The Cotto crew

the same amount Floyd got beating an over the hill fighter in De La Hoya, a punching bag named Gatti, and the most incredible fighter of the era, Baldomir. :lol1: too funny! good k.

hatton was ranked one of the top p4p and he's not on cotto's level so pound 4pound means nothing it's just peoples oppinions thats all p4p is .floyd doesn't have to fight cotto but i don't see why not beating cotto could get him closer to be the atg and he will get alot more respect. williams is kinda still coming up no one thinks to highly of cintron nor margarito so cotto would be the best fight and maybe people won't criticize him any more if he fights cottosure they would. there's always something that he does whether good or bad that people criticizes him for, that's just their nature. it's funny, people claimed that if he fought shane, he would get the respect he deserves, then shane gets beat, now the guy to bear is cotto, but if cotto fights a guy like margarito or clottey and then loses, floyd would have to fight tony or clottey because their the new men to beat. no, floyd is the man to beat, this is the truth. but, he'' get criticized for anything, so it doesn't matter if he beats cotto, mosley, williams, tony, and clottey, hell cintron also, floyd will get criticized for the next guy people have for him to beat, when he's really the guy to beat. why don't you peopl cry for cotto to fight williams huh? yeah, let him fight williams, and see what happens there. he could beat williams or vica versa, but you people are craving a fight with cotto and floyd, because cotto is this month's hot topic, and that's it. so, cotto knocks out judah and beats in a close fight mosley, so now he needs to fight floyd, and i want to see them fight also, but i won't criticzed floyd for this and that is he doesn't fight him. hell, you know, i think floyd would fight williams before he fights cotto, and this is a better fight for him, because it's a harder challenge for him. but, seeing how williams is not the man to beat this month, it won't mean much if lfoyd fights him over cotto and the *** bob arum. floyd will fight cotto on his own time, remember, cotto needs floyd, just like hearns and hagler need leonard, and frazier needed ali, it doesn't matter, floyd is the head honcho. boxing is not like it was back in the day with louis and robinson, who were the men of their eras, it revolutionzied, it's more business oriented, all fighters want a big payday and want a big name, cotto needs to beat imo margarito before he fights floyd, not really for his legacy, but get his name bigger.

If anyone deserves a fight with Mayweather its Cotto. Who else is he going to fight? Floyd said he has all the money? Then make the fight happen. I Don't care if its next year or in 09. Make it happen. P4P best Vs the number 1 WW. Tell me no one wants to see this fight?! Who doesn't? Its interesting and can end in anyway!!! Stop talking for Floyd. Ya motherfuckers act like ya Floyd talking for him. HE doesn't even say the shit ya be saying. Ya his fucking secretarys?

It amazes me at the straw grabbing displayed on this forum and any Floyd fan who takes it seriously or spends too much time falling for traps, are just as ridiculous since they buy into it. They shit on Floyd Mayweather all day for not using his hands as much as he should and being too defensive minded. He goes toe a toe and wins by a spectacular knock out performance, and two hours later people began bitching about Floyd ducking Cotto, someone who he is better than, has accomplished more than, and doesn't care about at this moment. They are scapegoating by pointing at Cotto's ppv as if money is the reason. It is obvious to any and all of us enlightened human beings, that Cotto has never done over 400K. Neither has Mayweather prior to DLH, but he did more and also waaaay more HBO coverage and a much longer following. It isn't hypocrisy either because De La Hoya fought Floyd for his pound for pound status. If Floyd Mayweather is genuinely bored with the sport, as he says, then he'd need motivation to come back. Miguel Cotto can be, but doesn't have to be and isn't that motivation, not anymore than Paul Williams can be or the other people waiting in line. You see, Cotto is not p4p#1. He hasn't even closed in on the top 5. He is not a threat to Mayweather's mythical title and barley out pointing Mosley, who hasn't been a champ in years, especially at Welter, says nothing to the effect that he's a must-fight threat to Mayweather's welter weight crown. IF Mayweather chooses to fight, then by all means, Miguel is the most deserving. But if he wants to take a vacation or leave for good, then Miguel is no Marvin Hagler. He doesn't have the power to demand that Mayweather fight him in order to prove that he was the true p4p king when he left or best of that era (along the lines of what Sugar needed to prove). No sir, Miguel is a fucking contender. Cut the smokescreen, he is a good contender but no one owes him anything, especially the fighter of the decade.. He gave a Jr WW a shot, why not give the #2 recognized WW one as well? Maybe not enough money involved, but what are we his accountants or boxing fans?

I again not saying that PBF is ducking Cotto or has to fight Cotto........BUT if anyone has earned a right to fight PBF (at WW) its Cotto. Cotto's has been able to handle speed from Judah and Mosley who are #1 and #3 in pure hand speed. Now PBF is dangerous because he brings so much more than pure talent he brings tremendous skill and craftiness, coupled with tremendous conditioning which allows him to come on strong in the later rounds. Cotto is not as strong as DLH was at 154 but Cotto matches up better against PBF than DLH did stylisticly.

