Hardest part of being Calzaghe fan?

If calzaghe does lose which UK fighter are you going to start to shit on next? because they seems to be a reccuring theme on these forums. The fact is yes Calz could have fought better opposition but there wasn't anybody in his division to put up that great of a threat. When you start moving up and down divisions you greatly reduce you're longevity, and for calzaghe not doing that is probably the best thing he could have done as he is still top of his game at 35 years old, he hasn't had to adapt for a lack of speed or for losing his chin as he's still as good as he was 10 years ago albeit with abit less power due to his wrists. Hopkins and Calzaghes career are pretty similar if you look at it both 10 year division champions both fought iffy opponents but both have a few good wins the only real difference is that hopkins in alot further along in his career and to be honest he's suffered abit because of that. I don't shit on UK fighters. I criticize Mayweather's Welterweight campain(not his prewelter career), and i'm a big fan of Ricky Hatton b/c he makes moves that put him at risk.. fighting in America/jumping up in weight.. It's the low risk fighters with the big followings that generally recieve the most flack on these forums. So know, this is not some conspiracy to bash European fighters.

If calzaghe does lose which UK fighter are you going to start to shit on next? because they seems to be a reccuring theme on these forums. The fact is yes Calz could have fought better opposition but there wasn't anybody in his division to put up that great of a threat. When you start moving up and down divisions you greatly reduce you're longevity, and for calzaghe not doing that is probably the best thing he could have done as he is still top of his game at 35 years old, he hasn't had to adapt for a lack of speed or for losing his chin as he's still as good as he was 10 years ago albeit with abit less power due to his wrists. Hopkins and Calzaghes career are pretty similar if you look at it both 10 year division champions both fought iffy opponents but both have a few good wins the only real difference is that hopkins in alot further along in his career and to be honest he's suffered abit because of that. Good Point. But in all honesty where ever you see Mr Warren you'll see low threat opponents. But no discredit to Calzaghe as I feel he is a true champion even though he hasn't felt the urge to dabble in other weight divisions. But with Hopkins he doesn't really gain much as if he beats him the critics will just reply with "Hopkins was on the wrong side of the hill"... I think for Calzaghe to get the respect he deserves and craves he'll have to do more than beat todays Hopkins... But with saying that if its another "lacy" landslide then it'll be a very interesting time on these forums the following morning but then question arises who next?

If calzaghe does lose which UK fighter are you going to start to shit on next? because they seems to be a reccuring theme on these forums. The fact is yes Calz could have fought better opposition but there wasn't anybody in his division to put up that great of a threat. When you start moving up and down divisions you greatly reduce you're longevity, and for calzaghe not doing that is probably the best thing he could have done as he is still top of his game at 35 years old, he hasn't had to adapt for a lack of speed or for losing his chin as he's still as good as he was 10 years ago albeit with abit less power due to his wrists. Hopkins and Calzaghes career are pretty similar if you look at it both 10 year division champions both fought iffy opponents but both have a few good wins the only real difference is that hopkins in alot further along in his career and to be honest he's suffered abit because of that.

sometimes you do not need to have done something to prove you are the best. america is probably the world power in terms of arms right? does that mean they will fight russia or another big nuclear country to prove it? although calzaghe's resume is not the best, neither are a lot of boxers either. it's not like a league system where every boxer in the division is put with another. there are many variants in boxing that have made big fights and not made big fights. money, promotoers and ego's have a huge part to play. also the era too. for me i feel a boxer has a good 5-7 year peak. sometimes thats not enough time for ebery fighter to meet. espeically considering losing a match could mean losing your stock if you are undefeated. that being said, i know calz is a great fighter but hasnt had the fights. even if he did fight roy or hops in their prime and his, he may have a lost, but be much more respected. I absolutely respect fighters who don't overprotect their O. More respect to a man with multiple losses and dangerous opponents than a man who constantly has to defend his "legacy."

