Does anyone have a good argument for Cotto?

i'm not even trying to flame you... BUT HONESTLY.. Do you think cotto... Miguel Cotto could use the jab on Shane mosely? You gotta be kidding me. Sorry, had to do it.

You're right about Shane knocking down Collazo, I had forgotten about that. However, I still believe that his power and speed are overrated. The fact that you called Cotto a drunken dancer makes it obvious that you dislike him. If I remember correctly you said Zab would detroy him, so I don't think you respect his skills much. He has appeared hurt on occasions, but he always takes it and comes back. He took 39 power shots in one round from Torres and was only "down" after being pushed, so I don't understand why you and others question his chin. People say Pavlik has a great chin because he took flush shots from Taylor and only went down but recovered. P4P Torres hits MUCH harder than Taylor, and he still couldn't get Cotto down, so I think it's a racial-personal issue when people say he has a bad chin. Yeah, no that was good when he stayed up with Torres. I was impressed he took those all and kept at it. His chin is weird. I ain't gonna lie. NOBODY really understands Cotto's chin. However, it's obvious that the chin stuff can't be anything good. Eventually it's going to be some kind of problem. Maybe Miguel can take the punches now, but possibly later in life damage could show. Regardless, his brain was not well suited for getting hit. His body tells the reaction. It makes people uncomfortable to see someone hurt prematurely and/or unnaturally. I think that has alot to do with it. There are people who watch this sport that see something wrong with a guy who seems to be hurt so surprisingly. It feels wrong. Miguel also doesn't do the best job of protecting himself. It's gotta be hard for his family to watch. Imagine if that was your brother or son. Hopefully, it really isn't a problem for him. That's how I feel. I want good strong fighters putting on good shows. I hate weakness. That's why I have chosen against him.

Fine post, TY. But out of respect for the facts I'll say I few things.. Collazo has a good sturdy chin. He's had a previous TKO but Luis himself went on record claiming that that fight was stopped prematurely. Passionately so. Hatton caught Collazo blind with a momentum/balance shot and it was nothing more than a flash knockdown. Mosley also knocked Collazo down under roughly similiar circumstances only Shane did it in the late rounds. So Hatton is not at all one over on Mosley. Shane DID hurt Collazo in fact.. But Collazo is game. He was HURT though, no doubt about it. Also, Collazo was not one handed for shit. He broke his thumb. Thumbs are isolated in the gloves and do not hinder a fighters ability to make a fist. It was a lukewarm EXCUSE from Collazo. I don't blame him.. Luis is a damn good fighter and obviously no pushover. People forget overnight that he basically beat Hatton and got robbed.. Or so it has been said. In general; Mosley hasn't KO'd guys in the period you refer to because of the size of the gloves and the obvious fact that the guys he was fighting had very good chins. These are guys who have barely been knocked out for the most part. The details are significant when it comes to this issue. I'll tell you one thing.. ALL of those guys are harder to hurt than Cotto. People can talk about Diaz, Cruz, Estrada, all they want. Cotto is the drunken dancer. Not them. :firedevil You're right about Shane knocking down Collazo, I had forgotten about that. However, I still believe that his power and speed are overrated. The fact that you called Cotto a drunken dancer makes it obvious that you dislike him. If I remember correctly you said Zab would detroy him, so I don't think you respect his skills much. He has appeared hurt on occasions, but he always takes it and comes back. He took 39 power shots in one round from Torres and was only "down" after being pushed, so I don't understand why you and others question his chin. People say Pavlik has a great chin because he took flush shots from Taylor and only went down but recovered. P4P Torres hits MUCH harder than Taylor, and he still couldn't get Cotto down, so I think it's a racial-personal issue when people say he has a bad chin.

I haven't seen one. Even the guys picking him to win seem to only point out that Shane is 36 and has to slow down sometime. I've seen a ton of great points in Mosley's favor - "he's faster, stronger, a better boxer, better chin, etc..." Is it just that there is no good argument for Cotto? Does Shane really have to get old overnight to lose here? I want to hear why the people picking Cotto think he'll win. I would agree that Mosley is faster and the better boxer, but I wouldn't agree that Mosley is stronger than Cotto at 147. Cotto seems to have gotten so much stronger with the move to 147. I think that Cotto's constant pressure and vicious body attack will slow Shane down in the later rounds where his speed won't be as much of a factor later in the fight. Shane also tends to want to stand toe to toe at times, and I think that favors Cotto. I don't expect him to box and move as much as people think. After he takes a couple of hard shots, he will want to stand and trade to try and prove he's the stronger of the two. I think the longer the fight goes, it favors Cotto, because he seems to get stronger in the later rounds, and I do think that Cotto's youth will come into play not to mention I think he is hungrier at this point in his career. Should be a good fight though.

paul williams > god rodney jones > god larry dixon > god and daniel santos is about even. :lol1: :owned: ................

Thats what I'm talking about but Viva Mexico thinks Margorito is GOD. paul williams > god rodney jones > god larry dixon > god and daniel santos is about even.

Margarito needs to lick the wounds that Williams inflicted on him first before even thinking about fighting Cotto. Thats what I'm talking about but Viva Mexico thinks Margorito is GOD.

