He was winning on all the scorecards prior to the stoppage of the first fight. I thought he was losing just about the entire fight minus the 2nd rd and 1 more rd after that(the 5th I believe). Taylor has this mysterious way of getting all the judges to go for him even when he does a terrible job at boxing. I really hope Pavlik doesn't let this fall into the judges hands. It would be a damn shame! :nonono:
My case in point for this thread. I believe Taylor's career has been made up of gift decisions when he didn't knock his opponent out. This couldn't be more evident than the fact that he was winning against Pavlik which I don't care which rounds you give Pavlik or Taylor, at the point of the stoppage, Pavlik should have been ahead. Even Pavlik seemed shocked to hear that when Merchant told him he was behind on the scorecards. It's like, Taylor's wasted energy or something he does but really isn't doing, makes him look good enough for the judges. It's disgusting.
all true my brother!
thats right! see njord i am not the only one who thinks that!
My case in point for this thread. I believe Taylor's career has been made up of gift decisions when he didn't knock his opponent out. This couldn't be more evident than the fact that he was winning against Pavlik which I don't care which rounds you give Pavlik or Taylor, at the point of the stoppage, Pavlik should have been ahead. Even Pavlik seemed shocked to hear that when Merchant told him he was behind on the scorecards. It's like, Taylor's wasted energy or something he does but really isn't doing, makes him look good enough for the judges. It's disgusting.
Taylor has had conditioning problems. I cant see him making it into the later rounds honestly. Kelly will wear him down and stop him. The only real chance I give Taylor is if he just comes out and goes for broke early and tries to knock Pavlik out. If the fight goes past 3 rounds I give Taylor no chance of winning.
co-signed. i like jt but he will lose by ko and then he'll take a fight with miranda..
Yes, Pavlik can win 8 rounds and Taylor would still get the decision, the judges were going to screw Pavlik in the last fight if he didn't knock Taylor out, those cards were ridiculous, Taylor just doesn't lose a decision.
thats right! see njord i am not the only one who thinks that!
Yes, Pavlik can win 8 rounds and Taylor would still get the decision, the judges were going to screw Pavlik in the last fight if he didn't knock Taylor out, those cards were ridiculous, Taylor just doesn't lose a decision.
The cards weren't bullshit. It's fine if you disagree but there are plenty of people who thought Jermain Taylor was genuinely winning the fight. How does Taylor have to take it for you to tip your hat to him? I'll admit he gets love from judges even when he has looked less than stellar, but I wouldn't go so far as to assume a decision in his favor is going to be a gift.
the cards were not even close! thats the issue! if the fight was close and they had jermain ahead by a little which is fine, but 6 rds to 1, or 5 to 2? if u think thats ok than i have nothing else to talk to u about! i will tip my hat when he deserves it!
The cards weren't bullshit. It's fine if you disagree but there are plenty of people who thought Jermain Taylor was genuinely winning the fight. How does Taylor have to take it for you to tip your hat to him? I'll admit he gets love from judges even when he has looked less than stellar, but I wouldn't go so far as to assume a decision in his favor is going to be a gift.
One of the judges, Julie Lederman, gave Pavlik only ONE round in the fight, the other two gave him two rounds. I'd say Julie's card was BS for sure.
i think a bad decision, due to political reasons can go either way:
a taylor win would be a good setup for a 3rd match
but a pavlik win would continue the momentum he is having popularity wise, as an undefeated fighter
so hopefully these reasons for bias cancel each other out and they score it fairly
dude i will be the first to give him credit if he wins, but i fear if its a decision he will get it! he was gonna rob pavlik in the first fight! those cards were bs! but thats the way it goes for him!
The cards weren't bullshit. It's fine if you disagree but there are plenty of people who thought Jermain Taylor was genuinely winning the fight. How does Taylor have to take it for you to tip your hat to him? I'll admit he gets love from judges even when he has looked less than stellar, but I wouldn't go so far as to assume a decision in his favor is going to be a gift.
I hate to read between the lines but I hope if Taylor wins a close fight- but actually wins- you give him credit. All Jermain can get out of this is some measure of lost pride and a bit of respect. Pavlik remains champion, anyway. If Pavlik wins he'll get credit. From me and I hope everyone else. I just really hope Jermain gets the same should he take it.
dude i will be the first to give him credit if he wins, but i fear if its a decision he will get it! he was gonna rob pavlik in the first fight! those cards were bs! but thats the way it goes for him!
well they would have a good bitch! it's no mystery that taylor has gotten a ton of gifts! anyone who says he won all the fights against bhop, and spinks are on drugs! gifts
I hate to read between the lines but I hope if Taylor wins a close fight- but actually wins- you give him credit. All Jermain can get out of this is some measure of lost pride and a bit of respect. Pavlik remains champion, anyway. If Pavlik wins he'll get credit. From me and I hope everyone else. I just really hope Jermain gets the same should he take it.
Taylor has had conditioning problems. I cant see him making it into the later rounds honestly. Kelly will wear him down and stop him. The only real chance I give Taylor is if he just comes out and goes for broke early and tries to knock Pavlik out. If the fight goes past 3 rounds I give Taylor no chance of winning.
I'm also sure if Taylor wins a close UD- a fair, yet very close decision- that people will jump up and down shouting robbery because they wanted Pavlik to win. I hope that whoever walks out the winner gets the credit they deserve. Especially because credit is all this fight, being at 166, is good for.
well they would have a good bitch! it's no mystery that taylor has gotten a ton of gifts! anyone who says he won all the fights against bhop, and spinks are on drugs! gifts
I'm also sure if Taylor wins a close UD- a fair, yet very close decision- that people will jump up and down shouting robbery because they wanted Pavlik to win. I hope that whoever walks out the winner gets the credit they deserve. Especially because credit is all this fight, being at 166, is good for.
I think if it goes to the cards, Taylor will win the fight whether he deserves it or not.
And the decision will cause much comotion because the first was a difficult fight to score.
Many experts had Taylor outboxing Pavlik, many had Pavlik outpunching Taylor.
So we'll see. I think something controversial could go down for sure