..Top 5 'Ducks' Currently Happening...

THe_TRiNiTY18y ago

First and foremost, let me say that I'm not calling these DUCKS, in the sense of the person being afraid of the other person. Perhaps they are and perhaps they aren't. Don't know, not for me to decide. These are just the top five fights I want to see and one of the fighters involved is stopping it from happening due to SOMETHING. So, without further ado, in order of how big the duckage (lol) is to me. 1. Ricky Hatton d/ Junior Witter Reasons For Duckage: Ricky seems to be fishing for reasons to duck Witter. First, he used the idea that he WANTED the fight, and ordered Warren to make the fight happen. It somehow never got made and they didn't fight for a while. That's reasonable. What isn't reasonable is NOW claiming that he has TWO reasons NOT to fight Junior. His first reason being that he doesn't think that enough peole in America care about Witter. Hsi second reason being that he doesn't want to help a person who has been 'slagging' on him for so long. No reward for bad behavior, I guess. Problems with the arguments are; He says the viable comment, right around the same time he mentions his next opponents. Two of the frontrunners being the megastars Juan Lazcano and Kendall Holt. Decent fighters, but not on the level of Witter, in my opinion. Furthermore, it'd be a HUGE fight in the U.K. The problem with his second excuse is that he had a slight case of the same thing with Mayweather. But even if you take that part out... Wouldn't you WANT to fight the guy who talks that much shit, just as a man? Significance: It would pit the TRUE world junior-welterweight against the number one contender. Both hold belts, so it could clean up a bit of the mess. Also, it sells the most, if done the right way. It's a fight that should happen, for the sake of the 140 pound division. 2. Floyd Mayweather d/ Miguel Cotto Reasons For Duckage: Mayweather only wants big money fights. Hence the reason he's going forward with this dumbass rematch with De La Hoya. He isn't QUITE there, in terms of selling his brand, with some no-namer. He still has that ONE wall to break thru. I'm sure he would hate to slip u, right on the brink of HUGE success. The problem with this is that, Cotto is that wall. He needs Cotto. I do think this rematch does ONE thing. It allows Cotto to fight once in twice in between and get even MORE popular if he can keep winning. If he gets passed Gomez, and then Margarito, beating two solid Mexican fighters, he has a lot more fans. Puerto Rican AND Mexican. Fans in general. If Mayweather beats De La Hoya, in a BIT more entertaining fashion, the fight with him and Cotto sells VERY well at that point. The question is, will Mayweather take it THEN. He claims that Cotto isn't big enough, which may be technically true, but this could still make HIM bigger, and he fails to see that. Significance: Much like the Hatton/Witter situation, it pits the TRUE champion of the division against his number one contender. Both fighters undefeated and in the primes, holding titles in the 147 category. In all realistic views, this fight can be HUGE in 2009. No reason for it not to have been signed in 2008, though. 3. Manny Pacquiao/Bob Arum d/ Joan Guzman Reasons For Duckage: I wont shoulder this one on Manny entirely. Although, as the man (basically) at 130 pounds, he should be facing the toughest challenges. The problem is REALLY Arum. he's a stronghold on the 3 most exciting fighters in the game right now. One is Pavlik, the other is Cotto and the last one is "Pacman." He doesn't want to lose a peice of his triangle offense, so to speak. Although, I doubt a loss would really damage Pacquaio's image, especially the way it would come IF Guzman beat him, which I think would be by decision, if at all. The problem is that, IF Joan is at his best, he COULD, REALLY expose Manny. He's that good at his best. I can see why Arum wouldn't be SO fast to sign the fight. Significance: With no TRUE champion at the weight, the default "people's champ" title, goes to Manny. He's fighting his mandatory, and it will crown the champ, when he faces Juan Manuel Marquez. If Pacquiao is to win, his true challenger would be Guzman. The way it looks though, that PROBABLY wont happen. 4. Kermit Cintron d/ Paul Williams Reasons For Duckage: Now, the duckage might not look as bad. Cintron, however, did seem a little to comfortable with getting out of his deal with Williams. Whats worse is that he then immediately went on to sign for a fight with the guy who LOST to Williams. He claimed it was an injury to his hand, but even Calzaghe, with all his injuries, would generally POSTPONE his fights. Not call them off altogether. Now that Williams has lost to Quintana, Cintron and his supporters may claim that with Manny, he could have had the movement and power to help him beat a limited fighter like Williams. I may agree. What I don't agree with is, talking a big game, and not trying to prove it. Significance: It was a nice fight for a couple of welterweight titles. The winner got a step closer to unifying the division scraps and would have became the number three guy in the 147 pound class. Now, we get the Margarito-Cintron rematch, and Williams has to rebound, most likely at 154. 5. Gerry Penalso/Daniel Ponce De Leon, Ducking eachother. Reasons For Duckage: For De Leon, I think he's trying to be a bit careful. He won a CLOSE/CONTROVERSIAL decision in their first go-around. Then, he goes on to blow out a prospect and struggle against a limited opponent in his most recent fight. Could be a sign that he's fading. Even if that's only PARTIALLY true, that isn't a good sig against a slick boxer like Penalosa. However, he was willing to take the fight for the right amount of money. Penalosa is an aging champion, and a lot of his legacy rides on his last big fight. He's coming off a big win, and it'd be a shame for him to lose his very next big fight. He has A LOT to lose in defeat, and he's also the smaller guy in this one. However, he gets the "duck" tag, due to the fact that he was all for the fight a year or so ago, and has yet to real step up and force the fight to happen. Significance: Not much, for the sport overall, but to the two guys involved, it could answer a lot of questions and would help them cement a certain part of their careers. It's also a nice classic matchup of the classic puncher version the slick boxer. These are just my opinions, remember. I'm not calling ANY of these guys cowards or pussies. They have their reasons, and I can even see the point to a lot of them. I'm just stating that I wish these fights would happen, and one of the guys involved (or both) are stopping it from happening. Not politics, and I hope that they get made. Thoughts? Other 'ducks' you see that should have made the list? Post it up....

