Calzaghe: Rank his top 5 opponents..

Eubank was down against Watson, Benn and Collins.

Didn't he lose to Steve Collins twice? Was that a consequence of Steve being the better fighter or a sign that Eubank was on the decline? Either way, the Calzaghe win over Eubank wasn't as good as some make out. Styles make fights. Did losing to Ken Norton when Ali was 31 mean that Ali was finished? And most people fail to mention the Eubank win at all. I think putting him down for the first time in his career was pretty damn decent.

31 is not exactly ancient is it? Did you watch the fight? Did he look old to you? Didn't he lose to Steve Collins twice? Was that a consequence of Steve being the better fighter or a sign that Eubank was on the decline? Either way, the Calzaghe win over Eubank wasn't as good as some make out.

Admittedly I didn not follow Jeff Lacy when he was coming up. That having been said the guys has looked as slow as a bag of bricks in every fight I have seen him including the uninspired performance against manfredo. I don't think Jeff Lacy is any good... your thoughts? Also.. Mario Veit? He's a beer hall fighter in Germany. I know you didn't put him high... but c'mon. Veit beat Brewer and Salem and hadn't lost to anyone except Calzaghe until 2006. Lacy knocked out Vanderpool (something Hopkins couldn't do) and Reid (something Calzaghe couldn't do), he also beat two decent fighters Omar Sheika and Pemberton.

1. Chris Eubank 2. Mikkel Kessler 3. Robin Reid 4. Jeff Lacy 5. Byron Mitchell

50K on DrewWoodside's reality over HappyBoxingFan's fantasy

I didn't look at your actual points. You get points for posts as well and you're already up to 10K on posts alone. I'm sure you can find action the other way somewhere on rjj/tito Read about the dive.... I'll take action on that.

NOt for you... You just lost all your points. I didn't look at your actual points. You get points for posts as well and you're already up to 10K on posts alone. I'm sure you can find action the other way somewhere on rjj/tito

Happy, you should make some bets.. it's pretty easy, we'll see who's first to 10,000 points. NOt for you... You just lost all your points.

For me: Kessler Eubank Reid Lacy Brewer

Happy, you should make some bets.. it's pretty easy, we'll see who's first to 10,000 points.

Also.. Mario Veit? He's a beer hall fighter in Germany. I know you didn't put him high... but c'mon. Have my doubts. But the Germans gave JC his biggest purse to fight him in Germany after Joe already obliterated him in a round in Wales. Someone believed in him. I doubt you have ever seen him though. He beat Jurgen Brahmer last year who is decent. He was freakishly tall with a good jab. You could see there was a very good fighter in there somewhere.

Yes, I feel he's better than Kessler, he was 31 when he fought Calzaghe, he fought Collins twice, both fights can be argued that he won, he then went on to Cruiserweight and lost a disputed decision to Thompson and his last lost was because of a badly swollen eye while he was leading on the cards. Alright... maybe you're right. You probably know better than I do.

1. Mikkel Kessler 2. Jeff Lacy 3. Chris Eubank 4. Robin Reid 5. Maybe Charles Brewer, Omar Sheika, Byron Mitchell or Mario Veit? Not sure. Admittedly I didn not follow Jeff Lacy when he was coming up. That having been said the guys has looked as slow as a bag of bricks in every fight I have seen him including the uninspired performance against manfredo. I don't think Jeff Lacy is any good... your thoughts? Also.. Mario Veit? He's a beer hall fighter in Germany. I know you didn't put him high... but c'mon.

You really think Eubank is better than Kessler? Are you serious? How? Wha? JUst, because Calzaghe wasn't favored when the fight took place does not make Eubank better than Kessler. Look at this way. Miranda was favored when he fought Pavlik. Pavlik will be favored when he fights Abraham (probably), that does not make Miranda better than Abraham. Yes, I feel he's better than Kessler, he was 31 when he fought Calzaghe, he fought Collins twice, both fights can be argued that he won, he then went on to Cruiserweight and lost a disputed decision to Thompson and his last lost was because of a badly swollen eye while he was leading on the cards.

Eubanks career achievements dwarf that of Kessler at the moment

1. Eubank 2. Kessler 3. Reid 4. Lacy 5. Sheika I'm really not sure who should be at 5 though. You really think Eubank is better than Kessler? Are you serious? How? Wha? JUst, because Calzaghe wasn't favored when the fight took place does not make Eubank better than Kessler. Look at this way. Miranda was favored when he fought Pavlik. Pavlik will be favored when he fights Abraham (probably), that does not make Miranda better than Abraham.

Reids prime was the late nineties - 2000 the lacy fight was in 2005, Reid was way past it then

The only losses Reid had on his record after the Calzaghe fight was a clear loss to Branco RIGHT after the close fight with Calzaghe. Then he had that 'loss' against Ottke. He was still a highly ranked fighter so it counts for Lacy.

The only losses Reid had on his record after the Calzaghe fight was a clear loss to Branco RIGHT after the close fight with Calzaghe. Then he had that 'loss' against Ottke. He was still a highly ranked fighter so it counts for Lacy.