A fighters chin being exposed.

yeah i know what you mean manchine... but like i said... i know some fighters can take more of a punch than others.... but being knocked down i dont believe exposes your chin... but just that youve finally taken a shot that was hard enough to put you down... theres those that have gotten that shot.. and those that havent.

Ali took a serious beating from Frazier in the first fight. Then Frazier took a beating from Ali in their third fight. Robinson pummels LaMotta.

I dissagree, some might have been KO'd sone might not. Look at the shot that Frazier landed on Ali. That left hook was classic and text book landed by a man that could KO a horse and Ali got right up. It has to do with heart, natural chin and mind over matter. Some fighters refuse to go down, like Jake Lamotta, JCC, Ali............legends in the game. its really all opinionated... neither of us were hit with it... so we dont really know would of gotten up and who wouldnt of.

im not trying to make this thread about roy like ive said countless times... but ill say this... the shot tarver landed on roy would have KOd anyone... it was a haymaker hook that landed RIGHT on his jaw... i firmly believe that... but this isnt about roy for 32nd time. I dissagree, some might have been KO'd sone might not. Look at the shot that Frazier landed on Ali. That left hook was classic and text book landed by a man that could KO a horse and Ali got right up. It has to do with heart, natural chin and mind over matter. Some fighters refuse to go down, like Jake Lamotta, JCC, Ali............legends in the game.

yes but being weight drained aka dehydrated takes away some of your bodys ability to absorb impact. ...true...but that's just to make weight at the weigh in, after that they have 24 hours to recover...depending on the weight class, some fighters gain back 20+ pounds of fluid before they step in the ring...with the same chin they had before...if a fighter has the heart of a champion, he will have the same "chin" going up 1 or 2 weight classes...if the fighter is known for having a good chin...if the fighter has a weak chin, he'll have the same chin if he goes up in weight...he might appear to have a better chin because he's feeling stronger or better, but he's got the same chin, regardless...and some guys have good chins until they move up a weight class or 2...depends on thier heart...Mosley is the primes example of a fighter that goes up in weight and still takes a good shot...which is why he's one of my favorite fighters...he's up there with Holyfield... Kabuki Joe

...good point...he might be stronger and feel better at 147, but he still has the same jaw...the extra weight doesn't go into your chin... Kabuki Joe yes but being weight drained aka dehydrated takes away some of your bodys ability to absorb impact.

This is a pretty good thread, interesting topic...."BUT" Cotto hasn't been to the canvas since moving to 147. Which means....weight drained at 140 = easy knock downs. If someone has a weak chin, they DO NOT come from behind and score KO's! Felix Trinidad got knocked down in 80% of his fights. Weak chin??? don't think so. ...good point...he might be stronger and feel better at 147, but he still has the same jaw...the extra weight doesn't go into your chin... Kabuki Joe

This is a pretty good thread, interesting topic...."BUT" Cotto hasn't been to the canvas since moving to 147. Which means....weight drained at 140 = easy knock downs. If someone has a weak chin, they DO NOT come from behind and score KO's! Felix Trinidad got knocked down in 80% of his fights. Weak chin??? don't think so.

I hear this all the time... Every fighter has a rock solid chin, until there knocked down... THEN, there chin has been exposed... what the hell is that? I think theres two different types of fighters, ones who have gotten hit with a punch hard enough to knock them down... and ones who havent. Obviously some fighters can take a harder hit than others. I understand this. Im sure Carlos Baldomir can take a harder punch than the late Diego Corrales, even with the weight differential. Take Sam Peter for instance, all the sudden his chin has been exposed? Just because hes been knocked down, he cant take a punch now? Or like Carlos Baldomir... Were almost made to believe there isnt a welterweight out there who can put him on the canvas. Or is it, he just hasnt been hit with one of those perfect shots yet. Everyones human... if you get hit on the right spot, right on the jaw line, with the right power... its almost like a short circuit... its doesnt really matter how much heart you have, it literally will short circuit your legs... I think theres those fighters who HAVE been hit like that, and those that haven't. Cotto comes to mind in this particular subject for me. Hes shown he can definitely take a punch, from Zab Judah, and Shane Mosley.. two hard hitting WW's, but has been on the canvas before... does that mean he has a glass chin? or that he was just hit with one of those perfect punches. I think everyone has a "glass" chin to a certain extent... They just haven't been hit right yet. Your take? Side Note to those that know me: This wasnt based on Roy... it was based on the below comment. This isnt a low blow to Ballistic either. ...good topic...chins are like punches, some have good chins, some have good punches...but what you aren't touching on is "heart"...a fighter with a glass chin AND big heart will get up after getting knocked down (Klitchko) and still win...a fighter with a granite jaw and no heart won't (Buster Douglas)...it's rare when to find a fighter that has all 3 attributes (Marciano, Holyfield & Hagler)... Kabuki Joe

i can't disagree, people take better shots than others, but if anyone gets hit right they're done.. and about peter, i agree, especially at heavyweight if u get hit right, u're going down, and maybe out i think tyson was a good example of that. when he lost to douglas he was getting drilled all fuckin night. fainally a 3 shot combo with everything buster had on every shot and his whole body behind the final left put mike down and out. youd be nuts if you said that was an indictment of tysons chin. the fact that he somehow got to his feet was superhuman, the average person wouldve been comatose from those shots.

