the 17 real champions...and where their from

Well see.. this is still flawed... As you say.."Those recognised" as the best... BUT BY WHOM??? See most Americans will recognise their men.. Most Brits will say it's Brits.. of course the Mexicans will say it's their guy... Who gets the FINAL say??? You can make this statement for american boxers like Spinks, Diaz (i also think that he deserved to be nr 1, exspecially if you compare his last fight to casa's medicore performance) or even FLoyd (he is the nr. 1 in my book but beating a yourneyman like Baldo doen't make him champ) BUT all the british boxers have unified their divisions and Calzaghe is the undisputed SMW champion winning all 4 belts. So there is no argument against him being the only champ.

wrong!!!! Clinton Woods or joe c would kill b-hop Sergiy Dzinziruk would beat spinks but the agen mayweather would beat them both. Joel Casamayor would beat Juan Díaz also who is Castillo?????????????? for super fetherweight? if you mean José Luis Castillo he never has been rated at that weight hes lightweight. no way dude. diaz would smoke casamayor. did u see casamyors fight on the cotto undercard against santa cruz. he looks terrible. diaz would not stop coming forward and he would probly tko casaymayor. no way joel could beat diaz no way!

wrong!!!! Clinton Woods or joe c would kill b-hop Sergiy Dzinziruk would beat spinks but the agen mayweather would beat them both. Joel Casamayor would beat Juan Díaz also who is Castillo?????????????? for super fetherweight? if you mean José Luis Castillo he never has been rated at that weight hes lightweight. it's MARTIN CASTILLO and i had him at SFL weight, everyone knows thats Super FLy not Super FLeather !! as for Woods and Calzaghe beating Hopkins, Joe C might well beat him but as he's never fought there how can he be ranked above him ???? Woods has to beat him to be ranked above him imo, and imo that wont ever happen. it was just a list of who's generally recognised as the real champ, regardless of who can beat who. so it's not WRONG !!!! it's a fact. i'm not saying i agree that each one is the best at each weight but it's probably a good reference as to who would hold the belt if there was only one belt per weight available

i dont think he was talkin ab who would beat the champs he was just postin the champs as of now ..good post ..isnt pr =usa?

wrong!!!! Clinton Woods or joe c would kill b-hop Sergiy Dzinziruk would beat spinks but the agen mayweather would beat them both. Joel Casamayor would beat Juan Díaz also who is Castillo?????????????? for super fetherweight? if you mean José Luis Castillo he never has been rated at that weight hes lightweight. Did you SEE his last performance.

I'd say Kyowa is a lot better then Niida and that Forrest is really the true champion at 154 since Spinks moved up somewhat. Oh and Marquez is the champ at Jr.Lightweight. Pac doesn't even have a belt.

Casamayor was awful and needs to steer clear of Diaz

Joel Casamayor would beat Juan Díaz Thanks, I needed a good belly laugh.:ugh:

Well see.. this is still flawed... As you say.."Those recognised" as the best... BUT BY WHOM??? See most Americans will recognise their men.. Most Brits will say it's Brits.. of course the Mexicans will say it's their guy... Who gets the FINAL say??? Britain get's the final say because it has GREAT before it. (Joke)

Here is a breakdown of which country has the most champions, and when i say champion i mean doesnt just hold a belt but is the recognised best at their weight or hold the title of the man who beat the man 17 weights:- 5 = U.S.A 3 = U.K 2 = PHILIPPINES, MEXICO, JAPAN 1 = P.RICO, UKRAINE, INDONESIA HW = UKR - Klitschko C = UK - Haye LH = USA - Hopkins SM = UK - Calzaghe M = USA - Pavlik LM = USA - Spinks W = USA - Mayweather LW = UK - Hatton L = USA - J Diaz SF = PHI - Pacquiao F = IND - John SB = MEX - I Vazquez B = JAP - Hasegawa SFL = MEX - Castillo FL = PHI - Donaire LFL = P.RICO - Calderon S = JAP - Niida Only 8 different nations represented !!! Well see.. this is still flawed... As you say.."Those recognised" as the best... BUT BY WHOM??? See most Americans will recognise their men.. Most Brits will say it's Brits.. of course the Mexicans will say it's their guy... Who gets the FINAL say???

