LMFAO so what?? oscar would kill cotto.. you dont understand how boxing works.
Yea, cause he beat the living shit out of 2lb right?...lol
These nikkas man...wow
Hatton is a Light Welterweight and has gone up to Welterweight twice ( as far as I am aware ) and stunk the place out , I dont think you will see Hatton at Welterweight again ?
Have I missed something Mayweather v Cotto is it a done deal ?
No, people are just bored as fuck it seems, and are talking about this nonstop like it has been signed.
Roy Jones is fighting in like a week, and there haven't been many mentions about him... it's all Floyd-Cotto. (Yawn)
Hatton is a Light Welterweight and has gone up to Welterweight twice ( as far as I am aware ) and stunk the place out , I dont think you will see Hatton at Welterweight again ?
Have I missed something Mayweather v Cotto is it a done deal ?
I thought people wrote off Hatton after the Collazo fight, talkin about "Thats what happens when you come to america" etc etc. But yeah, Cotto was still makin his name back then.
But Margarito was ontop of his game back then, too. I still think he should have been in there with Mayweather on Dec 8th. Hatton got exposed against Collazo, and the only people who didnt have Mayweather KO'ing Hatton and actually thought it was a legitmate fight were Mayweather and Hatton fans lol
Just find it amazing how everyone completely forgot about the Collazo fight, but again, I forgot about the Castillo fight. People thought they had a new hero in Hatton when he beat Castillo, that fucked fucked their judgement up though lol...I think they wanted Hatton to be the real deal so bad, that they just completely ignored how aged Castillo looked. Wich ultimately lead to the hype-fest that took place before the Hatton/Mayweather fight.
I mean now, after everything thats taken place, how many top welterweights do you give Hatton a chance to beat? seriously..
Actually Margarito wasn't an option because he was looking at a cotto or Williams fight. I'm pretty sure he was already signed to fight Williams by then anyway.
Also many people didn't compare it to the Collazo fight because Collazo was a huge southpaw, who fought nothing like Floyd. Floyd wasn't supposed to be "good with dealing with pressure"
And some people did base the fight off the Collazo fight...for Ricky to be outboxed. Not knocked out. And when people figured Mayweather would win in the later rounds, people said it would be on cuts. Not knocking him down.
Hatton is good and was a credible opponent for Mayweather.
The only thing that Floyd, is going to do to Cotto, if he ever grows the balls to
get in the ring with him first off... Is run like the Bitch, that he is........ M.R.
A lot of people pointed out Castillo, and still wanted him to fight floyd. He was much more prasied then Cotto at the time.
At the time there were really only 3 options for Floyd: Fight DLH again, Fight Hatton, or fight Mosley. DLH didn't want to fight so soon or whatever. Ricky beat Castillo and called him out. And Mosley finally got off his ass when Floyd and Ricky were in negotiations.
Mayweather also called out Mosley before, but Mosley's tooth hurt.
I seriously don't see why you have to discredit for knocking out Hatton. It's a great win, when nobody, but maybe a handfew of people picked him to knock him out. He wasn't a hype job even if struggled with Collazo.
Who else, besides Cotto is Floyd supposed to fight? A soon to be 35 year old DLH, who has lost 3 (arguably 4) of his last 5 fights? Floyd is recognized as the best fighter in the world and is still in his prime. Doesn't the boxing public deserve to see the best fight the best? After the 50 million or so that said public paid Floyd for his services last year, I would say Floyd owes us that.
Well I wouldn't say he "owes" us anything, but from a fanstand point I definietly want to see it.
But yeah he is running out of options and I don't want to see him fight DLH again. I liked the first fight, but don't want to pay for the same result.
Also, Sun, it's funny how you discredit De La Hoya, but Cotto wants a huge payday with him.
Who else, besides Cotto is Floyd supposed to fight? A soon to be 35 year old DLH, who has lost 3 (arguably 4) of his last 5 fights? Floyd is recognized as the best fighter in the world and is still in his prime. Doesn't the boxing public deserve to see the best fight the best? After the 50 million or so that said public paid Floyd for his services last year, I would say Floyd owes us that.
Have you ever pondered the thought that maybe that Oscar wasn't as shot as people were saying? He previously knocked out Mayorga and trained his ass off. He gave his toughest fight, but just wasn't good enough. Mayweather landed pretty cleanly too and got passed his defense.
Also anyone could say so and so was a hype job. Also Cotto had trouble with Torres and he won. Hatton had trouble with Collazo and won. I could easily say that Cotto is overrated because he had problems with Torres. I mean Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu and beat good people. Whther you refuse to believe it or not he wasn't a hype job. He lost to the best pound for pound fighter in the world.
