B-Hop/Joe C -Who faced Better Opposition?

it's all what you make of it really, anyone can shit on either one of these guys record, you look hard enough and deep enough with enough scrutiny and they both can either look great or look like douche bags........................ the main thing is to get them into the ring and let them settle who's better and has been better. who ever wins their fight has the better resume and is the better fighter............how about that, instead of talking about this, that, and the other thing................

My point being, you're trying to compare competition based soley on records, which we all know can be inflated. Look at Ricky Hatton's record at 38-0 (right before he fought Tszyu) and compare it with Mayweather's record at 38-0 (right before he fought Hatton). You cannot simply add numbers together and compare resumes. Every fighters record is inflated, they fight low competition early to build records. Thats why looking at it like this is interesting, it shows everyone they fought and shows who may have had more of a challenge on the way up. But your right, to do it properly Id have to compare every single opponents record of every fighter that they ever fought to be accurate, but I dont have 2 weeks of free time! :banana:

Hopkins lost to the opponents his own size, Jones and Taylor. The best names on his resume he defeated were welterweights - DLH and Trinidad. Nice way to make him look bad. When Tito and DLH met it was called "Hearns vs Leonard" because they were perceived two of the best in boxing at the time. B Hop dominated both, moved UP in weight to face the best light heavyweight in the world and proceeded to humiliate him. Calzaghe has Lacy and Kessler but it still won't hold up against B Hop's resume.

I think Hopkins and Calzaghe both have good resumes (not great like most superstars), but Hopkins edges it. Definietly agree you can't compare on numbers though. I'll probably be making a "Great/Good/Average" with Hopkins and Calzaghe's resume pretty soon like I did Mayweather's

Im just comparing overall competition, not who they fought. My point being, you're trying to compare competition based soley on records, which we all know can be inflated. Look at Ricky Hatton's record at 38-0 (right before he fought Tszyu) and compare it with Mayweather's record at 38-0 (right before he fought Hatton). You cannot simply add numbers together and compare resumes.

Hopkins lost to the opponents his own size, Jones and Taylor. The best names on his resume he defeated were welterweights - DLH and Trinidad. Still better opposition in my opinion.

Bernard Hopkins, IMO.

Neither have particularly good defenses because there wasn't particularly opposition while these guys Hopkins and Calzaghe were just floundering along unnoticed... but Calzaghe has Woodhall, although Richie was five years past his best.

keep in mind that BHOP has been fighting for 74 years.

So, according to you, Tye Fields, 40-1 (36) is better competition than Joe Frazier 32-4 (27) or Sugar Ray Leonard 36-3 (25) or............. you get the point. Im just comparing overall competition, not who they fought.

Bernard takes it. Bernard has some decent names and some really notable names. Tito and Oscar (well maybe Oscar) weren't as blown up as people make them out to be. Tarver is a great win, as is Wright. He beat up an undefeated Johnson. He has good wins and against good/decent wins over people like Holmes, Echols, and co. His losses against Taylor were very close and a loss over Jones...is a loss over Jones, arguably the best fighter in the 90's era. Calzaghe's comes somewhat close. He has a great wins too. Kessler, Eubank, Lacy, and Reid. He has a lot of decent names and some unknown people as title defenses. Hopkins has some unknown people (Morrade Hakkar lol), but more so Calzaghe I would think. Random thought: I find it funny Charles Brewer lasted the distance with Calzaghe, but got (technically) knocked out by Antwon Echols in 3. I realize it could have been a bad stoppage, but just wondering what Charles did to gain a shot at Calzaghe and why Echols didn't fight him insted. Though, I could possibly see how he got a shot since Charles was a former title holder and had two close decisions with Sven Ottke.

------TW TL TD B Hop 1018-261-28 Joe C 946-285-25 I combined their opponents records, if they lost I didnt add it in. Looks like B-Hop has faced the better competition. So, according to you, Tye Fields, 40-1 (36) is better competition than Joe Frazier 32-4 (27) or Sugar Ray Leonard 36-3 (25) or............. you get the point.

Hopkins has fought: Wright, De LA Hoya, Jermaine Taylor x 2, Roy Jones Jnr., Felix Trinidad just to name a few. Even Echols and Joppy outrank a lot of Clazaghe's 'opponents' in my opinion. Calzaghe has beat Kessler.

bernard has bigger names.... but has lost some of his bigger fights. two to taylor and one to jones.