Didn't answer my question ? How many American fighters have a title they won 10 years ago ? How many boxers have bums as you like to call them on there resume ? most champs have lesser fighters on there record, your just picking on Joe cause you don't like him. Its the same when people moan about Joe not going out of Wales to fight, why the fuck should he, he champ ffs, Mayweather hasn't left America and he gets his cock sucked all the time by fans. Of course few people can manage to hold on to a title that long. Most fighters FIGHT! Hatton would still have his O if he didn't have the stones to fight. Holding a title or being undefeated doesn't mean anything if your opposition stinks. I'm starting a thread to rank Calzaghe's opposition.

You european stans like to think Joe is great. All I'm saying is..........he is not. The word great is being thrown around too lightly these days. Sven Ottke is considered the greatest of all time right next to Ali in Germany that is. Somebody has to set you straight. sometimes you do not need to have done something to prove you are the best. america is probably the world power in terms of arms right? does that mean they will fight russia or another big nuclear country to prove it? although calzaghe's resume is not the best, neither are a lot of boxers either. it's not like a league system where every boxer in the division is put with another. there are many variants in boxing that have made big fights and not made big fights. money, promotoers and ego's have a huge part to play. also the era too. for me i feel a boxer has a good 5-7 year peak. sometimes thats not enough time for ebery fighter to meet. espeically considering losing a match could mean losing your stock if you are undefeated. that being said, i know calz is a great fighter but hasnt had the fights. even if he did fight roy or hops in their prime and his, he may have a lost, but be much more respected.

You european stans like to think Joe is great. All I'm saying is..........he is not. The word great is being thrown around too lightly these days. Sven Ottke is considered the greatest of all time right next to Ali in Germany that is. Somebody has to set you straight. Sven is an East German hero, who through political influence of the highest level (my theory) got to keep a title as long as he fought in Germany. East Germans are still not fully integrated into the 'new' Germany, their football team dissappeared, their atheletes were exposed as the drugs cheats we all new they were, so only Ottke was left . In the old eastern bloc sport used to give the people a false feeling of superiority (look at Cuba at its boxing pedigree in the amatuers) there was no way Germany was gonna let someone who took the people's minds off the economic shit they were in loose. I reckon if Mundine had finished Ottke off in that fight, he would have 'failed' a drugs test (and he may be an asshole but he's a clean one) Thats my conspiracy theory for Ottke out of the way!!

lol i am not gonna carry on with you, You need to wipe Ur mouth, too much shit is dripping out of it. You european stans like to think Joe is great. All I'm saying is..........he is not. The word great is being thrown around too lightly these days. Sven Ottke is considered the greatest of all time right next to Ali in Germany that is. Somebody has to set you straight.

numbers of title defenses can be deceiving when it 90% of your resume consists of C + fighters and guys nobody has ever heard of. Like I said, you Calzaghe stans are blinded by his unbeaten record. Once that 0 goes, it will all be clear. His resume is not of an all-time great, do not get that even twisted. I think the answer is pretty obvious. So currently he is the only one to hold a trinket for 10 years...........ok big deal. Some new fighter might be starting a 10 year reign this year and will hold a title until year 2018. Let's not lose our heads now. We get is, he is undefeated. Not a immpressive record for a 44-0 guy. I've seen fighters with 30-0 who have beaten more great fighters then he has in their respective divisions. lol i am not gonna carry on with you, You need to wipe Ur mouth, too much shit is dripping out of it.

Peter Manfredo >>>>>>> Emanuel Augustus, how's that? Mayweather didn't fight Augustus while he was the #1 prp fighter in the world. You can't even begin to compare the competitiion they've both beaten, Mayweather has cllearly beat the better opposition.

Stop slagging Calzaghe's resume which is actually good. Just because he hasn't fought across the pond doesn't mean he hasn't faced good comp. That being said I think there is still more to do and more opponents for Joe to face, and beat.