Comments (20)

Fox_McCloud

Well good fucking job Nostradamus... you, unlike every single other post in this thread had the advantage of posting AFTER Bradley beat Witter. Even though Mayweather-Cotto is the most important fight that can be made right now, it has only been at the forefront since 11-10-07, when Cotto beat Mosley. Before that, he was one of many possible opponents for Mayweather. After, he is the ONLY one that matters. Hatton-Witter had been brewing since before Hatton Tszyu.

18y ago

BabyFaceAssasin

What are people on this site really that ignorant???!!!! Am I the only person who watches and understands Boxing??? What in the hell is this twilight zone I'm living in!!!!! The biggest duck going on is clearly Floyd ducking Cotto!!!! I mean heeeeelllllllllooooooo does anyone not understand the importance of this fight. I can't believe I even have to explain this. Did anyone not see what Bradley did to Witter. Bradley C-class American Witter overrated British fighter....who cares about Hatton-Witter!!!!????? WHO CARES!!!? Floyd-Cotto is what everyone should be screaming for instead it's some fight between two overrated bums that would lose to Floyd or Cotto at the same time. I can't believe this is even an arguement.

18y ago

Degsy

I don't care if Hatton ever fights Witter, but if I'm being honest that is the correct answer. Their paths should have crossed by now. Yep, should have fought. I'm a bit disappointed in Ricky, I would have thought the money would pale into insignificance to the satisfaction of making Witter eat his words??? Shame, it would have been a good fight - I'm hoping common sense will prevail

18y ago

Scott9945

I don't care if Hatton ever fights Witter, but if I'm being honest that is the correct answer. Their paths should have crossed by now.

