Piggu, made a thread about whose the better inside fighter... I was compelled to make a poll about it... I found it intriguing, because peoples automatic assumption is cotto, like something went off in there head... as Run W/Knives said in the related thread...
I specifically remember in the Baldomir fight.. when Floyd stopped moving.. turned sideways, put his right glove up, and his left covering the stomach... typical floyd defense... and he started walking.. right into baldomir.. and literally allowing carlos to just throw at him, while floyd picked them off and countered, right inside the pocket...
Im not comparing Baldomir to Cotto.. but more floyds ability to do that to someone, who DOES have power...
All credit goes to Piggu, for the idea of this thread.
Cotto would live in Mayeather body. I see him doing what Castillio did but worse. He would bring educated pressure, use that jab, and take advantage as Mayweather is on the ropes. Castillio found it easy to hit Mayweathers body as he layed of the ropes. Look at how Castillio was able to bang his body.
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Cotto throwing period would look impressive to the judges, which is why his fight with Oscar was so close, because Oscar being busy and throwing punches, weather they were landing or not.
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Also, when Mayweather is blocking the left to the body, he is vulnerable for the over hand right, which is one of Cotto's best weapons.
A lot of Mayweather's critics love to talk about the first Castillo fight without mentioning that Mayweatghweer had a dislocated shoulder. What they don't talk about is the rematch when Mayweather beat him clearly. I also don't see these critics talk about the holes Zab Judah punched in Cotto's face or how Corley had Cotto out on his feet in serious trouble. If you want to go back to the first Castillo fight I can play the same game with Cotto. Both are excellent inside fighters. If you doubt Mayweather's inside game, check out what he did inside against Jesus Chavez when you have the time. Or Phillip N'dou. It's on youtube if you haven't seen it. Those uppercuts were brutal.
u guys are crazy thinking mayweather is better inside..cotto is way better in the inside..mayweather outside game is where he is nasty at..
you are consistantly proving how little you know about the sport of boxing.
Floyd is the better inside fighter.
Macho Camacho made a good point to me one day regarding Floyd vs. Cotto:
He stated that the fight would be similar to when he fought JCC. Macho stated "I was a far better boxer, I was faster, and had much better footwork but that didnt mean shit when we got in the ring." He indicated that the results would be closer but similar in respect to how effective PBF would really be against Cotto considering his relentlessness, body work, and ring cutting capabilities.
Granted, Macho was not at his best when he fought JCC, but I know that the result would have been similar regardless.
Styles makes fights.... please remember that.
Zab made Baldomir look like he was standing still for the first 5 rounds or so, and then, well I'm not exactly sure what happened then, because Zab just decided to quit fighting.
I'm not denying Floyd's skills on the inside, just saying that a clubfighter like Baldomir isn't the best example of them.
Baldomir could not be so bad i thought. I digged it up and it turns out the man (Baldomir, the slow club fighter) had not lost in 10 years upon the Floyd fight and was the linear champion! wow, not bad for a "clubfighter" huh?
Just to straight that up because the narrative around Floyd is that he's a boring fighter and Baldomir was his most boring fight. All lies, and the new guys who won't take the time to actually see the fights buy into it and without ever seeing the fights themselves!
I think Floyd is real slick on the inside and can pick his shots, but Cotto can do the same and is actually really good against the ropes which Floyd doesn't like to be at during a fight.
As a fighter, I'd rather be fighting Floyd on the inside instead of Cotto. He seems to cause more damage as proven in his past fights against similar 9or same) opposition.
Castillo has always been a pressure fighter. When he won it from Stevie Johnson then drew with him it was as a pressure fighter. When he fought Mayweather twice and lost both, it was as a pressure fighter. When he fought Lazcano, Casamayor, Diaz, and Corrales twice they were all as a pressure fighter. Castillo is also more of an in-fighter than Cotto.
You need to learn a lot about physics and how when you come in at OVER 150 for 10 years, you are bigger than a guy who came in UNDER 140 for 5 years and UNDER 150 for 5 years. Funny that while unable to see this, you would tell someone else they are totally lost.
