::I know people have been waiting on my response and here it is.. because i have been getting bad karma because of this and i havent even reply yet..::
COTTO IS NOT THE man, BECAUSE Williams LOST....!!!
*How does Paul Williams Loss to Quantina proves that Cotto is the man….
“Because Cotto KO Quantina, and Quantina beats Williams means that Cotto is the shit..”
Well in that case let me use this logic to clear some shit up….:
Floyd would of beat the shit out of Joel Casamayor and Acelino Freitas because Diego Corrales beat both of them.and Floyd beat the shit out of Corrales
Floyd would of also beat the shit out of Kostya Tszyu because hatton tko Kotazu
Floyd would of beaten the shit out of Paul Spadafora because Gatti Knock Out Leonard Dorrin 22-0 and Leonard Dorrin got a draw Paul Spadafora. Most think that Dorin won that fight and Spadafora was received a gift. Because of the way Dorin control the fight
These are all fighters that People say Floyd Duck….
But using you guys logic now, It doesn’t matter if he duck them or not because he would beat the shit out of them anyways because the fighters floyd beat went on to beat those guys…….
You see how this logic works…
It doesnt let the Fighters fight the fighters...and this is what you guys been begging for since Floyd became number #1 P4P
But now it's ok and when it Comes to Cotto....:lol1:
That fine with me because now we can all agree that Floyd doesnt have to fight nobody because Floyd has beaten people who has beaten people who want to fight Floyd.....
LMAO:lol1:
Even i dont agree with that and i am a Floyd fan....but this is the logic you guys want to apply...
Why is PW being written of after only 1 defeat?
Why was Carlos Quintana written off after only one defeat?
And why hasnt Margarito been Written off after 5 defeats..?
Thats the difference between mma and boxing, mma gives their fighters a chance and a shot at redemption...there fanbase is more loyal and less critical...PW will be back, and Carlos Quintana has came back….
come on people...
To the Cotto situation
People continue to say that Floyd is ducking Cotto but Any fighter would fight Oscar that includes Cotto, Cintron, Williams, and Margo. Margo has even went as far as issuing a challenge to Oscar. Arum was negotiating a fight with Oscar and not FLOYD! YOu can place the blame on Floyd all you want to. That is what hater's do. The FACT is Cotto/Arum didn't try to negotiate a contract or fight with FLoyd. His people didn't even contact Floyd, and Oscar did.
So don't act like Floyd is the anti-christ of boxing when he is doing what any other fighter would/wants to do.
How is Floyd Ducking Cotto when Cotto has never Called Floyd Out…!!!
And here is the most used Argument:
"When someone is the number one contender, he doesn't need to call you out. He has earned the right to fight the champion..."
So i guess Mayweather is ducking Andre Berto too, Since he is Mayweather Mandatory .. and Berto has earned the right to fight the Champion
(although berto has never called him out just like cotto)
What is the Logic..??
You cant lose your belt by not fighting the #1 Contender
but you can lose your belt by not fighting your Mandatory
So technically, what fight has more Precedent?
But nobody has to say that Cotto is better than berto we all know that..
But if Cotto really wants to fight Floyd, Why doesn’t he act like the challenger he is and just open his mouth and say
“Floyd I want to fight you, and You only..”
But he hasn’t done that….
If Cotto wants the fight, Let him ask for the fight not his fans…
After all Like Floyd always says:
“The Fans cant fight for you..”
and in Cotto’s case the fans cant “Call out a Fighter for you..”
HATE ON, HATERS....:buttkick: :lol1:
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Why is PW being written of after only 1 defeat?
Why was Carlos Quintana written off after only one defeat?
And why hasnt Margarito been Written off after 5 defeats..?
Thats the difference between mma and boxing, mma gives their fighters a chance and a shot at redemption...there fanbase is more loyal and less critical...PW will be back, and Carlos Quintana has came back….
come on people...
: :lol1:
:boxing: God damn Pay back is a bitch...I got all kinds of red K when Williams First Lost.....WHERE IS MY GREEN K NOW THAT HE WON..!!!
Common Sense wins Again..!!
Why didnt u post the entire post?
I hate mayweather as much as the next guy but i will definitely agree with horus's logic. The same logic why i think Cotto would beat the shit out of margarito will agree that floyd would have beaten the shit out of all those fighters mentioned. I will agree that Floyd DOES NOT want to fight Cotto but it IS NOT because he is afraid of Cotto. Where this train of thought came from i will never know. Mayweather as such a warped sense of himself he literally thinks he is the greatest boxer of all time. Anyone crazy enough to have a blatant disrespect 4 sugar ray robinson and think that about themself would make it impossible to fear any individual. But i think even horus will have to agree that because of styles a margarito ass whoopin from floyd would be a completely different ass whoopin from one handed to him from Cotto. Mayweather is more a slow demoralizing "who's your daddy" ass whoopin as opposed to a thorough "you got knocked the fuck out" ass whoopin. from Cotto.
I hate mayweather as much as the next guy but i will definitely agree with horus's logic. The same logic why i think Cotto would beat the shit out of margarito will agree that floyd would have beaten the shit out of all those fighters mentioned. I will agree that Floyd DOES NOT want to fight Cotto but it IS NOT because he is afraid of Cotto. Where this train of thought came from i will never know. Mayweather as such a warped sense of himself he literally thinks he is the greatest boxer of all time. Anyone crazy enough to have a blatant disrespect 4 sugar ray robinson and think that about themself would make it impossible to fear any individual. But i think even horus will have to agree that because of styles a margarito ass whoopin from floyd would be a completely different ass whoopin from one handed to him from Cotto. Mayweather is more a slow demoralizing "who's your daddy" ass whoopin as opposed to a thorough "you got knocked the fuck out" ass whoopin. from Cotto.