Shit I could say Mosley was a hypejob because he lost all his big fights except De La Hoya, who was "another hype job for beating an old JJC and an old Hector Camacho", and "so what if he beat Vargas. Vargas was ruined by DLH and Trinidad." See it's really easy to discredit a fighter.
Battering Judah was good, but he wasn't supposed to KO Hatton. He was supposed to box circles around him and UD him was the general conception. Insted he fought Hatton's fight and then ended up knocking him out. He showed a lot more diversity in skill and overcame that roughness Hatton brought and finished it.
Yes, beating Mosley looks better then Oscar, but I felt it was more "impressive" for Floyd because he beat him more soundly then Cotto beat Mosley. Likewise, it did a lot more for Cotto from a boxing fan's perspecitive because it proved his worthyness. I think Cotto deserves a shot at Mayweather and should fight him. Before the Mosley fight I'd say no, but Mosley sealed the deal. Though if he doesn't I won't say he's ducking Cotto either.
In the 2 years before he fought Cotto, Mosley had back to back wins over Vargas, essentially ending his career, and dominated Collazo, who many thought beat Hatton in their fight.
In the 2 and a half years before DLH fought Floyd....... he had ONE fight, a win over Mayorga.
Then of course you have Mosley beating Oscar in their two HTH.
Judah was at least as big a threat as Hatton at WW, based on Ricky's single poor showing at that weight.
So yeah, Mosley + Judah more impressive than DLH + Hatton.
You don't understand. You're overrating Cotto's defense (even though it's decent), underrating Floyd's accuracy and probably his power even though he doesn't hit as hard as Mosley, and extremely extremely exaggerating Cotto's win over Mosley by saying he dominated him, when he didn't.
The Mosley win for Cotto is HUGE and impressive, but he didn't dominate him like you said. Seriously, what was your scorecard?
It's because how highly Ricky Hatton was regraded is why it's more impressive then the domination of Judah, especially when Judah had a loss to Mayweather previously before that.
Ricky Hatton was undefeated and was the person who's style was "the right style to beat floyd or give him hell" Sure Mayweather was favored to win....by decision.
And Cotto barely edged out a win over Mosley. Mayweather beat him comfrontably. Sure a win over mosley could be argued it's more impressive, but he didn't beat him as comfrontably as Mayweather beat Oscar.
Seriously what was your scorecard for that fight?
And yeah Mosley was a hard hitter....at lower weight. Judah...what round did he knock out that guy on Friday night fights in september? Oh wait he didn't....
And for the record I've never discredited a fighter Mayweather has faced, and I'm not Cotto. Just pointing out the bullshit your spitting.
If they really did officially break Cotto's D, Cotto would have an L right now. Cotto's D kept him alive and kept him ahead in each fight. And if they really did break his D, they both still hit harder then Mayweather lol
This is ignorant. Emphasizing Cotto's defense is futile since his defense isn't what won those fights. He took shots to give more. Floyd hits and doesn't get hit, there's a difference. Those two fighters aren't very accurate punchers as it is.
Seriously, you have to be a dumb shit to not understand why I was comparing them .
No, the dumb ass is you for comparing them.. They are all completely different fighters and Floyd beat one of them pretty easily.
Mosley and Judah= Harder hitters then Mayweather. Cotto took em both.
He barley took Judah's shots when he WAS hit and almost got KOed! After that, Judah just stopped punching. Mosley had him bleeding, and neither of these guys are as ACCURATE as Floyd is. You have to hit someone to hurt them, hitting hard isn't enough and none of them hit Cotto enough to test his chin like Torres, Corley, and others did..
Not only that, but Mayweathers only chance and generating enough power that even resembles Mosley and Judahs power, is when his feet are set. And when his feet are set, you really wouldn't give Cotto's quick shots a chance? lol Really?? I mean, for real????
LOL @ you overexaggerating Judah and Mosley's power. I mean, they aren't exactly knock out artists, one was 36 and the other couldn't hurt Baldo, or Floyd at all, so wtf? Floyd doesn't win fights with power, are you an idiot? He's a better fighter than both these guys and is a better fighter than Cotto, all around (defense, speed/reflexes, focus, ring generalship, etc)..
And now do we see why Hatton was over-hyped?
No, only that Floyd is better than him, which I already knew. He just may be better than just about everyone else around his weight seeing as how Floyd is p4p #1.
Just for the record, lol Collazo almost did the same..
