Hopkins Vs Calzaghe Resumes Compared

Hopkins has been beat by: A Nobody Roy Jones Jr Jermain Taylor Jeramin Taylor Calzaghe has been beat by: .... No One

both resumes have weaknesses, On the one hand Joe has fought a couple of Snow Whites on the other hand Bernard has dispatched half of the seven (LMW and WW) Dwarves

Considering Oscar, Tito and wright had no reason being in the ring with Hopkins plus the fact he lost to Jermain taylor. Yeah Tito looked so uncomfortable in there especially when he was doing the shuffle in Round 6! :nonono:

You have to take into account the fact that De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Wright had no business at the weight the fights were at. Those wins look much better on paper than they actually are. Yeah, but Hopkins was in his mid to late 30's as well.

I don't see why people say Kessler could beat Hopkins. Kessler doesn't have that Natural Athletic ability that Jones or Taylor had. Kessler hasn't shown that he really can adapt to a dirty fighter like Bernard either. He has a good jab, but Hopkins fought one of the best jabbers in the sport and he made it uneffective. And now on to Joe's resume: I think it's good. He has some great names. I think beating Reid is better then beating Lacy to be honest. Still, if people want to discredit Hopkins for his resume, you can do it to Joe's too. And no it's not that bullshit "Because he didn't fight in the states!!" Charles Brewer for example. Seems like a good oppnenot and he was, but just before that he was TKOed in 3 rounds by Awnton Echols. I'm aware that could have been a premature stoppage, but what on earth has Brewer done to get a shot on Calzaghe. People give crap to Hopkins for fighting Robert Allen 3 times, but why the hell did Calzaghe fight Mairo Veit 3 times? There was also Richie Woodhall, who had been knocked out by Keith Holmes in 1996. Now obviously, Veit, Brewer, and Woodhall are a lot better then what I make it seem like, but you can do the same thing to Calzaghe on what you did to Hopkins. Though like I said, I have them about even. They both fought a lot of good contenders which helped there resumes. That goes unoticed by a lot of people actually. So about even I would say.

Who has Calzaghe beaten who could beat Hopkins ?? Mikkel Kessler IMO.

They are about even. I think Bernard just smudges it (just like his fighting style derp.) Why? You can go on to this crap about Trinidad and De La Hoya being the smaller man, but the fact that they agreed and had fought at the weight before and were sucessful (well atleast Trinidad was). Trinidad had knocked out William Joppy in 5 rounds. Not anyone has done that before. Trinidad was also pretty big at Jr. Middleweight. He was also the favorite of that fight. Trinidad perfectly fit into that weight and weight really shouldn't be an issue. Back in 1957, Carmen Basillo weighed 153 pounds when he beat Sugar Ray Robinson, who weighed 160. That's 7 pounds apart and yet Basillo still won. Fighters back then, would jump weight in big doses, but still found a way to be sucessful. Bernard was better and still knocked him out. It's not like he struggled against Trinidad. De La Hoya is a bit different. I can see people arguing that he was to small due to the horrible shape he was in for the strum fight. However, he was still in a lot better shape for the Hopkins fight and did decent. That and on top of all that, Hopkins knocked him out. Not anyone has done that before. They weren't blown up welterweights. They were fighting and sucessful at Jr.Middleweight, and had sucess at Middleweight (Especially Trinidad). And Hopkins had to come down for the Wright fight too. People make it seem like jumping two divisions is god awful, but Hopkins did it. Ray Robinson almost did it. Harry Greb did it. Michael Spinx did it. Archie Moore did it. Manny Pacquiao did it! People really overexagrate being "blown up" Oh by the way, if Calzaghe had fought Trinidad or De La Hoya, Calzaghe fans would have been perfectly fine with it.

You have to take into account the fact that De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Wright had no business at the weight the fights were at. Those wins look much better on paper than they actually are. Also i think Veit, Reid, Woodhall, and Sheika are far more worthy of a mention than Manfredo. you are right on that, just looks good on paper, but you still have to beat em'

So Mayweather should get no credit for never fighting outside of his backyard, correct? Well, do you not agree with me, that the USA is the mecca of boxing, and that's where legends are made?? Sorry but when I see a world champion who hasn't fought in the US, it definitely doesn't put him in the same light as one who has.