HW = UKR - Klitschko - has made a case for himself beating top 10-15 contenders. However until he fights and beats one or two other HW titlist, it is hard to recognize him as #1. LM = USA - Spinks - I think many recognize him #1 because of his name alone. However this is debatable. Just before Winky moved up, Ouma was looked at as Winky's #1 contender. Winky moves up, Ouma and Karmazin fight for the top spot. Karmazin wins. Spinks beats Karmazin. So it is debatable. L = USA - J Diaz - debatable. Holds 3 belts and has been impressive. However Casamayor is coming from the Castillo/Corrales era. I don't think either is necessarily #1. They have to fight for it. Casamayor beat Corrales (III), however Castillo was "considered" linear champ when he vacated. But Casamayor and Corrales fought for that lineage and Casamayor came out on top. Funny, same thing happened after Floyd beat Castillo. He vacated, Castillo fought a few welterweight fights, moved back down and regained lineage with quality wins.

the UK is doing very well for themselves wrong!!!! Clinton Woods or joe c would kill b-hop Sergiy Dzinziruk would beat spinks but the agen mayweather would beat them both. Joel Casamayor would beat Juan Díaz also who is Castillo?????????????? for super fetherweight? if you mean José Luis Castillo he never has been rated at that weight hes lightweight. theres no way that Casamayor beats Juan at this point, didnt you see his performance against Santa Cruz?! Juan Diaz is now the #1 at Lightweight, he would bulldoze Casamayor how would Clinton Woods destroy Hopkins? Ive heard that he didnt even deserve his victory over Glen in their last fight. Calzaghe might beat him, but you can only be a champion of one division at a time. I dont know much about Serg to be honest. would he be considered better than Vernon Forrest, Oscar De La Hoya, and Spinks?? I see he has a win over Daniel Santos, and I consider that a pretty damn good win. and there are other Castillos at different weight classes, haha. common Mexican name.

Your hypothetical reasoning doesn't at all mean he's wrong.. All of those people are the Champs of their division because they beat the best or #1 ranked in that division, regardless of who you think can beat them. Stop acting like a child.. B-Hop would make Calzaghe look pedestrian btw..:) Calzaghe is a better boxer than Hopkins, by a lot. wrong!!!! Clinton Woods or joe c would kill b-hop Sergiy Dzinziruk would beat spinks but the agen mayweather would beat them both. Joel Casamayor would beat Juan Díaz also who is Castillo?????????????? for super fetherweight? if you mean José Luis Castillo he never has been rated at that weight hes lightweight. Casamayor would not beat Diaz, you're strecthing it to make an argument against the US

wrong!!!! Clinton Woods or joe c would kill b-hop Sergiy Dzinziruk would beat spinks but the agen mayweather would beat them both. Joel Casamayor would beat Juan Díaz also who is Castillo?????????????? for super fetherweight? if you mean José Luis Castillo he never has been rated at that weight hes lightweight. Your hypothetical reasoning doesn't at all mean he's wrong.. All of those people are the Champs of their division because they beat the best or #1 ranked in that division, regardless of who you think can beat them. Stop acting like a child.. B-Hop would make Calzaghe look pedestrian btw..:)

U. S. and A.!!

Here is a breakdown of which country has the most champions, and when i say champion i mean doesnt just hold a belt but is the recognised best at their weight or hold the title of the man who beat the man 17 weights:- 5 = U.S.A 3 = U.K 2 = PHILIPPINES, MEXICO, JAPAN 1 = P.RICO, UKRAINE, INDONESIA HW = UKR - Klitschko C = UK - Haye LH = USA - Hopkins SM = UK - Calzaghe M = USA - Pavlik LM = USA - Spinks W = USA - Mayweather LW = UK - Hatton L = USA - J Diaz SF = PHI - Pacquiao F = IND - John SB = MEX - I Vazquez B = JAP - Hasegawa SFL = MEX - Castillo FL = PHI - Donaire LFL = P.RICO - Calderon S = JAP - Niida Only 8 different nations represented !!! MMMmmmmmm Interesting.

Here is a breakdown of which country has the most champions, and when i say champion i mean doesnt just hold a belt but is the recognised best at their weight or hold the title of the man who beat the man 17 weights:- 5 = U.S.A 3 = U.K 2 = PHILIPPINES, MEXICO, JAPAN 1 = P.RICO, UKRAINE, INDONESIA HW = UKR - Klitschko C = UK - Haye LH = USA - Hopkins SM = UK - Calzaghe M = USA - Pavlik LM = USA - Spinks W = USA - Mayweather LW = UK - Hatton L = USA - J Diaz SF = PHI - Pacquiao F = IND - John SB = MEX - I Vazquez B = JAP - Hasegawa SFL = MEX - Castillo FL = PHI - Donaire LFL = P.RICO - Calderon S = JAP - Niida Only 8 different nations represented !!! good to know