Does Pavlik Make Your Top 10 P4P List?

He doesn't make mine (check the sig). I think that just cuz he got a lucky punch while Taylor was up on the scorecards doesn't mean shit. Like Pavlik said in his interview "anyone would go down from that shot." It wasn't nothing but a lucky shot, and you'll see that when Taylor gets the W on Pavlik in their re-match. i love how your bias leads you to rank jt above pavlik even after he got ktfo by him. yeah he has more natural talent, but pavlik is the stronger fighter with more heart and a good head on his shoulders. pavlik is the better man. and good call on pacman number one, your list is complete shit bcuz your bias bleeds way into what should be a somewhat objective ranking. and are you are tarver fan or what? i hate to be a dick but worst p4p list ever

:grr: Gimme all your points and I will let you live........ What did he say that was so bad? The truth?

my list has less to do with accomplisments(although considered) than skill as compared to others in their division. Well.. that's.. cool I guess. To each his or her own.

True. Doesn't mean their list is any good either. I can see you like the guy. But wouldn't it make it cooler for you to put him on the list when he ACTUALLY deserves it? Skill alone or potential alone don't make up for actual accomplishments. You gotta do it, not be able to do it. He has no BIG wins other than against a relatively smaller guy, has a WORLD championship, I'll give him that. Other than that, his only other big step up, he lost due to under-training. He's still has less than 20 fights, so has a lot of unanswered questions. I just don't think it's very easy to argue for him to be on the list. That's all. my list has less to do with accomplisments(although considered) than skill as compared to others in their division.

I hate to talk trash but I have to agree. The bottom half of that list it just...mucked up. Cotto after Pavlik? Sure, Kelly beat Jermain Taylor. Who...doesn't even belong on a top ten list for most of us...so...I mean.... Among other problems that I saw that stuck out the most to me. :grr: Gimme all your points and I will let you live........

who cares what my k is. its imaginery. I have opinions, and if everyone doesn't agree, good, that doesn't really matter. All i'm just saying is that you like giving bad k's that's why so many peeps are giving you bad k's in return. If you don't care about it, why give bad k at all.

haye is a cruserweight(natural heavyweight) and he has the hand speed and body movement of a jr.middleweight and the power of a heavyweight. he is the #1 cruserweight right now, so why is it such a stretch for him to be on this list? alot of the ppl on alot of ppl's p4p lists haven't beaten top10 p4p fighters. True. Doesn't mean their list is any good either. I can see you like the guy. But wouldn't it make it cooler for you to put him on the list when he ACTUALLY deserves it? Skill alone or potential alone don't make up for actual accomplishments. You gotta do it, not be able to do it. He has no BIG wins other than against a relatively smaller guy, has a WORLD championship, I'll give him that. Other than that, his only other big step up, he lost due to under-training. He's still has less than 20 fights, so has a lot of unanswered questions. I just don't think it's very easy to argue for him to be on the list. That's all.

I hate to talk trash but I have to agree. The bottom half of that list it just...mucked up. Cotto after Pavlik? Sure, Kelly beat Jermain Taylor. Who...doesn't even belong on a top ten list for most of us...so...I mean.... Among other problems that I saw that stuck out the most to me. :grr: Gimme all your points and I will let you live.......

No wonder your karma bar is RED :lol1: who cares what my k is. its imaginery. I have opinions, and if everyone doesn't agree, good, that doesn't really matter.

Your 5-10 is absolutely horrible. I hate to talk trash but I have to agree. The bottom half of that list it just...mucked up. Cotto after Pavlik? Sure, Kelly beat Jermain Taylor. Who...doesn't even belong on a top ten list for most of us...so...I mean.... Among other problems that I saw that stuck out the most to me.

Okay.. So, he KO'd someone who wasn't top 10, possibly not even top 20 p4p. And that gets him in the top 10, p4p? haye is a cruserweight(natural heavyweight) and he has the hand speed and body movement of a jr.middleweight and the power of a heavyweight. he is the #1 cruserweight right now, so why is it such a stretch for him to be on this list? alot of the ppl on alot of ppl's p4p lists haven't beaten top10 p4p fighters.

Lol.. I thought the slight-cheating made it cooler. Lol.LOL I have to agree. MAY HIS SOUL REST IN PEACE. Chico was one koo doo.

Got it. He got almost ko'ed in the second round but was ablte to recover and ko'ed bad intention later. That for me is his greatest achievement which is just a step lower that what chico achieved against castillo which I think is the greatest comeback of all time bar mouthpiece spitting lol. Lol.. I thought the slight-cheating made it cooler. Lol.

I have you a bad k for this list. I didn't see that you remade the list. No wonder your karma bar is RED :lol1:

No. I never said he wouldn't. I asked why people think Pavlik had such an easy time. He didn't. I made a bet on the fight, but it was more for the hell of it. I am not saying Pavlik will lose, I'm just using the same criteria I do for all fights. Taylor does have the tools to beat Pavlik. That's all.Got it. He got almost ko'ed in the second round but was ablte to recover and ko'ed bad intention later. That for me is his greatest achievement which is just a step lower that what chico achieved against castillo which I think is the greatest comeback of all time bar mouthpiece spitting lol.

1. Wladimir Klitschko 2. Antonio Margarito 3. Golden Johnson 4. Joshua Clottey 5. Santa Cruz 6. David Haye 7. Antonio Tarver 8. Antonio Margarito Again (Since he is the most feared man) 9. Chris John 10. Cory Spinks I have you a bad k for this list. I didn't see that you remade the list.

yes, he ko'd jean-marc mormeck. he's earned this spot. Okay.. So, he KO'd someone who wasn't top 10, possibly not even top 20 p4p. And that gets him in the top 10, p4p?

you wanna bet all your points on that? No. I never said he wouldn't. I asked why people think Pavlik had such an easy time. He didn't. I made a bet on the fight, but it was more for the hell of it. I am not saying Pavlik will lose, I'm just using the same criteria I do for all fights. Taylor does have the tools to beat Pavlik. That's all.

Provided he gets passed Taylor. It's not like he was in the easiest fight of his career.you wanna bet all your points on that?

You have David Haye? That's.... nice. yes, he ko'd jean-marc mormeck. he's earned this spot.