Quintana and Malignaggi are not champions, they are holding a piece of paper. Mayweather, Hatton, Pavlik, Vazquez are champions.
Mayweather is not only on a different planet than Quintana or Malignaggi, he also does not fight the same style.
Castillo was not a pressure fighter? JC's sparring partner, who pretty much molded his style after him is not a pressure fighter? LOL
Castillo is a better inside fighter than Cotto, Cotto has a lot of other qualities but he is not as smooth as versatile Castillo was on the inside.
Mayweather does outclass Cotto. Cotto chance at winning this fight is in the 10 extra pounds he has. If they were the same size, we would not even be talking about it.
Hatton showed side movements and angles all through his career, and did not seem to have ever had any of it last December, and it's the case for all of Mayweather's opponents that they dont look nearly close to their best... so get ready to see some of Cotto's goods vanish when he steps in the ring with Mayweather. Dont expect Cotto to fight going back, but expect him to fail big time if he does that.
Against Hatton and De La Hoya, Mayweather got hit with right hands (which did not hurt him), because his stance, and movement was set to take away their left hooks. Why do you think he would need to do that with Cotto?
Also Cotto has slower hands than Oscar or Hatton.
LOL... you need to learn something about logic.
It's not that the punches have effect, because of how you scored them.
It's more like you score them, based on how much effect you think they have.
And I seen nothing easy in Castillo's landing shots. It's boxing... people get hit, it's a testament to Mayweather's defense that you are so amazed by Castillo landing some punches on him.
Also, the fact that he did not stop, he did not slow down should tell you something about how Mayweather takes it to the body.
See, if you were confident, it would mean that you think Cotto is more likely to win than Mayweather... It does not seem like it's the case, because otherwise you would take my profitable (for your confident beliefs) bet.
You cant say thats not a reasonable argument
Not only do you need to know the fighters natural size, but you also need to learn about boxing and how it works. Just look at thier frames. Hatton weighing more on fight night means that he is natural bigger? Its like you are totally lost. Also look at the weigh in pictures, not only was Maweather taller, but he was wider and clearly had more bulk to him. I was not comparing Quintana or Malinagggi to Mayweather, i was proving that he knows how to deal with those good movers and he does throw enough punches. They are also both currently champions.
You need to learn a lot about physics and how when you come in at OVER 150 for 10 years, you are bigger than a guy who came in UNDER 140 for 5 years and UNDER 150 for 5 years. Funny that while unable to see this, you would tell someone else they are totally lost.
Quintana and Malignaggi are not champions, they are holding a piece of paper. Mayweather, Hatton, Pavlik, Vazquez are champions.
Mayweather is not only on a different planet than Quintana or Malignaggi, he also does not fight the same style.
Hes alot better technically polished than Castillio. He has the full arsenal and his speed is underated. Castillio was not a pressure fighter but he made the ajustments for the Mayweather fight and i see Cotto doing the same thing. Why? because again, hes not one demensional and can adjust to his opponents style. He would bring smart pressure and take advantage as Floyd was in that defensive shell. Not only has Cotto devoloped good pure boxing skill, but he can also fight going back. You are clearly underating Cotto's inside fighting and pressure and act as if Mayweather out classes him or something, which is just laughable.
Castillo was not a pressure fighter? JC's sparring partner, who pretty much molded his style after him is not a pressure fighter? LOL
Castillo is a better inside fighter than Cotto, Cotto has a lot of other qualities but he is not as smooth as versatile Castillo was on the inside.
Mayweather does outclass Cotto. Cotto chance at winning this fight is in the 10 extra pounds he has. If they were the same size, we would not even be talking about it.
Hatton showed side movements and angles all through his career, and did not seem to have ever had any of it last December, and it's the case for all of Mayweather's opponents that they dont look nearly close to their best... so get ready to see some of Cotto's goods vanish when he steps in the ring with Mayweather. Dont expect Cotto to fight going back, but expect him to fail big time if he does that.
Read my post, i said that he was vulnerable to them when he is in that defensive shell. Look at how when he was trying to block the left to the body, Oscar was able to hit him with his right hand because Mayweather was focused more on blocking the body shot.
