It's just not possible. He has the best pure boxing skills maybe ever. No boxer alive right now comes close, that's for sure.
I keep seeing posts on who their prototypical boxer or boxing style is to beat PBF. Just stop, there is no outboxing him. He can fight on the outside, inside, wherever. He'll feast on you whether you are aggressive or play it defensively. He's faced every style now, and has come out on top every time.
The only way knock him TFO. And even that will take a one in a million punch.
It's just not possible. He has the best pure boxing skills maybe ever. No boxer alive right now comes close, that's for sure.
I keep seeing posts on who their prototypical boxer or boxing style is to beat PBF. Just stop, there is no outboxing him. He can fight on the outside, inside, wherever. He'll feast on you whether you are aggressive or play it defensively. He's faced every style now, and has come out on top every time.
The only way knock him TFO. And even that will take a one in a million punch.
thats ageneralized statement he has never fought a guy who lived and died on his boxing skills, it would be interesting to see him fight someone like that see if he could be the aggressor.
How would Floyd do it? Explain. Hearns had a far better reach, his punches were just as fast, he had WAY better power to keep Floyd at bay, and his jab was one of the very best ever. What does Floyd do? Hearns was outboxing Leonard pretty handily, who is better than Floyd at everything other than defense. Please tell me Floyd's approach to even fighting Hearns.
see thats what I mean. You guys are talking about 2 totally different things then me and thats not fair. Your talking about a straight WW matchup and Im talking about P4P. Thats how people always try to judge Floyd and its not fair at all. Manny Steward use to say that "Floyd is good but he's not great like everyone says. I wouldnt even think about putting him in the class of SRL & Hearns". Then I also read articles about how Hearns or SRL would kill Floyd.
Then I always fire back like this. People are looking at the fight as a WW thing and thats not fair. I said that if your going to compare Floyd vs those guys then you have to do it in a P4P sense or at the least you have to give Floyd more fights to fill in as a WW. Steward was saying that during the Oscar fight. Ofcourse Floyd isnt going to look as good as Hearns & SRL when they were natural WW's who starterd there career's there and finished at LHW while Floyd started at 130 and moved up unaturally. If you judge them in a P4P sense then Floyd definatly is right there with them. If your going to be fair then you would have to compare them at WW to Floyd at 130 and he more then compares with them. Isnt that true? Then you look at the fact that Floyd did much better at the higher weights then those guys did, much better. Like you and alot of others say, SRL was way better then Floyd at everything except D. No he wasnt. You say that because your judging them as WW's and SRL was huge there while its Floyd's 4th division. Is SRL faster at WW then Floyd is at 130? Does he hit harder at WW then Floyd did at 130? Floyd was stopping everyone back then. Is he faster or hit harder at SMW then Floyd at WW? No way again.
Its so unfair when people do that. Thats why when I talk about the Hearns boxing, I made it clear that I was talking about P4P. How can you judge Floyd straight up when he came into the ring for all his WW fights at 146 and Hearns was like 162 and natural? If you say P4P who is the better pure boxer then what would you say? Floyd is better then Hearns. If Floyd had started his career at WW and was natural there like he was at 130 then your telling me that you dont think Floyd can box with Hearns? You dont think his power & speed would be where SRL's is? Remember when I said that if your going to judge them just at WW then to wait for Floyd to atleast grow some more. The good thing is that Floyd is finally starting to do that. He's much healthier now at the weight then he was against Zab & Baldy. He'll never be a real WW, let alone a big one but you can already see him now being close to SRL & Hearns. He probally wouldnt beat them but he is close to them when he's at his 4th weight and clearly isnt a real WW so he has to be tied or better then them in a P4P sense and has to be tied or better then Hearns as a pure boxer in a P4P sense. Again, I think he's better
Mayweather would not outbox Hearns, that's preposterous.
Williams I truly believe would decision Mayweather comfortably. Floyd is a tremendous boxer, don't get me wrong, but he has always had the luxury of beating on smaller or limited opposition who were tailor made for the loss.
Williams is a huge exception. Williams would be favored, or should be by those who know boxing (Steward, etc). Floyd would be on the outside of Williams eating that jab and combos all night. It would be Floyd who would be dwarfed and would have to take the risks. He has never been close to being in such a problematic situation. And Williams is no fluke, he is a beast, smart, tough, can fight when cut, great endurance, non stop punches, slaps mixed with power. I can see no way in hell Mayweather can deal with Williams.
