He did come back at lightweight, and beat Pacquiao and Juan Diaz, instead of Cotto and Williams at welterweight (assuming he would have won against all of those guys)?
You still have an undefeated prospect in Juan Diaz, much like Williams, except that he has accomplished a lot more in the lightweight division than Paul has in the welterweight division, which is not to say that Paul won't accomplish more, but as of now...
Pacquiao is quite a bit more accomplished than Cotto as well... he beat Morales twice, Barrera twice, and drew with Marquez. This is assuming he beats Marquez in his upcoming fight to (I know, there are a lot of what-if's in this scenario, just bear with me).
Would you all downgrade him for beating these two at 135?
I wouldn't lose respect for him either way. Pac man is a bigger fight, he makes more money fighting him than he does Cotto, so it would make sense for him to the bigger money fight, although I would prefer to see him fight Cotto.
He may have some hesitation about fighting welterweights because those guys are naturally bigger guys than he is. If he walks around at 149 and is fighting Cotto, Williams, or Margarito, who presumably walk around at least a cool 15 to 25 pounds more, I think that would be something to be concerned about. Particularly for a guy who is on his way out of the sport, who has accomplished alot, and who has had a history of hand problems. He'd need to really use those hands against bigger guys and punch hard! I'd be concerned about the fact that these guys are gonna be bigger stronger guys than me, though none of them are more skilled than he is. Paul Williams is the main one I'd be concerned about, hes 6+ feet, has 12" longer reacher and is overall a much larger and stronger guy.
Racquaio puts on fourteen pounds after weigh-in. And I think he is actually LEANER than FMJ.
Some people dehydrate a lot easier than others though. I seriously doubt Floyd would ever lose more than 10 pounds in water weight. Pac looks leaner than Floyd, but without weighing him in water, it's impossible to judge intramuscular fat content. People that blow up in between fights tend to have a lot more of this type of fat.
I'd lose a little respect, because it does seem like he's ducking Cotto...He knows Cotto is an undefeated star right now, so there's no reason not to fight him if he really wants to fight the best out there unless he sees something in Cotto that he'd have trouble with...on the other hand I'd pay to see Pacman vs. FM anyday.
makes no difference to me. he may be p4p #1 but i would rather shove a flaming hot poker up my peehole than watch him fight. he is the single most boring boxer i have ever seen. but then again modern boxing is like an episode of the golden girls compared to mma.
You should try watching some boxing sometime.
If Mayweather is the most boring you have ever seen, then your boxing knowledge is limited as fuck.
Obviously you missed Taylor-Spinks and Mayweather-Hatton, because there is no way that you could say Taylor-Spinks was less boring.
makes no difference to me. he may be p4p #1 but i would rather shove a flaming hot poker up my peehole than watch him fight. he is the single most boring boxer i have ever seen. but then again modern boxing is like an episode of the golden girls compared to mma.
He's coming out with these bullshit proposals (fighting at lightweight, MMA, joining the Village People) as a way of trying to remain in the limelight. unfortunately for Floyd, he will be forgotten all too easily when he finally does disappear; and he hates the thought of that.
Floyd was 137 1/2 fn vs Chavez, so he makes 140 with his eyes closed. He does look a lot bigger now than he did at 130 and 135, so 135 might be a little tough, but he could do it. Pac, Guzman and then Juan (to give him time to continue to get better) at 135, would be a pretty decent run.
I don't care. He can do whatever the hell he wants. My enjoyment of boxing doesn't revolve around Mayweather. I'd watch him fight a lot of guys, and I think he doesn't belong at 147 anyway. He can stay, he can go back down. he can do whatever the hell he wants.
IMO the only thing less likely than Floyd fighting at 135 again is him fighting in a real MMA match. It seems that people are reaching for incredible stories during the boxing drought as the year ends.
Yeah, I mean, it's obviously not going to happen, I was just curious what everyone thought of it. One of those hypotheticals.
IMO the only thing less likely than Floyd fighting at 135 again is him fighting in a real MMA match. It seems that people are reaching for incredible stories during the boxing drought as the year ends.
So everyone in the sport drops down two weightclasses from what they fight at?
I can see the argument being made about Floyd coming from these lower weights, and that he's not really heavy at Welter. But the man is in constant training, in top shape every day of the year.
The man has absolutely no weight to lose. It's not like he can drop 10 pounds of fat like Ricky Hatton can before fighting.
So my question still stands, why would he kill himself to make weight so he can fight those smaller guys?
I can dig that he drops down 5-7 pounds to fight Pacman, but doesn't really understand why he would bother when he got all kinds of challenges around him at Welter.
Oh, and Floyd would whoop Pacman and anyone else at lower weights.
Dude, everyone kills themself to make weight if that's what you call it. It's called dehydrating yourself... that is how fighters blow up close to 20 pounds overnight. Floyd doesn't dehydrate himself at all, so he could easily make 140, and probably 135 if he wanted to.
Well this is purely hypothetical too... Obviously it isn't going to happen, but Dios's gag article actually made me think that it was an interesting concept if it ever happened.
Because that's what everyone else in the sport does...?
Keep in mind how big they blow up on fight night, compared to how Floyd stays the same. It's not like he would have a HUGE size advantage, it would be pretty minor IMO.
So everyone in the sport drops down two weightclasses from what they fight at?
I can see the argument being made about Floyd coming from these lower weights, and that he's not really heavy at Welter. But the man is in constant training, in top shape every day of the year.
The man has absolutely no weight to lose. It's not like he can drop 10 pounds of fat like Ricky Hatton can before fighting.
So my question still stands, why would he kill himself to make weight so he can fight those smaller guys?
I can dig that he drops down 5-7 pounds to fight Pacman, but doesn't really understand why he would bother when he got all kinds of challenges around him at Welter.
Oh, and Floyd would whoop Pacman and anyone else at lower weights.
Yes, he would lose much respect from me. Why would the man kill himself to make weight so he could fight those smaller men?
Because that's what everyone else in the sport does...?
Keep in mind how big they blow up on fight night, compared to how Floyd stays the same. It's not like he would have a HUGE size advantage, it would be pretty minor IMO.
Yes, he would lose much respect from me. Why would the man kill himself to make weight so he could fight those smaller men?
he said he only walks around at 149, why not go to 140 or 135...everybody else does it
My respect for Floyd would be the same, but it wouldn't make sense. He hasn't faced the best of the WW division, he still has something to prove.
On the other hand a fight with Pacquiao would be epic.
I agree with you... If he does actually go after the two I cited in the first post, I think their better resumes would make up for the advantages Floyd gets for fighting at a lower weight.
I wish he had time to do both, because that would prove A LOT.
My respect for Floyd would be the same, but it wouldn't make sense. He hasn't faced the best of the WW division, he still has something to prove.
On the other hand a fight with Pacquiao would be epic.