1 - True 2 - True right now 3 - False. Mayweather has never faced anybody with Cottos blend of size, speed and skill. Cotto is a bigger, scarier version of Castillo. I have to agree with you oldgringo. At 140 I thought this fight was a fucking mismatch. Now I think Cotto has closed that gap significantly after watching him & the Mosley fight. Even though I still favor Mayweather, Cotto could make him very uncomfortable in there. He's bigger/stronger than Hatton, recovers very well after getting buzzed, & has deceptive handspeed but he doesn't have Hatton's footspeed though. The one thing about Cotto is that he appears to tire when the fight goes on & isn't as menacing as he is early on. And if he tires against Mayweather he's in trouble.

At his former weights he has. People forget that he was an underdog against a monster in Corrales who was undefeated and knocking everyone out. Surely Mayweather was supposed to get knocked out. He would NOT be an underdog against Cotto. Castillo, the same thing at light weight. He's bigger than Castillo because he fights at 147. Mayweather was at 135 and Castillo at 135 is as scary as it gets. If you ask any boxer who they'd rather face, today's Cotto or the Corrales before he fought Mayweather, 90% of the fighters out there would prefer to fight Cotto. Chico was considered a monster. Kind of like Tyson before he lost to Buster. Yes I was alive and I had been watching boxing for 10+ years at that point (somebody get me a fucking trophy). I never thought that highly of Corrales at any point in his career, so that may be why my posts come off the way they do. I'm not questioning whether those were great wins by Floyd, I'm just stating my opinion that Cotto is a legitimate threat to beat Floyd, given everything we presently know about Floyd. *On a side note* In retrospect what did Corrales do as opposed to Cotto that made him so much more dangerous in your eyes? Or are you just speaking about the public consensus at the time? I know the general opinion was that Corrales was a monster puncher who was knocking these marks out, but Cotto has a pretty ruthless reputation himself.

for the record i do see floyd beating cotto i just don't think it's going to be that easy

diego can't adjust to a fight like cotto does cotto said he never watches tapes of his opponents his uncle does

My point is that Cotto, whom along with Williams are the best at WW right now, are not yet big enough names to face off against Mayweather. Maybe if one of them clears out the division Floyd would make a comeback, but it would have to be Williams because Mayweather is too proud to fight an Arum fighter ever again. You know, in a perfect world there wouldn't be any of that bullshit to even think about. We wouldn't have Stanley's running around here (non-specific) repeating this, "Floyd doesn't need these guys, get over it" garbage like they are related to him and they need to spread his message to the world. Fucking politics. Why can't we all just live in a world where people fight global warming, there is no war, and the best fighters in the world face off with each other until it is no longer safe for them to fight?:dance: :dance: :dance: That's three dancing bears there.

These are major problems for Cotto. If Floyd can counter Zab to perfection, he'll definitely make minx meat out of this easily hit Cotto. Mayweather's hand speed is right on par with Judah's in addition to that. The difference is barely recognizable. Cotto would have gotten trashed by DLH imho on that night and any night before. I've seen nothing from Cotto that he did better than DLH that night. Hatton is a good fighter who was ranked higher than Cotto before the Mosley win. At the end of the day, why does any of this matter when again.. 1)Floyd's opponents throughout his career were better than Cotto's 2) Floyd has beaten bigger threats and better opponents than Cotto at his initial weights of 130/135, in Corrales and Castillo. 3)Floyd is better than Cotto This argument is senseless. thats not my argument it's yours you were making it seem like theres no way cotto could beat mayweather and you were the one that compared cotto to previous floyd opponents which makes no difference what so ever so i made some comparisons myself and in my oppinion oscar didn't do shit against mayweather

1 - True 2 - True right now 3 - False. Mayweather has never faced anybody with Cottos blend of size, speed and skill. Cotto is a bigger, scarier version of Castillo. If you ask any boxer who they'd rather face, today's Cotto or the Corrales before he fought Mayweather, 90% of the fighters out there would prefer to fight Cotto. Chico was considered a monster. Kind of like Tyson before he lost to Buster.

1 - True 2 - True right now 3 - False. Mayweather has never faced anybody with Cottos blend of size, speed and skill. Cotto is a bigger, scarier version of Castillo. At his former weights he has. People forget that he was an underdog against a monster in Corrales who was undefeated and knocking everyone out. Surely Mayweather was supposed to get knocked out. He would NOT be an underdog against Cotto. Castillo, the same thing at light weight. He's bigger than Castillo because he fights at 147. Mayweather was at 135 and Castillo at 135 is as scary as it gets.