Not nearly.. He stunned Hatton in the very last round after getting beat the entire night. Conversely, Floyd was beating Hatton all night and stopped him in the 10th with 1 punch.
And for this post, lol you win this --> :dunce:
In other words, you're being a clown and have no response, so I take that as a point unrefuted.
Thats hollow, lol since it's comin from you...sorry.
Ad hominem, doesn't address anything I said.
Yeah, the sport doesn't work like that kiddo. You've officialy lost all privlages to further pretend like you're actually makin a point, lol sorry, again.
Stop being a hypocrite when all you're going to do is go right back to talking about what Mosley and Judah couldn't do as if it has any bearing on Floyd Mayweather.
lol what the fuck, seriously?
Are you sniffin model glue? You huffin that shit? You eatin paint chips or what?
Why the use of anaphora? You seem fake and are over doing it.
I said why I brought Gatti's name in the same exact post where I brought his name up!
lol You and your posse of slow asses, are trying to compare Gatti to Cotto throughout the forum. lmao Like Cotto should be mentioned along the lines of Gatti.
Cotto and gatti are nothing alike, I've never compared them, but I just notice a lot of people bringing that fight as a point of ridicule like it means something or takes away.
(I'm kinda bashin Gatti pretty bad, the dude was a beast and an all out tough guy, but c'mon, Cotto is somthin completely different. I got more respect for Arturro then it looks like right now lol)
Ok..
lmao "why? why? why? why?"
You sure do ask alot of questions for a guy that's tryin to say he knows somthin.
Actually, I'm asking YOU questions, trying to figure out what goes on in that strange mind of yours.:)
lol Now this is just for the suggestion box, but maybe you should actually read the fuckin posts to help with you with you're never ending list of fuckin questions, just an idea, just a lil thought cloud for the handicap, just a lil idea, a lil suggestion.
I swear on my life that you people cannot cooperate and answer questions like a man for shit. It only tells me that you people aren't on a level to debate anything with me, so I have no idea why some of you don't just ignore me since my logical way of getting to the bottom of things is obviously too intimidating. None of my questions ever get answered and I get insulted because they're too stupid to answer their own nonsense.
Again, why do you keep bringing up Judah when he was Floyd's leftovers?
I mean no one likes repeating themselves just to help the slow people understand, and I must admit, I am one of those people who doesn't like repeating himself..lol I Gotta be honest you know?
Being honest is half the battle- G.I. Joes
I also admit that maybe you should repeat yourself, but for your own benefit since you're probably the 2nd slowest in this thread, next to the 2501 character.
Mosley and Judah outweigh Hatton and Oscar.
Judah outweighs Oscar?!!!! Mosley outweighs Oscar? I'm done..:lol1: Nothing else to see here people, this guy's an idiot.:)
come on how willl cotto hurt floyd?
against the ropes? no (pbf vs oscar)
middle of the ring? HELL NO! (if judah couldnt how can cotto)
naw, im saying that Floyd wont give him a chance to hurt him. Cotto has power. No doubt about that. Would Cotto be the most vicious and accurate body puncher Floyd has faced? Arguably. If you're familiar with Cotto's history, he's never really been one to smother his punches when he has his opponent on the ropes or in the corner. He's normally within his arm's reach. Floyd wont give him that position in my opinion. This would be a fight where he will prolly box MORE than he did against Oscar. Floyd reads his opponents in the first 2 rounds or so. After the 3rd round, he already knows what his opponent can and cant do, how strong he is, his weaknesses, movements, likes, dislikes, blood type, position on abortion and thoughts on L. Henkin's "A Theory of Propositional Types", etc. If he feels that Cotto can be threat to his well being and perfect record, he will show him the respect he didnt show Hatton in the ring.
What the fuck is this shit above me?
If they really did officially break Cotto's D, Cotto would have an L right now. Cotto's D kept him alive and kept him ahead in each fight. And if they really did break his D, they both still hit harder then Mayweather lol
What the fuck? Cotto outgunned Judah by a mile and Mosley in some of the earlier rounds which built him up points. They still got him at times and his defense isn't that good.
And Floyd didn't even dominate Oscar, Cotto dominated both Judah and Mosley though.
Dominated Mosley? WHAT THE....Mosley was very competetive for this fight and Cotto didn't dominate him at all. Floyd beat Oscar more then Cotto beat Mosley and a knockout victory is a lot more impressive then a victory over Judah.
Yeah, the asset of having his cock down your throat. Cotto beat the guy that beat Oscar two times, not by knocking him down...but BY OUTJABBING him.
When has Mosley had a stiff powerful jab? His jab is a range finder for the overhand right.