The Stats on Mayweather - Hatton

I don't really think that either guy was MUCH affected by anything the other did. I say MUCH, because I think, if anything, both are just eager to fight now. As far as the stats go, they show an even playing field. Mayweather is the bigger guy, faster guy, more skilled guy and the guy with more big fight experience. I mention the experience thing to determine the "head games" argument. However, as I said, I don't think that'll be that big of a factor. Both will be themselves, come fight night. I've got Mayweather stopping Hatton by TKO in the 10th. Floyd was the exact same Floyd he always is from start to finish. Trash talk so bad people hate his guts. Once he feels comfortable with the financial PPV aspect because he has marketed the fight, he relaxes. Nothing different for him. He has been focused and that is what so many do not seem to understand. He himself says he has been focused so those saying he does/did not look focused, so. Mayweather has not deviated from his normal pattern. Hatton has to a very large extent, IMO. I have never seen him do a slit throat gesture.:bigeyes:

Tommorrow night's WBC Welterweight title match between Ricky Hatton and Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is one of the most anticipated bouts of recent years. Here are the comparative stats: ................Hatton:.....................................Floyd: age:...........29...........................................30 height:.......5' 6".........................................5' 8" reach:........65"..........................................72" stance:......orthodox...................................orthodox record:.......43-0, 32 KOs.............................38-0, 24 KOs I've always maintained that if the same Hatton that fought Tszyu shows up on December 8, then Floyd is in for the fight of his life. Furthermore, it appears that Hatton has actually won the pre-fight head game battle. Thus, I've got Hatton to win a decision. What do you think about the pre-fight head game battle, and will it make a difference? I don't really think that either guy was MUCH affected by anything the other did. I say MUCH, because I think, if anything, both are just eager to fight now. As far as the stats go, they show an even playing field. Mayweather is the bigger guy, faster guy, more skilled guy and the guy with more big fight experience. I mention the experience thing to determine the "head games" argument. However, as I said, I don't think that'll be that big of a factor. Both will be themselves, come fight night. I've got Mayweather stopping Hatton by TKO in the 10th.

ur right hes got the reach of someone at least 6 feet tall

So if a fighters arm/hand is being held by his opponent and he fires inside whos doing the holding?

That reach will be a bitch for Hatton to deal with.

Oh...the fight is for real alright. Hatton looks like he could tear your heart out and watch it pump in his hands. Floyd looks like he's only now taking this thing seriously. "IMO" of course. I totally agree, i think Hatton is SO Mr nice guy and that Floyd has been stupid in taking Hatton lightly, especially with this dancing shit on TV! Thats also why a lot of the pro's are backing Hatton, becuase he is a proper pro ! Floyd has taken the piss outta this sport for too long, here comes his D-day!

Left2Body: You are crucifying Hatton for what you consider a 'lack of style'. Dont want to put words in your mouth but that's what it sounds like to me. Boxing isnt about style points and how good you look during a fight. At least not the boxing I grew up on. It's about action. It's about results. It's about something other then 'style points'. It's about substance. Something primitive about boxing, yet so complex. It's man to man combat. Holding, elbowing, mauling, hitting with the cuff, low blows. All part of the sport. And has been since Marquis of Queensbury. Doesn't detract from a fighter's greatness. And it sure as hell should never detract from a guys legacy. I'm sorry man...but this will and always will be part of the sport. It is a fight after all. Your totally misreading my post. All I'm doing is defusing the Excuse Wiley is currently planting as to a potential reason why Hatton might lose. If Cortez doesn't allow Hatton to hit and hold that doesn't mean the fix it is in, it mean's he is doing his job and not allowing an illegal procedure to occur.

How simple is it to tell you.... Holding and Hitting is ILLEGAL So how will Hatton get screwed if he is'nt allowed to do something which is not allowed in the Sport unless you get away with it? I'm not talking about excessive "holding." Read what I posted. I'm talking about inside fighting. I'm sure you would love it if Jay Nady were in there breaking the fighters up everytime their bodies came together. Fortunately for the quality of the fight, it's Joe Cortez. Thus, we have a chance to see a real fight.

Ruiz and Hatton are different in there holding for the most part. Ruiz does more of the 1 or 1-2 and falls into his opponents and clinches (similar to Klitch). Holding is also more acceptable in the HW's because of the low work rate to begin with. Hatton in the Tzu fight held and HIT. We see this more in his last few fights than in earlier fights in his career (see urango)for whatever reason. However, a referre should break up this type of "IN FIGHTING". You want to compare modern fighters to Duran, how about Vazquez or Cotto. Look at them fight and tell me they do 1/5 the amount of clinching or hitting and holding that Hatton does. Again I'm not saying that Hatton isn't a very good fighter (great is yet to be see). All I'm doing is expanding on the original point of If the referree will not let them fight inside and Ricky gets screwed........there is an excuse. If the referre doesn't allow Hatton to hit and hold that can hardly be considered an excuse. Joe Cortez reffed the Hatton - Castillo fight, and he did it well. IF he changes his style for tommorrow night's fight, then you know the fix is in. I think that is a reasonable observation. But, you are misreading my post to suit your needs. Some refs simply break the fighters up almost immediately when they get in elbow to elbow and start mauling each other. It has nothing to do with holding. If Cortez employs this, then Hatton will get screwed because he's an inside fighter. It's just that simple.