:tool: Dude you say some of the dumbest shit!!!!!! There is no way possible that Magorito will retire Cotto. You are really stubborn or you're a fucking dumb clown. I sure hope you're just being stubborn. Margarito needs to lick the wounds that Williams inflicted on him first before even thinking about fighting Cotto.

people tend to forget just how smart Miguel Cotto can be, I have always said he is a Puncher/Boxer with a great chin which is the worst combination in Boxing in terms of fighting against. Cotto breaks you down and he doesn't do it with pitter patter, he does it with strong, hard, fast and premeditated punches. he is a puncher who can Box. he also knows how to cut off the ring very well which is why he was able to pressure Zab so much and force the fight. people just call him a good puncher and they need to dig a little deeper into the crust, there IS a method to his mayhem.. Miguel doesn't just wail off, Shane does.. when forced into an intense exchange Shane is known for letting his hands go and form a blaze. he also is vulnerable to shots he can't see, I know pretty much ALL fighters are but Shane will be ready for the canvas once hit with a bomb he didn't see, Cotto knows how give himself more space yet not stop hitting, he showed against Torres that he's dangerous even while hurt, Cotto's body attacks will also play a big part in chopping Mosley down.. expect some low blows and not because "Cotto is a dirty fighter" but because Shane jumps in and out, he has A LOT of movement and when doing his thing and Cotto will ALWAYs go for that body so when Cotto throws a punch to the belt line and Shane jerks up real fast it can land low and it wont be neither one's fault it will just be 2 colliding styles.. bottomline I see Cotto chopping Mosley down with shots in combo's that will vary from the face to the body, I see a lot of in-fighting from Cotto and I see Shane playing along with it, he will in turn fight Cotto's fight and allow for Cotto to land shit that will fold him, maybe a punch to the solar plexis or maybe a hook to the grill I just see Cotto finding enough room to step in HARD with his punches due to Mosley's willing habit of exchanging and taking those chances.. if Cotto is a brawler then so is Mosley they are just the same kind of brawlers, smart punchers who know when and where to strike off instinct accept Mosley is faster, thats his true advantage here because he can find Cotto faster than Miguel can find him but sometimes Mosley throws so much that he ends up throwing too much and leaving himself open for bone breaking shots from the right guy, Cotto IS that guy. Forrest didn't hit Mosley the way Cotto will so it's safe to say Mosley has never faced a puncher like Cotto, Vernon may hit harder but he doesn't fight as intense like Cotto, he fights more of a skilled and laid back round winning fight, Cotto CAN do that too but he's going to fight come Nov 10th, it's just going to be about who has more fight in them and I say Miguel will even though Shane is faster.. 100

cotto isnt taht good of a fighter. he has been having hard fights with bums before. mosley will knock him out and then margarito will retire him. :tool: Dude you say some of the dumbest shit!!!!!! There is no way possible that Magorito will retire Cotto. You are really stubborn or you're a fucking dumb clown. I sure hope you're just being stubborn.

i'm not even trying to flame you... BUT HONESTLY.. Do you think cotto... Miguel Cotto could use the jab on Shane mosely? You gotta be kidding me. He can and will. Cotto doesn't have a "control the pace" type jab like a forrest or lennox, but he will use it effectively.

i'm not even trying to flame you... BUT HONESTLY.. Do you think cotto... Miguel Cotto could use the jab on Shane mosely? You gotta be kidding me. I don't think, I know.

I can relate to you on the whole PRIDE aspect. I am Eastern European and I support the fighters from there, you're Puerto Rican and you support your fighters. There HAVE been some crazy posters on here that have said Cotto is on the same level as Trinidad and that kinda pissed me off. I have got a lot of money riding on this fight and I am huge Mosley fan so don't take it the wrong way if I get worked up in some of my posts. im actually half rican but i do know what ur talking about...but those thread has been made by ppl ho doesn't like cotto if cotto fans or ricans posted is that they may be a possibility that cotto could reach more achievements than trinidad but not comparing.

cotto isnt taht good of a fighter. he has been having hard fights with bums before. mosley will knock him out and then margarito will retire him. hahahaha sure viva mexico whatever u said.

i'm not even trying to flame you... BUT HONESTLY.. Do you think cotto... Miguel Cotto could use the jab on Shane mosely? You gotta be kidding me. why not??? are YOU serious???

anyone who thinks cotto would stand a chance vs pre-forrest mosley should stop watching boxing...

I do, and it involves using the jab and working inside. Not letting Mosley dictate the pace, where he can get comfortable and land power combos. I really dont feel like making a long post about it, but that's the gist of it. i'm not even trying to flame you... BUT HONESTLY.. Do you think cotto... Miguel Cotto could use the jab on Shane mosely? You gotta be kidding me.

cotto isnt taht good of a fighter. he has been having hard fights with bums before. mosley will knock him out and then margarito will retire him. I was thinkin they'll put him in with Margarito after this loss. Good call.

To me the only area age may factor in is Mosley's ability to withstand an all out war. At 36, his speed and pop are still there. We saw what Calzaghe just did at 35. In today's age where boxers dont fight as often, the development of training techniques, and supplements, age is not as much as an issue for the bigger fighters. Exactly. And I have seen a lot of Cotto fans say that Shane is too old and won't be able to withstand a war with Cotto if it comes to it. Unless he comes out looking like Castillo against Hatton I don't think age will be a factor in this fight.

ok wlad but u have to understand PRIDE and being a FAN is important i haven't seen ppl here comparing to trinidad that was actually mosley fans or ppl who dislike cotto where would sports be if there is no opposites rivalry that's how it is. I can relate to you on the whole PRIDE aspect. I am Eastern European and I support the fighters from there, you're Puerto Rican and you support your fighters. There HAVE been some crazy posters on here that have said Cotto is on the same level as Trinidad and that kinda pissed me off. I have got a lot of money riding on this fight and I am huge Mosley fan so don't take it the wrong way if I get worked up in some of my posts.