Watching the mayweather v hatton fight, on HBO, harold lettermen had hatton down by 2 or 3 points, by round 10 i can not remember exactly. He won the first 4 or 5 rounds losing only 1 according to lettermen.
I then downloaded a sky box office, copy and guess what??
They also had hatton losing the fight by a 2 or 3 points, they gave an extra round to mayweather than hbo, the round being the 1st.
No lets compare the two only original footages of the fight to the actual scoring.
89-91, 89-81, 88-82
Can anyone please explain why the media guys were scoring the fight different to the real judges, who the hell is right.
The same thing happened in floyds fight against de la hoya, where we have several different scoring ideas, their isnt one consensus on who actually even won that fight.
Now if the hatton fight went to the full 12 rounds and the points decision was given there is no way hatton could have won unless he knocked floyd out. But hbo or sky could have given hatton the fight, i for one would not have been a happy viewer?
I watched the replay of the DeLaHoya fight with Mayweather on friday I think, and basically...The compubox and judges consider blocked punches as points.
Mayweather was way too weak to get punches through Oscar's gloves, I knew I wasn't the only one noticing that cause they talked about it through out the fight. But Compubox counted them as landed shots. I mean aside from a single pot shot to the body in some rounds, I didn't see Floyd land much of anything.
And in the Hatton fight, I was surprised that Hatton was takin most of those early rounds cause Floyd was losing ballance and could hardly get his feet set to throw. I didn't see the official scorring, but if they gave some of those rounds to Mayweather, I'd be shocked.
most of the international press had that fight a draw...de la hoya didnt get credit for defense but w/e..............
and ive laways thought compubox has a lot of flaws and favorites.....an example of a flaw is counting low blows as landed punches-watch trinidad-wright for an example of this...........and an example about rigged numbers: in one round of mayweather vs castillo 2 fight, castillo was credited with only 9 punches landed....i watched that round very closely in a DVD recording i have, Castillo landed 23 punches clearly in that round and 8 more punches looked like they landed but the camera didnt let me catch it clearly so i didnt count them....
Harold Lederman cards are always so bad the guy is like 100 years old.... Hatton only win round 2 and 5
I scored it the same but even round 2 was VERY close. I thought 5 was Hatton's only clear round
im english and i hate to say it but i only had hatton taking 2 rounds maybe 3...
I agree. I was rooting for Hatton and I had the same. He won rounds 2, 5 and maybe 6. If you had Hatton winning any more rounds than this then I'm not sure what fight you were watching.
The fact is that too many people let their bias influence their scoring. Lederman on the other hand is just a complete joke. Judges are piad to be impartial and 99% of the time they get it right. I'll take their expertise over a TV analyst assigned to cover boxing or a boxingscener.
Everything you said here is true.
i honestly thought hatton won1 round clearly and made the one where he got one point deducted even.......i also gave him another close round and could have given him another one...so all in all, i think the only one who had a credible scorecard was moretti(and he sucks ass)...the other 2 guys werent giving hatton a chance if they didnt give him at least 2 rounds that he won pretty much clearly....
it's based on clean, effective punching.
Mayweather's blows were clean and effective
Hatton's blows were neither clean nor effective
Hence the scorecards being lopsided
The compubox and judges consider blocked punches as points.
Oscar wasnt given the same courtesy.
I've been saying this since day one, those punchstats are absolutely preposterous and Oscar won that fight. Floyd, 37-2.
Landing punches actually has very little to winning a round. 25% of what contributes to a score.
Actually more emphasis is put on clean punching when scoring a fight. You're right about it only being one of four factors though. Most people seem to ignore the other 3 altogether unless it is advantageous to their cause.
scoreing s easy, if hatton throws 100 punches and only lands 3 and floyd throws 30 and lands 27, the point goes to floyd.
throwing punches dont win you shit landing them is what wins the rounds, landing and D
I thought the Lederman card was terrible & one of the worst he's scored. If I was a casual fan of boxing I could see HBO swaying my opinion of the fight & the action. A few of the rounds were close that you could've gave to Hatton but to me the only definitive round that I thought belonged to Hatton was & couldn't be disputed was the 5th. While watching it I only scored 2 rounds for Hatton.
I also gave Hatton 2 rounds,with the 5th being the most solid for him,HBO seemed they where rooting for Hatton,they sound so disappointed when Floyd knocked Hatton out,like they never had energy,just " Well,Floyd knocks down Hatton,its over." Sky where going crazy,thats why i just download that version,better viewing,getit of mininova
Lederman ALWAYS scores more for the aggressor, whether he is effective or not. If they are thinking about replacing Merchant, they should get started replacing Harold as well.
The fact is that too many people let their bias influence their scoring. Lederman on the other hand is just a complete joke. Judges are piad to be impartial and 99% of the time they get it right. I'll take their expertise over a TV analyst assigned to cover boxing or a boxingscener.
I thought the Lederman card was terrible & one of the worst he's scored. If I was a casual fan of boxing I could see HBO swaying my opinion of the fight & the action. A few of the rounds were close that you could've gave to Hatton but to me the only definitive round that I thought belonged to Hatton was & couldn't be disputed was the 5th. While watching it I only scored 2 rounds for Hatton.
Watching the mayweather v hatton fight, on HBO, harold lettermen had hatton down by 2 or 3 points, by round 10 i can not remember exactly. He won the first 4 or 5 rounds losing only 1 according to lettermen.
I then downloaded a sky box office, copy and guess what??
They also had hatton losing the fight by a 2 or 3 points, they gave an extra round to mayweather than hbo, the round being the 1st.
No lets compare the two only original footages of the fight to the actual scoring.
89-91, 89-81, 88-82
Can anyone please explain why the media guys were scoring the fight different to the real judges, who the hell is right.
The same thing happened in floyds fight against de la hoya, where we have several different scoring ideas, their isnt one consensus on who actually even won that fight.
Now if the hatton fight went to the full 12 rounds and the points decision was given there is no way hatton could have won unless he knocked floyd out. But hbo or sky could have given hatton the fight, i for one would not have been a happy viewer?
I agree. This didn't en up mattering, but had this gone 12 rounds Floyd still probably would have won, but at the time of the stoppage I had Mayweather up by 2 points. The wide margin the judges had at the time of the stoppage was ridiculous.