Whats Wrong with American Heavyweights?

Yeah, Evander Holyfield was never fit....umm.. Wlad is a huge fat slob too.

True that I havent seen a real fit heavyweight since tyson Yeah, Evander Holyfield was never fit....umm..

The new improved Wlad would give Ali a shitload of trouble, it's a bad matchup for Ali stylistically and I could see Wlad beating him. If you think Wlad would have had no chance against Ali than you don't know shit about boxing. ay whaddya kno my boy got an avatar! Wlad don't forget Ali fights 15 round fights and we all know how Wlad gets in the champ rounds (Ross Puritty) Ali in his prime wouldn't go down against Wlad and probably wins a UD. Man Foreman threw all he had against Ali and it didn't stop him and don't mean to bust ur ego but dog, Foreman had a lot more power in his day then Wlad. Don't waste your time talkin bout Wlad against fighters of yesteryear talk shit to us about Wlad and who's he gonna beat tomorrow

:smashfrea someone ought to knock some sense into you not sure whats so hard to grasp about that post. ali as great as he was did struggle with a lot of fighters and also got a couple questionable wins. wlad is a giant heavyweight with solid boxing skills and one punch power in either hand. he's become a more complete fighter over the last few years and would have given ali problems. ali was great but did have his share of difficult fights

so youre saying that all the boxers from Russia were all stuck in the amateurs? but there were boxers from other countries that beat Russians in the amateurs. Yes, they could not turn pro. I'm not saying Russians would have been dominating the heavyweight division all along AT ALL. But clearly there would have been boxers from Russia and Cuba that would have been in the heavyweight picture for a lot of, and not just the last part of, the last century.

this is what the brain of a retard produces...:nonono: The new improved Wlad would give Ali a shitload of trouble, it's a bad matchup for Ali stylistically and I could see Wlad beating him. If you think Wlad would have had no chance against Ali than you don't know shit about boxing.

Ali would have been knocked out IN HIS PRIME by a 180 lb brit named Henry Cooper, in their first fight, if Dundee hadn't torn his glove open to give him more time. Only reason there weren't any top Russian heavyweights back then is because the government wouldn't allow them to turn pro.so youre saying that all the boxers from Russia were all stuck in the amateurs? but there were boxers from other countries that beat Russians in the amateurs.

When did I ever bring Tyson into this discussion, SMART GUY? Yes, Ali lost more then 3 times SMART GUY. Wlad is not a bum, but hey, he got KTFO by a couple of "bums" But to put Wlad on the list of all time great HW's? Are you fucking serious? Are you just that big of a nut hugger? Never mind. I already know. We're talking about head to head matchups here dufus. Read my posts, where do I call Wlad an all time great? I said his career isn't done yet. And if you think Sanders and Brewster were bums, then you're just delusional.

Yeah Cooper hit Ali with a big punch. To bad Wlads corner couldn't do the same against Sanders, huh. Anybody saying Wlad belongs in the same breath as Ali need to get their heads examined. ali was great,,,but stylistically the post steward wlad would have given ali loads of trouble. no question about it in my opinion. now,,,,as far as accomplishments go wlad obviously doesnt even come close to ali. it would take a mental midget to think otherwise

Look, smart guy, you're pointing to his 3 losses and saying he's a bum. Last I checked Ali had MORE than 3 losses, and Lennox Lewis cannot be defined by the bum and the mediocre fighter that he was KO'd by, nor can Tyson be defined by the BUM that KOd him in his prime. When did I ever bring Tyson into this discussion, SMART GUY? Yes, Ali lost more then 3 times SMART GUY. Wlad is not a bum, but hey, he got KTFO by a couple of "bums" But to put Wlad on the list of all time great HW's? Are you fucking serious? Are you just that big of a nut hugger? Never mind. I already know.

I think the 6,6 245 lb Wlad would beat the 6,3 210 lb Ali. Ali wasn't a big puncher, so I can't see him stopping Wlad. I can see the bigger,stronger Wlad beating Ali by KO/TKO. Wlad,Lewis and Vitali are modern day monsters, they're all highly capable of beating any heavyweight from any era.

What are you trying to prove here? That Ali, under one of the greatest corner men of all time, got a break, and wrecked his opponent? Or that Wlad got KTFO by not only Sanders, but Brewster? Oh and it it took his "evil" brother to take care of the dirty work? Your not making much of a case here.:nonono: Look, smart guy, you're pointing to his 3 losses and saying he's a bum. Last I checked Ali had MORE than 3 losses, and Lennox Lewis cannot be defined by the bum and the mediocre fighter that he was KO'd by, nor can Tyson be defined by the BUM that KOd him in his prime.

Don't act like Sanders doesn't have any power, he does have 18 first round and 7 second round KOs after all, besides Wlads older brother took care of his dirty work for him. What are you trying to prove here? That Ali, under one of the greatest corner men of all time, got a break, and wrecked his opponent? Or that Wlad got KTFO by not only Sanders, but Brewster? Oh and it it took his "evil" brother to take care of the dirty work? Your not making much of a case here.:nonono:

Yeah Cooper hit Ali with a big punch. To bad Wlads corner couldn't do the same against Sanders, huh. Anybody saying Wlad belongs in the same breath as Ali need to get their heads examined. Don't act like Sanders doesn't have any power, he does have 18 first round and 7 second round KOs after all, besides Wlads older brother took care of his dirty work for him.

Yeah Cooper hit Ali with a big punch. To bad Wlads corner couldn't do the same against Sanders, huh. Anybody saying Wlad belongs in the same breath as Ali need to get their heads examined. No one could possibly be saying that. But then Wlad is far from done and is still improving under the guidance of Steward, so who knows.

Yeah Cooper hit Ali with a big punch. To bad Wlads corner couldn't do the same against Sanders, huh. Anybody saying Wlad belongs in the same breath as Ali need to get their heads examined.

i know our current active american heayweights suck. i didnt say they didnt suck just the point im trying to get accross is that even though europeans are at the top they still suck. never in a sentence have you heard Wladimir Klitschko and Muhammad Ali in the same sentence. this is the last time you will. so fantise while you can Ali would have been knocked out IN HIS PRIME by a 180 lb brit named Henry Cooper, in their first fight, if Dundee hadn't torn his glove open to give him more time. Only reason there weren't any top Russian heavyweights back then is because the government wouldn't allow them to turn pro.

I think the overall desire in American Heavyweights seems to be gone...AHW don't seem to train as hard and just want to make money...legacy and heart just isn't a factor anymore

as stated previously its not as if all these east europeans have come from nowhere. its just that until recently they werent allowed to fight professionally what with communism etc all those east european shitholes have been producin tough motherfuckers since day one but its only recently theyve been allowed to compete for titles thought it was blatently obvious myself Yeah you're right but they have had the ok to fight longer than you think. A lot of good boxers have been fighting out of kazakhstan since 1999-2000.

as stated previously its not as if all these east europeans have come from nowhere. its just that until recently they werent allowed to fight professionally what with communism etc all those east european shitholes have been producin tough motherfuckers since day one but its only recently theyve been allowed to compete for titles thought it was blatently obvious myself