i can't disagree, people take better shots than others, but if anyone gets hit right they're done.. and about peter, i agree, especially at heavyweight if u get hit right, u're going down, and maybe out

Then how you explain Wlad Klitschko's "glass jaw" stigma that he's carried for some time now, he's never been counted out on the canvas? klitschko is a polarizing figure on this board, people either love him or love to hate him those who love to hate him constantly reinforce that stigma because quite honestly its the only real criticism they can level on him without outing themselves as idiots.

yeah i agree w that

I don't think Shane Mosley's "chin" was exposed by being knocked down. It was more about Vernon Forrest's heigh, similar to Taylor getting knocked out by Pavlik. That nasty headbutt that Forrest gave Shane right before the knockdown helped things along too.

I don't think Shane Mosley's "chin" was exposed by being knocked down. It was more about Vernon Forrest's heigh, similar to Taylor getting knocked out by Pavlik.

Julian Jackson was said to have a weak chin. I always thought it was more of a case of his defensive liabilities. He was overcommitted to his offense, & this left him open to a lot of guys' biggest punches.

Ray Mercer was thought to have an iron jaw until he was old and finally stopped. I think as fighters age, they lose the reflexes to block and avoid punches, plus they lose their balance, and go down easier. In Peter's case, he was thought to have an iron jaw, partly because he ate a ton of right hands from Wlad (though he was wobbled in the 12th by a left hook) without dropping. Against McCline, who is not known to be a huge puncher, he was dropped 3 times, so he can no longer be thought of as having an iron jaw (once you can make an excuse for.) But by no means would I say his jaw is "exposed," at least not until someone actually knocks him out. i still think peter has an iron jaw...

Knock Downs don't expose someones chin, But I believe getting knocked the F out does for certain fighters. To Tell you the truth I think its more mental. If you've been a awesome boxer for so long and then you got KTFO, you now know how it feels, and now know it can happen!! Plus other boxers now know theres a possiblity of KO you out. Some boxers take it well, some don't. Not to call out roy, but I think those 2 KO's still make him a lil cautious & not as much of a threat anymore. Ya know! Then how you explain Wlad Klitschko's "glass jaw" stigma that he's carried for some time now, he's never been counted out on the canvas?

I hear this all the time... Every fighter has a rock solid chin, until there knocked down... THEN, there chin has been exposed... what the hell is that? I think theres two different types of fighters, ones who have gotten hit with a punch hard enough to knock them down... and ones who havent. Obviously some fighters can take a harder hit than others. I understand this. Im sure Carlos Baldomir can take a harder punch than the late Diego Corrales, even with the weight differential. Take Sam Peter for instance, all the sudden his chin has been exposed? Just because hes been knocked down, he cant take a punch now? Or like Carlos Baldomir... Were almost made to believe there isnt a welterweight out there who can put him on the canvas. Or is it, he just hasnt been hit with one of those perfect shots yet. Everyones human... if you get hit on the right spot, right on the jaw line, with the right power... its almost like a short circuit... its doesnt really matter how much heart you have, it literally will short circuit your legs... I think theres those fighters who HAVE been hit like that, and those that haven't. Cotto comes to mind in this particular subject for me. Hes shown he can definitely take a punch, from Zab Judah, and Shane Mosley.. two hard hitting WW's, but has been on the canvas before... does that mean he has a glass chin? or that he was just hit with one of those perfect punches. I think everyone has a "glass" chin to a certain extent... They just haven't been hit right yet. Your take? Side Note to those that know me: This wasnt based on Roy... it was based on the below comment. This isnt a low blow to Ballistic either. Knock Downs don't expose someones chin, But I believe getting knocked the F out does for certain fighters. To Tell you the truth I think its more mental. If you've been a awesome boxer for so long and then you got KTFO, you now know how it feels, and now know it can happen!! Plus other boxers now know theres a possiblity of KO you out. Some boxers take it well, some don't. Not to call out roy, but I think those 2 KO's still make him a lil cautious & not as much of a threat anymore. Ya know!

Ray Mercer was thought to have an iron jaw until he was old and finally stopped. I think as fighters age, they lose the reflexes to block and avoid punches, plus they lose their balance, and go down easier. In Peter's case, he was thought to have an iron jaw, partly because he ate a ton of right hands from Wlad (though he was wobbled in the 12th by a left hook) without dropping. Against McCline, who is not known to be a huge puncher, he was dropped 3 times, so he can no longer be thought of as having an iron jaw (once you can make an excuse for.) But by no means would I say his jaw is "exposed," at least not until someone actually knocks him out.