Time to play the advocate yet again: If he fights and beats Cotto (like I feel he would), what are people going to say about Cotto? That he never fought anyone decent (Mosley was old, Zab had lost his last 2, who the fuck is Quintana, etc) at WW so he never was a challenge to Floyd? Please, if you read on here, about 50% of the people picked Oscar to beat him and about 35% of the people picked Ricky to beat him. Guess what? Floyd's still got his 0. There isn't anyone, short of Vernon Forrest, who would be less than a 2:1 dog to Mayweather, with good reason. There is no dominant name out there for him to face at 140, 147, or 154 now that he's disposed of Ricky. simply, yes there is a dominant name, when you've beaten zab judah (honestly, what solidified kostya tzuyu?), mosley (2-0 vs the golden boy) and just a slew of former (jukko, bazan), present (malignaggi, torres) and potentially MORE future world strap holders - all with no defeats. then my friend, you have a clear favorite out there for you to fight - who's proven himself MORE than a worthy entity.

I thought that everyone knew that you DON'T LISTEN TO THOSE PEOPLE. You have been here for years. Come on now....you're better than this Hans... My point is that Cotto, whom along with Williams are the best at WW right now, are not yet big enough names to face off against Mayweather. Maybe if one of them clears out the division Floyd would make a comeback, but it would have to be Williams because Mayweather is too proud to fight an Arum fighter ever again.

1)Floyd's opponents throughout his career were better than Cotto's 2)Floyd is better than Cotto 3) Floyd has beaten bigger threats and better opponents than Cotto at his initial weights of 130/135, in Corrales and Castillo. This argument is senseless. 1 - True 2 - True right now 3 - False. Mayweather has never faced anybody with Cottos blend of size, speed and skill. Cotto is a bigger, scarier version of Castillo.

after the early rounds he started to pressure zab and force the fight more early in the fight he was tring to counter zab but he couldn't because of zabs hand speed floyd is quicker on his feet. These are major problems for Cotto. If Floyd can counter Zab to perfection, he'll definitely make minx meat out of the easily hit Cotto. Mayweather's hand speed is right on par with Judah's in addition to that. The difference is barely recognizable. yes cotto is better than delahoya on may 5th and cotto has always been better than hatton. Cotto would have gotten trashed by DLH imho on that night and any night before. I've seen nothing from Cotto that he did better than DLH that night. hatton aint shit he's a mma fighter always has been he didn't get whack all of a sudden because he lost to floyd he has always been overrated Hatton is a good fighter who was ranked higher than Cotto before the Mosley win. At the end of the day, why does any of this matter when again.. 1)Floyd's opponents throughout his career were better than Cotto's 2) Floyd has beaten bigger threats and better opponents than Cotto at his initial weights of 130/135, in Corrales and Castillo. 3)Floyd is better than Cotto This argument is senseless.

Time to play the advocate yet again: If he fights and beats Cotto (like I feel he would), what are people going to say about Cotto? That he never fought anyone decent (Mosley was old, Zab had lost his last 2, who the fuck is Quintana, etc) at WW so he never was a challenge to Floyd? Please, if you read on here, about 50% of the people picked Oscar to beat him and about 35% of the people picked Ricky to beat him. Guess what? Floyd's still got his 0. There isn't anyone, short of Vernon Forrest, who would be less than a 2:1 dog to Mayweather, with good reason. There is no dominant name out there for him to face at 140, 147, or 154 now that he's disposed of Ricky. I thought that everyone knew that you DON'T LISTEN TO THOSE PEOPLE. You have been here for years. Come on now....you're better than this Hans...

playing the role of devils advocate suits you better ;) thing is this - mayweather claims to be the best to have ever done it - rationally speaking we're not on about some barrera or morales here who've been through WARS - we're talking about a guy w/ cat-like reflex's who's been hit in the face about as many times as i've had been mistakenly overpaid on a payroll check. i'm just a berean holding homeboy to his word, prove yourself right, floyd. this fight makes sense in every sense of the word. Time to play the advocate yet again: If he fights and beats Cotto (like I feel he would), what are people going to say about Cotto? That he never fought anyone decent (Mosley was old, Zab had lost his last 2, who the fuck is Quintana, etc) at WW so he never was a challenge to Floyd? Please, if you read on here, about 50% of the people picked Oscar to beat him and about 35% of the people picked Ricky to beat him. Guess what? Floyd's still got his 0. There isn't anyone, short of Vernon Forrest, who would be less than a 2:1 dog to Mayweather, with good reason. There is no dominant name out there for him to face at 140, 147, or 154 now that he's disposed of Ricky.

Then why'd he beat Zab to the punch after the early rounds? Because he's faster overall, fast hands don't mean anything when you don't know how to use them. He's also more accurate. He's not better than De La Hoya was on May 5th and before Floyd, him being better than Hatton was debatable (they were neck and neck, p4p)... after the early rounds he started to pressure zab and force the fight more early in the fight he was tring to counter zab but he couldn't because of zabs hand speed floyd is quicker on his feet.yes cotto is better than delahoya on may 5th and cotto has always been better than hatton.hatton aint shit he's a mma fighter always has been he didn't get whack all of a sudden because he lost to floyd he has always been overrated