Muhammad Ali vs Tommy Hearns?

Seems like this thread is all about pete and slicksouthpaw agruing over something that doesnt matter We're arguing about boxing, as that is what this is, a boxing forum.

the anouncer anounced him as a future hall of famer when he fought Elvir Mirique on showtime. the reason why he is in the hall of fame is because he is a 4 time light heavyweight champion.Oh my God! The announcer said so! Forgive me, Lord I have seen the light! Sorry if that doesn't change my opinion too much. A 4 time Light Heavyweight champ, wow, against an old Jones and a guy who beat an old Jones as his top competition. Nah Dawson would crush Woods..lol. again, woods is the IBF champion. can you get any more elite? Yes, by beating top fighters. Woods is good, not elite. Johnson is not, and has never been elite at any point in his career. He was good but not elite back then. i doubt that the early Hopkins would be as dominate as prime Hopkins. i have never seen Roy deal with hard pressure in his prime against an elite fighter who was naturally a pressure fighter. How many elite, natural, prime pressure fighters were around his weight class in his day? The ones he fought, the ones as good or better than Glenn Johnson, he beat. The argument is not whether he would've beaten a great pressure fighter in their prime, it's whether or not he would've beaten Glenn Johnson. And by saying you never saw how Roy would deal with an elite pressure fighter in his prime, you ruin your theory when you say that was the way to beat Jones.

Seems like this thread is all about pete and slicksouthpaw agruing over something that doesnt matter

Tarver is no hall of famer, that is for sure. He is remembered for beating an old Jones and beating the other guy who beat old Jones. Not that impressive. Johnson and Tarver live off victories over an old Jones and each other. the anouncer anounced him as a future hall of famer when he fought Elvir Mirique on showtime. the reason why he is in the hall of fame is because he is a 4 time light heavyweight champion. As I said, Woods is a good fighter, just not elite, he is nowhere near the best LHW in the world, unless you're gonna say he's better than Dawson in order to win this argument. Which, knowing you, you probably will. Nah Dawson would crush Woods..lol. again, woods is the IBF champion. can you get any more elite? He was very good, a lot better than Glenn Johnson. It was not a prime Hopkins, but that is not my point. My point is he was an effective pressure fighter at that stage, and a better fighter than Glenn Johnson. Jones dealt very well with pressure in his prime, it's when he was old and past his best, losing his reflexes and timing, that he was unable to not only deal with pressure, but also ordinary fighters like Tarver who he would've destroyed in his prime. He was good but not elite back then. i doubt that the early Hopkins would be as dominate as prime Hopkins. i have never seen Roy deal with hard pressure in his prime against an elite fighter who was naturally a pressure fighter.

Clinton woods is the current IBF champion right now. and Tarver is already a canidate to be in the hall of fame in the future. hes a 4 time light heavyweight champ.Tarver is no hall of famer, that is for sure. He is remembered for beating an old Jones and beating the other guy who beat old Jones. Not that impressive. Johnson and Tarver live off victories over an old Jones and each other. As I said, Woods is a good fighter, just not elite, he is nowhere near the best LHW in the world, unless you're gonna say he's better than Dawson in order to win this argument. Which, knowing you, you probably will. that was the early stage of his career when he was not that good. when he started to box and get his ora down, thats when he became middleweight champ and dominating the division. he was still green when he fought Roy.He was very good, a lot better than Glenn Johnson. It was not a prime Hopkins, but that is not my point. My point is he was an effective pressure fighter at that stage, and a better fighter than Glenn Johnson. Jones dealt very well with pressure in his prime, it's when he was old and past his best, losing his reflexes and timing, that he was unable to not only deal with pressure, but also ordinary fighters like Tarver who he would've destroyed in his prime.

Johnson has a win over the same overrated Tarver who beat the same old Roy Jones that Johnson beat. Clinton Woods is nowhere near an elite fighter. A good one? Yes. An elite one? No. Also, Woods was the only top win he had before he faced Jones, there is nothing even close to elite about that. Especially considering he went 8-8-2 after losing to Hopkins. Clinton woods is the current IBF champion right now. and Tarver is already a canidate to be in the hall of fame in the future. hes a 4 time light heavyweight champ. that was the early stage of his career when he was not that good. when he started to box and get his ora down, thats when he became middleweight champ and dominating the division. he was still green when he fought Roy.

sweet pete u talk to much bro Ali wud hurt hearns LOL, perhaps you missed the point of the thread.

sweet pete u talk to much bro Ali wud hurt hearns

I don't think I've ever agreed with slicksouthpaw16 on anything. I agree his arguments are full of twisting of words and he's very close minded. Plus you seem to think that replying to everything makes you 'win arguments' just because you're willing to type a lot? Well that's just denying a lost argument. I like you because you don't always go into flame wars(Although I don't know why I had you on the edge when you had to keep posting that 'owned' icon: out of character) but please, stop thinking that you have more knowledge on Boxing than everybody and you gotta stop being so biased/close minded. you are stuck in your own opinion and is not open to others. when i try to have you see it my way, you always jump on the defensive and act like its a competition. its not like that, at least try to understand what i have to say first instead of just saying that im wrong all the time. other than that, you are a good poster with good knowledge. so is Sweet Pete. We just never agree..lol

again, Dawson has the better pure boxing skills and is bigger than Roy. He may be a bit bigger, but nowhere near the boxing skills and abilities of a prime Jones. You act like speed, athleticism, power, and talent don't play into a fight at all, which is so off it's laughable, especially considering you're one who believes Roy was not that good a technical boxer.