Seriously, Williams, though hsi career is incomplete, he could be the all-time best welterwegiht champ. Robinson, Duran, Leoanrd would all be in an awful mess trying to deal with Paul Williams IMO. Hearns v Williams would be Paul's toughest test. Paul Williams humble personality belies what a great effective and talented fighter he is.
:ugh: ugh.. De La Hoya almost did and lost by a a round on each scorecard.
Lol @ Kaczmarec giving Oscar the 10th round. That was some seriously shady judging on his part.
PBF outboxs anyone ever and thats a fact.
Can't they do some kind of test of boxing knowledge before allowing people to post on this site? It would be wise, and would keep people like this out of intelligent conversations.
LMAO judah KO him.. mayweather sould box circles around spinks
Styles makes fights. 3 totatly different fighters. besides, Spinks was weight drained in the second Judah fight.
It's just not possible. He has the best pure boxing skills maybe ever. No boxer alive right now comes close, that's for sure.
I keep seeing posts on who their prototypical boxer or boxing style is to beat PBF. Just stop, there is no outboxing him. He can fight on the outside, inside, wherever. He'll feast on you whether you are aggressive or play it defensively. He's faced every style now, and has come out on top every time.
The only way knock him TFO. And even that will take a one in a million punch.
:ugh: ugh.. De La Hoya almost did and lost by a a round on each scorecard.
LMAO judah KO him.. mayweather sould box circles around spinks
Wouldn't happen, man. For one, Spinks frustrated Judah in their first fight. It took a loss for Zab to realize that he'd have to hunt Spinks down. Even for a speedster like Zab, it was hard to outbox Spinks. And this is a guy who outboxed Mayweather when his stamina held up. So Floyd would have to mimic his fight with Zab to win this one.
LMAO judah KO him.. mayweather sould box circles around spinks
You forget to mention that Spinks beat Judah almost too easy the first time around, it took him the rematch to catch Spinks.
Take Cortez influence outta that fight and Hatton's got him imo.
I think the threadstarter was asking people who know what they're talking about, so you don't really fit in.
Floyd would probably switch tactics like Zab did against Corey. He'd have to become more agressive.
Floyd adjusted to Zab and stalked him when he saw that it would be difficult to box with him. Same story would be true for a fight with Spinks.
Zab fadded in the Mayweather fight, just like hes been doing for the past few years. in a pure boxing match, i just can't see Floyd out boxing Spinks.
2 words, Cory Spinks. im a Mayweather fan but i think my boy spinks would out box him.
You know, i was never a fan of Cory Spinks nor did i respect him much but man, that guy has got my full respect, goes up to 154 wins even if barrely, then almost beat the middleweight champion. He has balls some that he should give away to floyd and back then i was not liking a Spinks v. Maywweather fight but now, why not. Let this fight happen, but problem would be is mayweather wants to get paid even if it is against soft handed Spinks. It would be an interesting fight i wouldn't mind to see. Mayweather runs on fighters, but he'd have to face the version of him in Spinks this fight should happen. To bad it wont, he never fought Casamayor at 130, i doubt this one happens.
Floyd would probably switch tactics like Zab did against Corey. He'd have to become more agressive.
Floyd adjusted to Zab and stalked him when he saw that it would be difficult to box with him. Same story would be true for a fight with Spinks.
I tend to agree. Floyd would play the aggressor in that one, and while eating some shots, would land the more meaningful ones.
hatton could beat PBF is he used his brains and not jusst go gung ho constantly. Picking his time sensibly to close the gap where he can unload his body punches like he used to. Break his rhythm up a bit and not get predictable.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda. That argument could be used with anybody.
'Zab coulda beat Floyd if... blah blah blah...'
2 words, Cory Spinks. im a Mayweather fan but i think my boy spinks would out box him.
Floyd would probably switch tactics like Zab did against Corey. He'd have to become more agressive.
Floyd adjusted to Zab and stalked him when he saw that it would be difficult to box with him. Same story would be true for a fight with Spinks.
How would Floyd do it? Explain. Hearns had a far better reach, his punches were just as fast, he had WAY better power to keep Floyd at bay, and his jab was one of the very best ever. What does Floyd do? Hearns was outboxing Leonard pretty handily, who is better than Floyd at everything other than defense. Please tell me Floyd's approach to even fighting Hearns.
i agree, i mean even sugar Ray Leonard didn't out box him. Ray had to turn puncher and knock Hearns out because Hearns would out box him. same thing with Hagler.
hatton could beat PBF is he used his brains and not jusst go gung ho constantly. Picking his time sensibly to close the gap where he can unload his body punches like he used to. Break his rhythm up a bit and not get predictable.