Against Hatton and De La Hoya, Mayweather got hit with right hands (which did not hurt him), because his stance, and movement was set to take away their left hooks. Why do you think he would need to do that with Cotto?
Also Cotto has slower hands than Oscar or Hatton.
Watch at how Castillio was able to get to his body easily as Mayweather layed on the ropes. The body shots that Castillio hit him with had an effect because Castillio definatlet swept the last few rounds on my card.
LOL... you need to learn something about logic.
It's not that the punches have effect, because of how you scored them.
It's more like you score them, based on how much effect you think they have.
And I seen nothing easy in Castillo's landing shots. It's boxing... people get hit, it's a testament to Mayweather's defense that you are so amazed by Castillo landing some punches on him.
Also, the fact that he did not stop, he did not slow down should tell you something about how Mayweather takes it to the body.
Im very confident but if anyone is giving the odds, then its going to be you. Mayweather will be the betting favorite and it would be foolish for me to give you the odds.
See, if you were confident, it would mean that you think Cotto is more likely to win than Mayweather... It does not seem like it's the case, because otherwise you would take my profitable (for your confident beliefs) bet.
I stopped reading... right there...
I still got love for ya though :kiss:
Lol not a pressure fighter before the Castillio/Mayweather fight :kiss: :grouphug:
I dont need to learn shit. You need to know that Hatton through his career was ALWAYS heavier on fight night than Mayweather ever was on fight night. It is not surprising at all, since Mayweather started at 130, and Hatton at 140. Mayweather's frame is so bih that he could make 130 until age 24 (almost 25).Malignaggi and Quintana are simply not on the same planet as Mayweather.
Not only do you need to know the fighters natural size, but you also need to learn about boxing and how it works. Just look at thier frames. Hatton weighing more on fight night means that he is natural bigger? Its like you are totally lost. Also look at the weigh in pictures, not only was Maweather taller, but he was wider and clearly had more bulk to him. I was not comparing Quintana or Malinagggi to Mayweather, i was proving that he knows how to deal with those good movers and he does throw enough punches. They are also both currently champions.
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EDIT: Cotto more technically polished than Castillo? Castillo in his prime, was one of the best active inside fighters of that time, together with Hopkins, and Toney.
Hes alot better technically polished than Castillio. He has the full arsenal and his speed is underated. Castillio was not a pressure fighter but he made the ajustments for the Mayweather fight and i see Cotto doing the same thing. Why? because again, hes not one demensional and can adjust to his opponents style. He would bring smart pressure and take advantage as Floyd was in that defensive shell. Not only has Cotto devoloped good pure boxing skill, but he can also fight going back. You are clearly underating Cotto's inside fighting and pressure and act as if Mayweather out classes him or something, which is just laughable.
Mayweather is not vulnerable to right hands at all. If anything that's the easiest punch to take away with his defense. the punches we have seen landing flush on him have been looping lefts.
Read my post, i said that he was vulerable to them when he is in that defensive shell. Look at how when he was trying to block the left to the body, Oscar was able to hit him with his right hand becaue Mayweather was focused more on blocking the body shot.
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Castillo never got close to hurting a 25 year old Mayweather (and he defintiely did not get to his body "at will"... LOL), who came in the ring weighing less than 140 pounds. Mayweather NEVER showed.
he felt any of the few bodyshots he's taken from anyone, again good luck with that
Watch at how Castillio was able to get to his body easily as Mayweather layed on the ropes. The body shots that Castillio hit him with had an effect because Castillio definatlet swept the last few rounds on my card.
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Then, you are not putting your money where your keyboard is... not so confindent, huh?
Im very confident but if anyone is giving the odds, then its going to be you. Mayweather will be the betting favorite and it would be foolish for me to give you the odds.
One question.... Castillo going to the body for 12 rounds... and what did it do?
he Still lost.
Mayweather on post-De La Hoya fight, "Just look at the punch stats"
Well lookit the punch stats on the Castillo fight.
Cotto still wayyyy better than Castillo.
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