You have to take into account the fact that De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Wright had no business at the weight the fights were at. Those wins look much better on paper than they actually are. Also i think Veit, Reid, Woodhall, and Sheika are far more worthy of a mention than Manfredo. Excellent point, Roger.

Not really I'm not being biased. Point I'm making is that Hopkins has fought the biggest names in boxing, albeit fighters moving up , and he has won. I don't see same calibre fighters on Calzaghe's resume. Calzaghe has been fighting in his backyard his whole career. All the current p4p fighters have fought in the US, which makes me question Calzaghe's level. So Mayweather should get no credit for never fighting outside of his backyard, correct?

er havent people said that paul willaims should move up? anyway if you put oscar or trinidad with calzaghe do you think they would beat him? assuming calz made 160 which i think he can although 168 is abit hard for him also. yeah but you discredit every boxer with that.. smaller get credit if he win but the bigger go don't

Who has Hopkins beaten who could beat Calzaghe? That's a good question. Answer is Hopkins has been a middleweight, whereas Calzaghe has fought at SMW. So it's really hard to say who will have beaten Cal since most of them were below his weight level..

Nice of you to show very quickly where the bias lies in your thread conception. Not really I'm not being biased. Point I'm making is that Hopkins has fought the biggest names in boxing, albeit fighters moving up , and he has won. I don't see same calibre fighters on Calzaghe's resume. Calzaghe has been fighting in his backyard his whole career. All the current p4p fighters have fought in the US, which makes me question Calzaghe's level.

If he beats Calzaghe, It'll be easily the most impressive win of his career. Whatever. I have no problem agreeing with this.

I don't know. Veit, Reid, Woodhall and Sheika are boxers I haven't even heard of. Your comparing these fighters to HOF fighters On hopkins resume. Nice of you to show very quickly where the bias lies in your thread conception.

BHOP went up in wieght and won so why do you criticize others for going up?? Just cause they lost. Trinidad went up a won and was eventually stopped by BHOP. HE was undeafeated and was the favorite to win that fight. No one else yet has knocked out Tito, ODLH, or Glen Johnson, besides BHOP. Discredit his record all you want, but its impressive.

no think you are missing the paul williams has that same advantage each time and so did toomy hearns. and b-hop is the bigger man in this go to boxing rec er havent people said that paul willaims should move up? anyway if you put oscar or trinidad with calzaghe do you think they would beat him? assuming calz made 160 which i think he can although 168 is abit hard for him also.

Hopkins list of accomplishments defeated Glen Johnson 32-0 Antwun Echols 22-2-1 (2) Felix Trinidad 40-0 William Joppy 34-2-1 Oscar De La Hoya 37-3-0 Howard Eastman 40-1-0 Antonio Tarver 24-3-0 Ronald Wright 51-3-1 Calzaghe Defeated Chris Eubank 45-2-2 Byron Mitchell 25-2-1 Jeff Lacy 21-0-0 Sakio Bika 20-1-2 Peter Manfredo Jr 26-3-0 Mikkel Kessler 39-0-0 I see a lot of world champions on Hopkins list. Definitely sounds like the more impressive resume if you ask me. you clearly don't know that calz fought fighters that were ex champs at smw aswell. atleast claz fought people who were true at that weight rather than people going up to get a payday.

Hopkins list of accomplishments defeated Glen Johnson 32-0 Antwun Echols 22-2-1 (2) Felix Trinidad 40-0 William Joppy 34-2-1 Oscar De La Hoya 37-3-0 Howard Eastman 40-1-0 Antonio Tarver 24-3-0 Ronald Wright 51-3-1 Calzaghe Defeated Chris Eubank 45-2-2 Byron Mitchell 25-2-1 Jeff Lacy 21-0-0 Sakio Bika 20-1-2 Peter Manfredo Jr 26-3-0 Mikkel Kessler 39-0-0 I see a lot of world champions on Hopkins list. Definitely sounds like the more impressive resume if you ask me. But Hopkins has also lost