Didn't answer my question ? How many American fighters have a title they won 10 years ago ? How many boxers have bums as you like to call them on there resume ? most champs have lesser fighters on there record, your just picking on Joe cause you don't like him. Its the same when people moan about Joe not going out of Wales to fight, why the fuck should he, he champ ffs, Mayweather hasn't left America and he gets his cock sucked all the time by fans. I think the answer is pretty obvious. So currently he is the only one to hold a trinket for 10 years...........ok big deal. Some new fighter might be starting a 10 year reign this year and will hold a title until year 2018. Let's not lose our heads now. We get is, he is undefeated. Not a immpressive record for a 44-0 guy. I've seen fighters with 30-0 who have beaten more great fighters then he has in their respective divisions.

numbers of title defenses can be deceiving when it 90% of your resume consists of C + fighters and guys nobody has ever heard of. Like I said, you Calzaghe stans are blinded by his unbeaten record. Once that 0 goes, it will all be clear. His resume is not of an all-time great, do not get that even twisted. Didn't answer my question ? How many American fighters have a title they won 10 years ago ? How many boxers have bums as you like to call them on there resume ? most champs have lesser fighters on there record, your just picking on Joe cause you don't like him. Its the same when people moan about Joe not going out of Wales to fight, why the fuck should he, he champ ffs, Mayweather hasn't left America and he gets his cock sucked all the time by fans.

Peter Manfredo >>>>>>> Emanuel Augustus, how's that? Yes but at what point in his career did Floyd fight Augustus. Was he a 5-division champ and p4p # 1 at that time? Calzaghe came off of a career win against Lacy, has 20 title defenses under his belt and he picks A contender star from ESPN. Something's wrong with that picture.

Does Calzaghe have to be better than Winky to be more effective at a weight 15 pounds heavier than Winky had ever fought before? Yes he has to. What kind of tools does Joe bring to the table that people think will beat Hopkins? Workrate........it's not enough with his already queer-fighting-out-of-spider webs style. Hopkins will counter him if he doesn't get it together defenisvly and we all know he doesn't have the defense of a Winky Wright. I feel like I have exhausted this convo. I am just simply rewriting what I have already said on previous threads. Let's just wait untilt he fight so I can take your points.:banana:

Having to defend him on his choice of fighting Manfredo. Peter Manfredo >>>>>>> Emanuel Augustus, how's that?

Having to defend him on his choice of fighting Manfredo.

Hopkins is on his way out no matter what his p4p rating is. He is an inactive fighter holding on to that ranking based on wins over 2 other p4p fighters at that time. Now most of you Calzaghe stans criticise Hopkins's win over Winky ( a blown up jr.middle) and Tarver (not at his best because of weight draining) and most of you also claim that Joe is better then Winky and Tarver anyway. Then it should be no problem for Joe to move up and beat old Hopkins right? If it doesn't happen, Joe's career will not be too impressive on a All-time great scale. Just a decent european fighter who lost to the first great fighter he faced in his career. Are you trying to claim that Calzaghe is not better than Tarver? Now, let me show how silly your next giant leap of logic is: Let's say prime Ali beats two bums. If I am better than those two bums, then that means I can beat Ali? Does Calzaghe have to be better than Winky to be more effective at a weight 15 pounds heavier than Winky had ever fought before?

lol not impressive legacy haha Get a grip, hes been champ a decade, how many American boxers who are active have still got there title 10 years after winning it ? numbers of title defenses can be deceiving when it 90% of your resume consists of C + fighters and guys nobody has ever heard of. Like I said, you Calzaghe stans are blinded by his unbeaten record. Once that 0 goes, it will all be clear. His resume is not of an all-time great, do not get that even twisted.

Insults will not get you anywhere when truth is spoken. Let that be a lesson to you. You have Calzaghe winning this fight, fine....ride that train. But do not tell me that losing to Hopkins isn't a blow on his already not impressive legacy. He himself has said that Hopkins is not what he used to be and only wants one last payday. That should tell you everything. lol not impressive legacy haha Get a grip, hes been champ a decade, how many American boxers who are active have still got there title 10 years after winning it ?