18y ago

NYCHeavyHitz

If anyone votes for Mayweather ducking Cotto over Hatton ducking Witter then they really show a lack of boxing knowledge. I dont even need to vote, We all KNOW who the P4P biggest Ducker is at the moment and its definitely Hatton. Ducking for 8years and counting his different from Ducking for 2 months(Last Mayweather fight). I agree, even though I picked Mayweather Cotto. I think Hatton's ducking all 140 champs. I want him to fight Malignaggi.

18y ago

NYCHeavyHitz

Gotta Go for Mi Bandera... Pacman Ducks Guzman Dominicano here too, but Mayweather ducks Cotto.

18y ago

Ray

18y ago

THe_TRiNiTY

yeah, just a matter of time. I really hope you're wrong and Hatton is not going to fight those bums because im a big fan of his. I'm a fan of both Hatton AND Mayweather. I hope they both fight the big fights.

18y ago

BmoreBrawler

Well.. you're a fun debate and you're entitled to your opinion. I guess we'll have to wait and see. yeah, just a matter of time. I really hope you're wrong and Hatton is not going to fight those bums because im a big fan of his.

18y ago

BmoreBrawler

Hatton's career was just one big tune up for the Mayweather fight. He needs to stop with the tune ups and step up to some real fighters. This guy would be an ESPN2 FNF club fighter if he was American. What if he was a mexican? a WHITE mexican, even?

18y ago

Fox_McCloud

Pacquiao is a superstar and a big threat, its a fight that needs to be made just like Hatton/Mayweather. Hatton is coming off a loss, which is why it is OK for him to fight a tuneup before fighting BIGGER AND BETTER opponents than Witter. If he does move on to fight those other bums, then I will agree with you. I dont think that Hatton's past fights taken in place of witter prove ducking. I dont think size matters in the mayweather scenario. Its like saying it would be OK for Ibragimov to fight Golota because Golota is bigger. It's not like the Witter fight just came on the radar though... it's been there for a long time.

18y ago

niceguy45

hatton mayweather jones jr cotto cintron

18y ago

Hyperion

hugman vs witty

18y ago

THe_TRiNiTY

Pacquiao is a superstar and a big threat, its a fight that needs to be made just like Hatton/Mayweather. Hatton is coming off a loss, which is why it is OK for him to fight a tuneup before fighting BIGGER AND BETTER opponents than Witter. If he does move on to fight those other bums, then I will agree with you. I dont think that Hatton's past fights taken in place of witter prove ducking. I dont think size matters in the mayweather scenario. Its like saying it would be OK for Ibragimov to fight Golota because Golota is bigger. Well.. you're a fun debate and you're entitled to your opinion. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

18y ago

BmoreBrawler

That Margarito duck was bad, however it's a bit removed from the CURRENT situation in boxing. Nonetheless, we can agree on that. Nonetheless, he's LITERALLY staying where he's AT if he fights Manny or Juan, both SMALLER guys. Manny lsot power moving up to 130. Imagine what happens at 140? Juan just doesn't HAVE power. Holt? Lazcano? Not such GREAT matchups. I'd rather watch De La Hoya/Mayweather II, then either of those fights. Honestly. Mayweather isn't stepping down, he's stepping back. Which is why I think it's a bad move and a duck. Regardless, it's still a LITERALLY, BIGGER guy. And atleast he's being truthful about it being a BIGGER fight, at the moment. Hatton/Lazcano isn't bigger than Hatton/Witter. If Hatton fights Torres of Paulie, I'd have him and Mayweather in a tie for bad ducks. But he has A LOT of shit matchups he's thinking about. Holt, Lazcano, a Japenese guy I don't even remember the name of. Sounds shit to me. Keep in mind, both Cotto and Mayweather have had big moves happening without eachother. It's only since NOVEMBER at the earliest that the fight made PERFECT sense. Witter/Hatton has been happening since Hatton started to blow up. BIG DIFFERENCE. Pacquiao is a superstar and a big threat, its a fight that needs to be made just like Hatton/Mayweather. Hatton is coming off a loss, which is why it is OK for him to fight a tuneup before fighting BIGGER AND BETTER opponents than Witter. If he does move on to fight those other bums, then I will agree with you. I dont think that Hatton's past fights taken in place of witter prove ducking. I dont think size matters in the mayweather scenario. Its like saying it would be OK for Ibragimov to fight Golota because Golota is bigger.

