I hear alot of people accuse RJJ of fighting bum or ducking so so and so Without actually putting out names, So it got me thinking and i research but only Darius Miche.......ski's name came up...So i want to ask some of this people the same question "Who did he duck"..Serious answers please.
jones fought and beat everyone they put in front of him (upto tarver 1) and did it easily
Griffin put abit of a schooling on him, out-feinted him and out-boxed him. McCallum was a close fight, and Harding gave him a heck of a lot of trouble
I'd like to have seen him give Toney a rematch, a fit Toney
a what? never heard of it
Seriously though, jones fought and beat everyone they put in front of him (upto tarver 1) and did it easily, what more can you really ask for? I dont think he ducked anyone, Yeah there are fights people would have liked to have seen Benn, Calzage, Michaelchczi but would the results have really been any different to everybody else?
He unfortunatley is one of these fighters like a mayweather and a handful of others that keep winning but people always name someone that they havent fought and its like " yeah roy beat toney, hopkins, hill and ruiz but he ducked the Klitschkos and Lennox Lewis"
As much as we may want them to they cant fight everyone
What's so funny?
Nunn was by far the most talented fighter of his era, forget Whitaker. He just sucked his career up his nose
Nunn was better founded than Jones, never off-balance, incredibly smooth and flowing. He didn't have to keep darting in-and-out against Toney, he just stood in front of him and totally outboxed him - more impressively than Jones did even on a weight-drained, near-death Toney
umm if you didnt see how masterful Roys performance was against toney yer just retarded... ill leave it at that.
This guy is a nobody. Losses to Toney, liles, and other fighters have really tarnished his image in my eyes. He was still in his prime when he fought Toney. Not that Toney(he was losing by alot) or Liles are bums or anything but, you make this guy seem like he's the god or something he honestly wasn't even a top-tier fighter.
He was a HBO superstar against Kalambay and Barkley, and the consensus lb4lb #1 from 1988 not 1991
He used the ropes for defense! It was awesome!
Nunn had great movement, that was his game, keeping guys on the end of his right jab, but against James Toney (JAMES TONEY) he stood right in front of him to prove a point... sure he came unstuck in the end, but he'd taken his foot off the pedal, and I'm sure you'd agree if he didn't take his foot off the pedal he wouldn't have taken those punches and would have shut Toney out down the stretch
Also the master of the left uppercut (with equal accuracy to head or body). He had faster hands than Jones, too, IMO
This guy is a nobody. Losses to Toney, liles, and other fighters have really tarnished his image in my eyes. He was still in his prime when he fought Toney. Not that Toney(he was losing by alot) or Liles are bums or anything but, you make this guy seem like he's the god or something he honestly wasn't even a top-tier fighter.
I hear alot of people accuse RJJ of fighting bum or ducking so so and so Without actually putting out names, So it got me thinking and i research but only Darius Miche.......ski's name came up...So i want to ask some of this people the same question "Who did he duck"..Serious answers please.
I wouldnt say Roy ducked or avoided any one, but there are certian fighers he didnt go out of his way to attempt to make a fight with them, and they didnt attempt to make a fight with them.
Whether that was because of Roy's personal choice, or because he didnt want to travel overseas, we will never know.
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Joe Calzaghe
Dariusz Michalczewski
"He doesn't know how to fight, he doesn't know how to stand and he's wide open as the Holland Tunnel."
"I swear to you, Michael Nunn would beat him seven days a week, and twice on a Sunday."
"Nunn isn't as fast as (he) used to be, isn't as fast as Jones (is) now. But the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, or in boxing's case, a straight punch. Roy Jones can't throw straight punches (as) often, or as well as Nunn. If Nunn emphasises his speed, his right jab and his left hand I see him as a guy who'd beat and maybe school down Jones.
"He's (Nunn) sitting down on his punches more these days and isn't entering the ring jaded with any weight worries, he's going to hurt Jones. He's more fluid and flowing than Jones could ever be, with better timing than anything Jones has seen. He's 6ft 3", Jones would need to jump to land, and when he does, Nunn glides his upper body out of range, which should be second nature to him because he's been doing it for 14 years."