Johnson has win over prime Tarver and Clinton Woods. id say hes elite.Johnson has a win over the same overrated Tarver who beat the same old Roy Jones that Johnson beat. Clinton Woods is nowhere near an elite fighter. A good one? Yes. An elite one? No. Also, Woods was the only top win he had before he faced Jones, there is nothing even close to elite about that. Especially considering he went 8-8-2 after losing to Hopkins. Hopkins was not attacking Roy like a normal pressure fighter would because it is out of his character to do it. Hopkins is more of a boxer himself. thats why Roy out boxed him easily because Hopkins at times would go back to his old ways and try to box with Roy.As Parody already said, at that early stage of Hopkins's career, he was more of a pressure fighter, and even at this stage and any stage of his career, Hopkins has shown very good inside skills and effective aggression. A lot better than someone like Glenn Johnson, that's for sure.

Lol...I'm a fan of Chad Dawson but I'm talking about a Prime Roy, who was Quicker, Stronger and a better boxer than Dawson. Dawson is the future but Roy was the better fighter. again, Dawson has the better pure boxing skills and is bigger than Roy.

Dawson is the better pure boxer and is bigger than Roy What is your point? Johnson was never a top or elite fighter before he faced an old Roy, but he beat him by applying that same type of pressure. A prime Roy Jones was quite a bit different, as shown in that video. Johnson has win over prime Tarver and Clinton Woods. id say hes elite. Hopkins didn't bring hounding pressure, he brought the smart, calculated pressure you're talking about, and still got throughly outboxed. A guy with the style of Johnson would've gotten taken out just like a Brannon or a Merqui Sosa. Hopkins was not attacking Roy like a normal pressure fighter would because it is out of his character to do it. Hopkins is more of a boxer himself. thats why Roy out boxed him easily because Hopkins at times would go back to his old ways and try to box with Roy.

I don't think I've ever agreed with slicksouthpaw16 on anything. I agree his arguments are full of twisting of words and he's very close minded. Plus you seem to think that replying to everything makes you 'win arguments' just because you're willing to type a lot? Well that's just denying a lost argument. I like you because you don't always go into flame wars(Although I don't know why I had you on the edge when you had to keep posting that 'owned' icon: out of character) but please, stop thinking that you have more knowledge on Boxing than everybody and you gotta stop being so biased/close minded.Agreed there, and with most everything else as well. Not a bad kid, but not as knowledgable as he'd like to think.

I don't think I've ever agreed with slicksouthpaw16 on anything. I agree his arguments are full of twisting of words and he's very close minded. Plus you seem to think that replying to everything makes you 'win arguments' just because you're willing to type a lot? Well that's just denying a lost argument. I like you because you don't always go into flame wars(Although I don't know why I had you on the edge when you had to keep posting that 'owned' icon: out of character) but please, stop thinking that you have more knowledge on Boxing than everybody and you gotta stop being so biased/close minded.

ok two completly different fighters. Dawson does not only rely on speed . hes a masterful pure boxer on top of the speed. he would know how to deal with Johnson.Roy was much faster with much better movement and boxing in his prime than Chad Dawson. To say otherewise shows a severe lack of brain cells. He would know how to deal with Dawson? That's all you can come up with? LOL! i seen the dudes name and turn it off. i automatically knew that he was a no name and was never elite. we can't take any infromation from that fight. What is your point? Johnson was never a top or elite fighter before he faced an old Roy, but he beat him by applying that same type of pressure. A prime Roy Jones was quite a bit different, as shown in that video. give me a top and elite fighter that put pressure on Roy. it was out of Hopkins character to bring pressure so he failed.What does the bolded sentence even mean? Or are you just trying to twist a bunch of words together to act like you know what you're talking about and confuse me? Hopkins didn't bring hounding pressure, he brought the smart, calculated pressure you're talking about, and still got throughly outboxed. A guy with the style of Johnson would've gotten taken out just like a Brannon or a Merqui Sosa.

So using that logic...Johnson beats Dawson? ok two completly different fighters. Dawson does not only rely on speed . hes a masterful pure boxer on top of the speed. he would know how to deal with Johnson. plus hes a slick southpaw. Again, watch it this time. http://youtube.com/watch?v=r6d0WOk-QuU LOL! i seen the dudes name and turn it off. i automatically knew that he was a no name and was never elite. we can't take any infromation from that fight. give me a top and elite fighter that put pressure on Roy. it was out of Hopkins character to bring pressure so he failed.

Exactly, walk through thier shots, keep up the work rate, and stay on them all night like white on rice. thats the style to beat a speed fighter, prime or not. Again, watch it this time. http://youtube.com/watch?v=r6d0WOk-QuU

So are you saying that Glen Johnson always had the style to beat Roy Jones, even when he was in his Prime? Exactly, walk through thier shots, keep up the work rate, and stay on them all night like white on rice. thats the style to beat a speed fighter, prime or not.

you should know that styles makes fights. Glen Johnson was bringing smart pressure and walking through Roys shots. thats the way to beat a speed fighter. Hopkins, McCallum, Hill, or Toney did not bring pressure on Roy and make him fight. its obvious :ugh: The way to beat Ali was shown in his fight with Trevor Berbick. The way to beat Ray Leonard was shown in his fight with Camacho. The way to beat Duran was shown in his fights with Vinny Paz. The way to beat Ray Robinsonm was shown in his fight with Joey Archer. The way to beat Whitaker was shown in his fight with Borjourquez. Or maybe they were just past their primes, kinda like Jones was when Johnson beat him. That was not smart pressure, that was constant hounding of a fighter who no longer had the abilities he used to. Watch Roy Jones vs Brant Brannon if you wanna see how a prime Jones deals with that kind of fighter. http://youtube.com/watch?v=r6d0WOk-QuU And yeah, Hopkins brought constant pressure, have you seen the fight?