Thats the difference between mma and boxing, mma gives their fighters a chance and a shot at redemption...there fanbase is more loyal and less critical...PW will be back, and Carlos Quintana has came back….I sort of agree with this, MMA fans in general aren't very loyal but promoters and fans alike do indeed allow fighters redemption...
afaik mayweather is better than cotto. if cotto wants to prove hes better then he should have some fund raisers because mayweather only fights when the price is right. even if he did get a contract,youd probably have to wait for next year for the fight.
Maybe because
Mosley is a bigger win than Hatton at WW.
Quintana is a bigger win than Baldomir.
Mitchell was finished when he fought Floyd, so about equal to Urkal.
:buttkick: @ Gavinz
Carlos Manuel Baldomir :
World Boxing Hall of Fame "Fighter of the Year" 2006
WBC Champion
WBA Champion
IBF Champion
Last Linear Champion Before Mayweather
Ricky Hatton:
* 2005 Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year: Hatton is the first British boxer to receive the award since its inception in 1928
* 2005 ESPN.com Fighter of the Year
* IBF Light Welterweight Champion
* WBA Light Welterweight Champion
* IBF Light Welterweight Champion
* WBA Welterweight Champion
2005: Ranked #4 P4P rating
2006: Ranked #8 P4P rating
Carlos Quintana:
Never ranked in the top 10 in any division by ring Magazine
Just won the IBF belt from Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal:
Never a champion (real belt)
Highest rank is #7 in welterweight division 2006
Got TKO by Vivian Harris (mmm…)
Mosely and Oscar cancel each other.......
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...Annual_Ratings
See... now thats what I mean about being fair... it does not matter if Margarito could beat Floyd or not.. it does not matter if Margarito is pure shit, which he is..... He did in fact call out Floyd... and he did in fact offer what would have been Mayweather's largest payday at that point..
so the poster has a point... and you are not practicing open debate..
Shame... :nono:
See what you fail to realize is that....
I made valid points about Margarito
but nobody was able to defend him......
SO i was practicing open debate...:dance:
Who's Bozo? Was that before my time here? $in made pretty shitty arguements though. Atlleast DIOS had some great points and actually backed up his stuff. Diego is so so. I'd say the best person nowadays who would be clasified as a "nuthugger" would be Vladimir303. He makes some great points and I agree with some of the stuff he says. Dios still takes the cake though.
Though you are right. Horus doesn't really make a good point. I mean Cotto's beat Judah and Mosley. Particually Mosley that really stands out. Yes it was close and Mosley was past his prime. But who the hell says that a fighter can't be great when he's past his prime? I think this goes for both Mosley and De La Hoya. They are still both great fighters.
Though Cotto deserves a shot at Mayweather.
:biggthump
i agree that floyd whoops him, but ko? nah, he took a ton of flush shot from quintana, and i don't see floyd any stronger punch wise! i guess u never know, but unlikely!
Yeah, even though it appears Paul's best defense is his offensive output, his chin is pretty solid for someone so frail looking.
Maybe because
Mosley is a bigger win than Hatton at WW.
Quintana is a bigger win than Baldomir.
Mitchell was finished when he fought Floyd, so about equal to Urkal.
Carlos Manuel Baldomir :
World Boxing Hall of Fame "Fighter of the Year" 2006
WBC Champion
WBA Champion
IBF Champion
Last Linear Champion Before Mayweather
Ricky Hatton:
* 2005 Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year: Hatton is the first British boxer to receive the award since its inception in 1928
* 2005 ESPN.com Fighter of the Year
* IBF Light Welterweight Champion
* WBA Light Welterweight Champion
* IBF Light Welterweight Champion
* WBA Welterweight Champion
2005: Ranked #4 P4P rating
2006: Ranked #8 P4P rating
Carlos Quintana:
Never ranked in the top 10 in any division by ring Magazine
Just won the IBF belt from Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal:
Never a champion (real belt)
Highest rank is #7 in welterweight division 2006
Got TKO by Vivian Harris (mmm…)
Mosely and Oscar cancel each other.......
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings
Floyd would destroy Williams. He'd even have a chance of knocking him out, with an accumulation of punishment.
i agree that floyd whoops him, but ko? nah, he took a ton of flush shot from quintana, and i don't see floyd any stronger punch wise! i guess u never know, but unlikely!
Floyd would have such an easy time hitting Paul it wouldn't be fair. Paul's defense was absolutely awful against Quintana(even with head movement. What rhythm was Paul talkin about? He didn't look different to me he just fought a slick fighter and his jab was taken out of the fight for the most part and he got shown up.
Mayweather is the WBC title holder. Berto is the mandatory for the IBF belt.
I agree that a fighter shouldn't receive so much flack for a loss- but also, it wasn't just the loss that threw me off, personally. It was the way in which Williams looked so naked in the ring- his flaws were just so evident against a technically sound fighter. I think that's why people are targeting him, and not because of simply the loss.
honestly, he is being targeted because he was being completely overrated by certain posters, more specifically, floyd fanatics which were looking for every reason for Floyd not to fight Cotto. Such as Cotto having to fight Williams to determine an opponent for Floyd which I am %100 confident the thread starter would prolly still feel is the best scenario. He is just that bitter and fanatical.