- Al Certo
Certo hated Jones with a passion for whatever reason. He was convinced that he could get Buddy McGirt to win a few comeback fights, and beat Roy Jones in a catchweight bout. Odd that he never wanted to have McGirt go anywhere near Ike Quartey, yet was begging for a fight w/ Roy.
in fact, Jones-Sosa was originally reserved as Jones-McGirt, at a catchweight of 162. Jones had to beat Tony Thornton (I know, daunting task) on HBO and McGirt to get past Andrew Council on a separate card on CBS earlier that day, in order to proceed with plans. Instead, Council beat the shit out of McGirt, and Jones was "forced" to settle on a different catchweight - moving up to fight Merqui Sosa.
Anyway, thought that might help put some of those quotes in perspective.
"He doesn't know how to fight, he doesn't know how to stand and he's wide open as the Holland Tunnel."
"I swear to you, Michael Nunn would beat him seven days a week, and twice on a Sunday."
"Nunn isn't as fast as (he) used to be, isn't as fast as Jones (is) now. But the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, or in boxing's case, a straight punch. Roy Jones can't throw straight punches (as) often, or as well as Nunn. If Nunn emphasises his speed, his right jab and his left hand I see him as a guy who'd beat and maybe school down Jones.
"He's (Nunn) sitting down on his punches more these days and isn't entering the ring jaded with any weight worries, he's going to hurt Jones. He's more fluid and flowing than Jones could ever be, with better timing than anything Jones has seen. He's 6ft 3", Jones would need to jump to land, and when he does, Nunn glides his upper body out of range, which should be second nature to him because he's been doing it for 14 years."
- Al Certo
Shortest distance between two points is a straight line... unless it's a Jones hook. That's kind of an exception.
"He doesn't know how to fight, he doesn't know how to stand and he's wide open as the Holland Tunnel."
"I swear to you, Michael Nunn would beat him seven days a week, and twice on a Sunday."
"Nunn isn't as fast as (he) used to be, isn't as fast as Jones (is) now. But the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, or in boxing's case, a straight punch. Roy Jones can't throw straight punches (as) often, or as well as Nunn. If Nunn emphasises his speed, his right jab and his left hand I see him as a guy who'd beat and maybe school down Jones.
"He's (Nunn) sitting down on his punches more these days and isn't entering the ring jaded with any weight worries, he's going to hurt Jones. He's more fluid and flowing than Jones could ever be, with better timing than anything Jones has seen. He's 6ft 3", Jones would need to jump to land, and when he does, Nunn glides his upper body out of range, which should be second nature to him because he's been doing it for 14 years."
- Al Certo
He used the ropes for defense! It was awesome!
Nunn had great movement, that was his game, keeping guys on the end of his right jab, but against James Toney (JAMES TONEY) he stood right in front of him to prove a point... sure he came unstuck in the end, but he'd taken his foot off the pedal, and I'm sure you'd agree if he didn't take his foot off the pedal he wouldn't have taken those punches and would have shut Toney out down the stretch
Also the master of the left uppercut (with equal accuracy to head or body). He had faster hands than Jones, too, IMO
You don't think the ropes sent him moving too akwardly sometimes?
Toney just caught up with guys. Nunn just took longer than, say, a Tim Littles. But he usually exploded on guys when the time was right. And against Nunn, it was no different.
But I agree that Nunn was extremely talented.
As for Eubank and Benn
Six rounds with Benn at his best is too many rounds for Jones to escape
Eubank would have only won the first four rounds against Jones
I agree, except that Nunn seemed to always fall off balance when he bounced off of the ropes.
He used the ropes for defense! It was awesome!
Nunn had great movement, that was his game, keeping guys on the end of his right jab, but against James Toney (JAMES TONEY) he stood right in front of him to prove a point... sure he came unstuck in the end, but he'd taken his foot off the pedal, and I'm sure you'd agree if he didn't take his foot off the pedal he wouldn't have taken those punches and would have shut Toney out down the stretch
Also the master of the left uppercut (with equal accuracy to head or body). He had faster hands than Jones, too, IMO