18y ago

THe_TRiNiTY

Its very convenient to ignore who the alternatives are. Mayweather is ducking his #1 contender for an old businessman he already beat. Hatton is ducking his #1 contender for other champions(Malinaggi, Juan Diaz, Pacquiao, etc). Hatton is trying to step up, Mayweather is stepping down. If he fights Lazcano, it could be ducking unless he signs a bigger fight soon after. IF. Still, what mayweather did to Margarito was even worse, considering Margarito was less of a bitch. Mayweather has already committed his crimes. That Margarito duck was bad, however it's a bit removed from the CURRENT situation in boxing. Nonetheless, we can agree on that. Nonetheless, he's LITERALLY staying where he's AT if he fights Manny or Juan, both SMALLER guys. Manny lsot power moving up to 130. Imagine what happens at 140? Juan just doesn't HAVE power. Holt? Lazcano? Not such GREAT matchups. I'd rather watch De La Hoya/Mayweather II, then either of those fights. Honestly. Mayweather isn't stepping down, he's stepping back. Which is why I think it's a bad move and a duck. Regardless, it's still a LITERALLY, BIGGER guy. And atleast he's being truthful about it being a BIGGER fight, at the moment. Hatton/Lazcano isn't bigger than Hatton/Witter. If Hatton fights Torres of Paulie, I'd have him and Mayweather in a tie for bad ducks. But he has A LOT of shit matchups he's thinking about. Holt, Lazcano, a Japenese guy I don't even remember the name of. Sounds shit to me. Keep in mind, both Cotto and Mayweather have had big moves happening without eachother. It's only since NOVEMBER at the earliest that the fight made PERFECT sense. Witter/Hatton has been happening since Hatton started to blow up. BIG DIFFERENCE.

18y ago

Pico_Hollywood

What is the name of the movie that GIF is from? You put some nice broads in your avatar too because the in there now :hitit: The movie is Called OldBoy

18y ago

tredh

Gotta Go for Mi Bandera... Pacman Ducks Guzman What is the name of the movie that GIF is from? You put some nice broads in your avatar too because the in there now :hitit:

18y ago

BmoreBrawler

So.. Here's the situation. A champion, ducking his number one contender. That applies ot both ducking cases. One just has a history and is coming from someone who said he would fight ANYONE. I guess if Mayweather ducks someone, he is a coward. If Hatton does it, it's smart. At one point, allegedly, both Witter AND Hatton wanted the fight. Now, Hatton seems a bit timid. The money issue isn't important. If he beat him in his homecoming fight, in the U.K. on HBO TV, I doubt it gets any less views then Hatton/Lazcano gets, which is being talked about. That's a lame ass excuse. Its very convenient to ignore who the alternatives are. Mayweather is ducking his #1 contender for an old businessman he already beat. Hatton is ducking his #1 contender for other champions(Malinaggi, Juan Diaz, Pacquiao, etc). Hatton is trying to step up, Mayweather is stepping down. If he fights Lazcano, it could be ducking unless he signs a bigger fight soon after. IF. Still, what mayweather did to Margarito was even worse, considering Margarito was less of a bitch. Mayweather has already committed his crimes.

18y ago

Pico_Hollywood

The only ones I really see as ducking are the first two. Of those, Mayweather ducking Cotto is much worse. I think you are a very intelligent poster, but The Mayweather/Cotto ordeal has only be going on since December, Hatton Ducking Witter has been going on much longer..

18y ago