Where do you rank Calzaghe Pound 4 Pound

he's 2 or 3 nuttin less! but after april 19th he'll fall and Bernard will take his spot!:boxing:

Because you can't name 10 fighters better than him, plain and simple. End of story. Please counter my arguments.

Thanks again for the insults, but I won't be drawn out to "name your top 10" or "name this and that". If you want to make a case for Calzaghe, state it. It's pretty simple. I have already stated my case against. If you want to argue against my statements, try to counter them. Because you can't name 10 fighters better than him, plain and simple. End of story.

Okay Einstein, what is your top 10 p4p? This ought to be good. Thanks again for the insults, but I won't be drawn out to "name your top 10" or "name this and that". If you want to make a case for Calzaghe, state it. It's pretty simple. I have already stated my case against. If you want to argue against my statements, try to counter them.

I guess I'm one of those "idiots". Okay Einstein, what is your top 10 p4p? This ought to be good.

I guess I'm one of those "idiots".

Does anyone know his ranking before he fought Kessler? I'm curious how big a jump beating Kessler supposedly should earn Cal.

Not top 10. He hasn't fought many "very good" fighters, hasn't fought a Hall of Famer, defeated Mitchell when Mitchell was coming from a loss (and almost did the same against R.Reid, which had lost, then won, then faced Calzaghe -who could only pull a SD). I don't think people would have called Yory Boy Campas a top 10 pound for pound fighter before he fought Trinidad, even though he had an amazing record. But of course, most of his fights had been in Mexico. I know that, contrary to Campas, Calzaghe is the champion, but I do think that the comparison applies, albeit to a much lesser extent. I was wondering who the two idiots were that had him outside of the top 10. You don't have an alt by chance?

Out of curiosity, where do you rank Calzaghe in the top 10? I would put him 2nd or 3rd, it's a tough choice between him and Pac.

I like him at 3 behind Mayweather and Pac.......

He was the champ, so he was able to make the challengers go to him - and why not i ask? In the last 10 years he's beaten all of the best fighters in his division, european AND american, i don't see why it matters where he has done it. Out of curiosity, where do you rank Calzaghe in the top 10?

He was the champ, so he was able to make the challengers go to him - and why not i ask? In the last 10 years he's beaten all of the best fighters in his division, european AND american, i don't see why it matters where he has done it. It matters that he has not faced the likes of Hopkins, Tarver, Jones, Johnson. Are some of them heavier than him? Yes. That's what P4P is about, and making a little more or a little less weight has not been out of Calzaghe's reach. And I have not gone into being American or not, but fighting in the USA, which is very different. Most important championship fights are fought in USA, regardless of race or origin of boxers. And it does matter, because if you want to fight top opposition, you move to the place that harbors top opposition. Like Morales and Barrera, who both are Mexicans, but their wars were fought in USA. The best boxing tends to be fought in the USA, regardless if they boxers are American or not. Mayweather fought at 130,140,147,154. I don't think he has always faced the toughest opposition around, but he has faced tough guys. He has proven he's a P4P kind of guy. So did Roy Jones in the past. Calzaghe's pedigree doesn't come close to that. What HOF has he defeated? What great fighters has he defeated?

You do realize that when I say that, I said it in order to be economical. "Europe is a continent of 50 countries and 800 million people" Well, if I'm not mistaken, he has fought once in Germany, and once in Denmark. Then all of his fights in the United Kingdom. He was the champ, so he was able to make the challengers go to him - and why not i ask? In the last 10 years he's beaten all of the best fighters in his division, european AND american, i don't see why it matters where he has done it.

You do realize that when I say that, I said it in order to be economical. "Europe is a continent of 50 countries and 800 million people" Well, if I'm not mistaken, he has fought once in Germany, and once in Denmark. Then all of his fights in the United Kingdom.

Maybe, maybe not. Care to elaborate? I do think that the fact that the guy has never fought outside of Europe, and rarely out of UK, hurts your point. That's why I compare him, to an extent, with Campas, who had fought almost exclusively in Mexico (he had a couple of USA fights) before he stepped up and fought Trinidad in the USA. In no way I am trying to say that Calzaghe is a bad fighter, it's just that I can't see how he's been put in the top 3 P4P by some people where I don't think he should be even considered for top 10 because of the points I already covered. Europe is a continent of 50 countries and 800 million people, it's quite conceivable that a man could be a good champion without ever leaving, while fighting good opposition - he fought the best in his division, just because he didn't do it in America we shouldn't take anything away from him.

Solid 2. Floyd has 1 w/o doubt. Manny has 3.

Maybe, maybe not. Care to elaborate? I do think that the fact that the guy has never fought outside of Europe, and rarely out of UK, hurts your point. That's why I compare him, to an extent, with Campas, who had fought almost exclusively in Mexico (he had a couple of USA fights) before he stepped up and fought Trinidad in the USA. In no way I am trying to say that Calzaghe is a bad fighter, it's just that I can't see how he's been put in the top 3 P4P by some people where I don't think he should be even considered for top 10 because of the points I already covered.

i have him at 3, he's at 2 if Pac loses to JMM

Oh, and before the comparisons start against other young top 10 P4P fighters, Calzaghe has been a champion for more than 10 years. He's had more than enough time to face top, HOF caliber opposition. He's not an up and coming fighter who is starting to make his mark. Just my non hateful opinion. How when none of then wanted to fight some kid that no one heard of when the kid could beat them? None of the HOF guys wanted to fight him, to dangerous for too little reward

Oh, and before the comparisons start against other young top 10 P4P fighters, Calzaghe has been a champion for more than 10 years. He's had more than enough time to face top, HOF caliber opposition. He's not an up and coming fighter who is starting to make his mark. Just my non hateful opinion.