He did. But you seem to forget that Duran is a first ballot HOFer, and one of the top 5 fighters ever. And that isn't even debatable. Ricky Hatton is....clearly not. But that doesn't mean Ricky Hatton is not a great fighter. And there IS a difference between Clinching and HOLDING. Holding is illegal. Clinching is. Which is why Ruiz rarely ever got point deducted in his career. And if you want to prove me wrong...then do it. How many times was Ruiz deducted for excessive holding? Ruiz and Hatton are different in there holding for the most part. Ruiz does more of the 1 or 1-2 and falls into his opponents and clinches (similar to Klitch). Holding is also more acceptable in the HW's because of the low work rate to begin with. Hatton in the Tzu fight held and HIT. We see this more in his last few fights than in earlier fights in his career (see urango)for whatever reason. However, a referre should break up this type of "IN FIGHTING". You want to compare modern fighters to Duran, how about Vazquez or Cotto. Look at them fight and tell me they do 1/5 the amount of clinching or hitting and holding that Hatton does. Again I'm not saying that Hatton isn't a very good fighter (great is yet to be see). All I'm doing is expanding on the original point of If the referree will not let them fight inside and Ricky gets screwed........there is an excuse. If the referre doesn't allow Hatton to hit and hold that can hardly be considered an excuse.

You should really maybe, you know, watch some Duran fights. Plenty of his fights were boring and filled with alot of clinching and holding. Are you familiar with his career at LW? Just wondering. I have watched all of the Duran fights I have been able to get video on and he was aggressive and pushed and shoved at times but thats not my point. My point is that HOLDING with one hand while HITTING with the other is illegal and excessive amounts of it should be punished. You in NO WAY can compare Duran's style to Hatton. Duran was so much more polished and slicker than Hatton. Duran also had way better defense and came in with great movement and angles.

On principle, yes....no excuses. But, in reality we have to see the fight. For example, if Floyd breaks his hand in round 1 and gets pulverized....there is an excuse. Right? If the referree will not let them fight inside and Ricky gets screwed........there is an excuse. But, it would have to be something major like that for any "excuse" to be legitimate. It depends on what you consider fighting inside. IF you consider fighting inside as "holding and hitting" or as "head to sholder, head to sholder". The first shouldn't be allowed the second is beautiful when correctly done.

Who did you bet with on the outcome of this fight again Coyote? ????????????

But we all agree: No Excuses. Right? On principle, yes....no excuses. But, in reality we have to see the fight. For example, if Floyd breaks his hand in round 1 and gets pulverized....there is an excuse. Right? If the referree will not let them fight inside and Ricky gets screwed........there is an excuse. But, it would have to be something major like that for any "excuse" to be legitimate.

I think he is Wiley , he weighed more and is dimensionally bigger on all counts , it will matter a lot with the advantages being on such a polished boxer , the hope money will be on Hatton but the smart money will be on Floyd , I will say it again nobody smaller will beat Floyd Mayweather you mark my words , forget the hype the fight is real . Oh...the fight is for real alright. Hatton looks like he could tear your heart out and watch it pump in his hands. Floyd looks like he's only now taking this thing seriously. "IMO" of course.

Another weight excuse for Ricky's inevitable loss? That's dried out... The issue is what are their weights after re-hydrating. Not that it's that important really. Hatton's stamina is what's important.

The fight is at 147 in Vegas. Therefore, 10 oz. By rule. Right? And FMJ wears Winning. Unless Oscar makes him wear Reyes (puncher's). yeh it will be 10oz. but i was just wondering about the brand. Floyd usually wears Winning, but he caught alot of criticism for it coz they are like shields. i would imagine they will both be in Reyes like the Oscar fight, which i suppose works in Ricky's favour...

Who did you bet with on the outcome of this fight again Coyote?

Is Hatton really smaller? Umm.....not sure about that. Reach and height are big factors, but not the only factors to consider. It's been said that Hatton is the bigger guy, structurally speaking. Hatton did weigh in at 145, to Floyd's 147. I think Ricky's going a little overboard so as not to make the same mistakes as in the Collazo fight.

Nobody smaller than Floyd will beat him ! Is Hatton really smaller? Umm.....not sure about that. Reach and height are big factors, but not the only factors to consider. It's been said that Hatton is the bigger guy, structurally speaking.