as of this moment. The same result will happen in the rematch, but with Mayweather winning in a more decisive fashion.

Originally Posted by slicksouthpaw16 Mayweather vs Cotto brings to the table..... 2 unbeaten fighters Two pound for pound champions An even 50/50 match Excitement The best fight and draw in boxing A career defining fight for both fighters Mega payday for both fighters ....... was that not hatton mayweather.. Hatton more known than cotto was thanks to the 24/7 but then i dont live in america i dont really know how high cotto's profile is. The thing that is missing is both fighters fighting in their proper weight division. Cotto is the man at welterweight and has beaten the better line of fighters in that division. When Hatton came up to welterweight, in reality he was beaten by Louis Collozo and exposed for not knowing how to deal with boxer/movers. Cotto is a fight that would be even and i don't think that there would be a favorite in that fight. Cotto has never been exposed for a weakness in welterweight.

How is Mayweather-Cotto winning this poll? Mayweather-Cotto is 100x a better matchup than Mayweather-DLH 2, but it doesn't mean it's a bigger "draw" or "money fight". DLH is much more popular and known than Cotto. thats exactly what I was wondering. most ppl didn't understand the question I guess.

remember.. this is to the CASUAL fan... cotto mayweather is more important to the forum... but de la hoya mayweather is known to more people I think a lot of people will vote for cotto floyd because they want that fight.. but not realizing that the casual fans are what make up most of the revenue for fights... and the casual fan knows oscar 45x more than cotto nothing more needs to be said. that is about as clear cut as it gets.

OMG the amount of idiots on this website... Every poster on this website knows Cotto. Now how about you go out get a life and when you talk to people who dont post on this forum who Cotto is? Count. now SHUT THE FUCK UP and regret voting like idiots.

Originally Posted by slicksouthpaw16 Mayweather vs Cotto brings to the table..... 2 unbeaten fighters Two pound for pound champions An even 50/50 match Excitement The best fight and draw in boxing A career defining fight for both fighters Mega payday for both fighters ....... was that not hatton mayweather.. Hatton more known than cotto was thanks to the 24/7 but then i dont live in america i dont really know how high cotto's profile is.

I would definitely say cotto and mayweather. dlh and mayweather has already been. i honestly that the rematch will have the same outcome. whats gonna beat oscar is the same thing that beat him last time, stamina. he will tire out and floyd will capitialize on that. cotto will present a better challenge since he is young, a good boxer, good power, and has great stamina. if mayweather doesnt fight cotto after hes done with mayweather, i would say hes ducking him. sorry floyd fans, its just how i feel

I made this argument before.. While Floyd vs. Cotto right now will be a good Fight (i would like too see it) It wouldn’t be as big De La Hoya and it wouldnt be as Great as it could of been if Cotto would have gotten to 2other belts Floyd vs. De La Hoya Last fight Numbers: 2.15 P.P.V Combined Even if half those People dont buy that fight this time it would still do better than what Floyd vs. Cotto right now would do... Floyd is Spoiled Now, He is not fighting in anything less than Events from now on....and his last 2 fights have been Events to not just the Boxing World but for the Sport and Entertainment world... Look how much Promoting Floyd had to do for the Hatton FIGHT.... "Dancing with the Stars" Look what he is doing for the next De La Hoya Fight "WrestleMania" Now what do you think he is going to have to do for the Cotto fight if he chooses to fight him right now... "American Idol"...??? Sorry Cotto Fans, Floyd is not going to do anything special for the Cotto and Arum to build this fight Floyd is expecting Cotto and Arum to do something Special to build this fight Simply because he does not like Arum .. And that something Special is Getting those other 2 belts..So it can make up for Cotto not having the personality to be a mainstream Attraction .... Cotto is not a Draw outside of Boxing Yet so he has no choice but to get those belts to fight Floyd or become a mainstream Attraction...And Floyd knows Cotto doesnt have a personality so the only option Cotto has is to become GREAT. and get those 2 belts.!!!... This is what I have been trying to say forever... Cotto Stock isnt high enough to really convince Floyd and the Public that this could be a big event... While Not Bigger than Floyd vs. De La Hoya II No matter how we argue. at the end of the day Cotto or Floyd is not bigger than De La Hoya.... Floyd is getting there.... But Cotto is no where near it... The Logic: It's like this Cotto need to build his name up without Floyd Before he can even he can begin negotiations with Floyd... It more like saying you want to bet me some money on a fight but when I ask where is the money you want to bet me, you say I will show you the money after the fight...??? And naturally I tell you no show me the money right now or no bet.... and we end up not betting because you didnt have the money. The point is Cotto doesnt have the money to bet... And You can’t begin negotiations unless you have something to negotiate with....! And Cotto doesnt have enough to negotiate with... Not more than De La Hoya Cotto needs to raise his Stock.... This the best i can explain this...! :boxing: People who are voting For Cotto vs. PBF are Basically saying that Cotto is bigger than De La Hoya..