Question for DIOS and his FAN CLUB

Neither of those guys have ever fought outside the continental United States. Most of Floyd's fights have been in Michigan or Vegas, the rest have been on more or less neutral ground apart from aganst Gatti in Atlantic City. De La Hoya has similarly seldom fought outside Las Vegas. Calzaghe by comparison has fought outside the country twice (in Copenhagen and in Germany) and has spent about half of his career fighting outside Wales. Floyd fought in my hometown at the time of san francisco and the crowd not neutral at all, almost everyone in there was cheering for jesus chavez, the fight against castillo was similar with the majority of the crowd going for castillo. I mean, you really have to look at divisions when you ask why these guys never fought outside of the united states, when you think about 130/135/140/147 every single contender who has been worth something over the last 10 years has fought out of the united states american or not, i think sometimes in the midst of Calzhage/Hatton you guys forget its not just americans who are fighting out of america, EVERYONE who is usually worth something fights out of this country. Isreal Vasquez and Rafeal Marquez, 2 mexicans born and bred, yet their superfight was here in america, do you see what im saying? Who should floyd have fought outside of the united states that wasnt already here? Seriously, like i said, jesus chavez was from chicago, yet their fight in san francisco was a majority mexican crowd almost all in his favor. Seriously alot of fighters, De La Hoya etc, who should de la hoya have fought outside of the united states? I think you guys are emphasizing on a global emphasis that ISNT THERE for some divisions, especially in the lower weights where geographically mexico and puerto rico and the philipines are close enough to the united states and so many people have family ties here, they are gonna end up here one way or the other. Puerto Ricans are american citizens regardless so that doesnt even matter to begin with. But either way i think you guys are taking this emphasis on americans not fighting outside of america too far, if you lived here you would understand that the demographics of this country are not like youre own, joe calzhage fighting in say Denmark is like if i fought out of southern california and then had a fight in south florida, its hostile territory. Some of you forget this country is heavily divided culturally and no one american is gonna support a fighter just because hes american, race, culture and orgin play a factor in the support of the general public, not just the fact they are american, thats why people fight here, when have you seen an english fighter fighting in england and the majority of the crowd was cheering for a russian? thats how it is here.

how come ottke never faced roy, toney, michael nunn, or any great 168-175 american fighter. he stayed in europe getting gift decisions. same goes for calzaghe getting hometown decisions all throughout his career. imagine floyd or oscar only fighting in their hometown throughout their entire careers. :ugh: lol when has Calzaghe ever got a gift decision? you sound like an asshole kid shut up im starting to belive all floyd fans are silly little kids just like you

Good point. What does Floyd do in the ring that would give u reason to praise him, yet downplay Joe's performance Sat. night? I dont wanna hear about what Floyd has accomplished. I dont wanna hear what Floyd did at 130/135. I wanna know how is it that you Floydboyz saw Floyd's performance against Baldomir and Oscar, as a GREAT performance, yet say that what Joe did Sat night was less than stellar. For the record, i was going for Kessler that night, but Joe sure did impress me for a guy his age. He didnt have to take risks late in the fight, and he did. Hello. Any Floydboyz around to answer this question? I know its hard, but im sure one of u guys can come up with some sort of logical answer to this.

Good point. What does Floyd do in the ring that would give u reason to praise him, yet downplay Joe's performance Sat. night? I dont wanna hear about what Floyd has accomplished. I dont wanna hear what Floyd did at 130/135. I wanna know how is it that you Floydboyz saw Floyd's performance against Baldomir and Oscar, as a GREAT performance, yet say that what Joe did Sat night was less than stellar. For the record, i was going for Kessler that night, but Joe sure did impress me for a guy his age. He didnt have to take risks late in the fight, and he did. Floyd HIMSELF gave credit to Calzahge, calling him the best fighter to ever come out of the U.K. I guess the Floydboyz caught a tit fit when Joe didnt return a favorable comment about Floyd. Calling Floyd a "runner" and saying that he will RUN from Hatton.

Good point. What does Floyd do in the ring that would give u reason to praise him, yet downplay Joe's performance Sat. night? I dont wanna hear about what Floyd has accomplished. I dont wanna hear what Floyd did at 130/135. I wanna know how is it that you Floydboyz saw Floyd's performance against Baldomir and Oscar, as a GREAT performance, yet say that what Joe did Sat night was less than stellar. For the record, i was going for Kessler that night, but Joe sure did impress me for a guy his age. He didnt have to take risks late in the fight, and he did.

we americans have perfected the art of fighting, the european system of boxing is not very competitive. I mean look at calzaghe's resume where is the world class opposition Yep, the last two American fighters that Calzaghe fought were Sugar Jeff Lacy and Bonecrusher Manfredo, they fought that perfect style of fighting that only Americans have perfected... how come ottke never faced roy, toney, michael nunn, or any great 168-175 american fighter. he stayed in europe getting gift decisions. same goes for calzaghe getting hometown decisions all throughout his career. Ottke was a scrub. Calzaghe beat Mario Veit on points in Germany. He hasn't always had "hometwon decisions". imagine floyd or oscar only fighting in their hometown throughout their entire careers Neither of those guys have ever fought outside the continental United States. Most of Floyd's fights have been in Michigan or Vegas, the rest have been on more or less neutral ground apart from aganst Gatti in Atlantic City. De La Hoya has similarly seldom fought outside Las Vegas. Calzaghe by comparison has fought outside the country twice (in Copenhagen and in Germany) and has spent about half of his career fighting outside Wales. Not to forget he got blasted out by a journeyman semi-bum in Phillips. In the good old days boxers were not dismissed because of a single loss. I'd like to see a return to that, perhaps then we would have less cautious scheduling decisions being made.

Well Wiley, Mayweather ain't ducking Hatton. So if and when Mayweather beats Hatton, will you stop with the Mayweather ducked Kostya shit? Or will you still keep trying to bring it up? Just curious. (And you have got to deep in your OWN heart Hatton is going down).

Wiley, he put it on you BAD. Yeah he assumes facts not in evidence to obscure the point of the article. He's saying that because the deal to fight Hatton was eventually made, then there was no opportunity for Floyd to have signed to fight Tszyu. Unfortunately for his conclusion, the article speaks for itself in saying that the deal had not yet been made as Tszyu wanted to fight Floyd on the offer mentioned in the article. The Hatton deal was eventually made, but only after it became clear Floyd was not in the picture...ie..he was going to fight Gatti. He even goes to lengths to say "Tszyu was lying throug his teeth" in this article. lol Well, he can believe what he wants, but it sounds like he's grasping for straws. Which he is. I stand by my post. The evidence is self explanatory. If someone wants to disbelieve portions of it to suit their own needs, then fine. Let them. I don't care.

Wiley, he put it on you BAD.

No comment on Kostya Tszyu. I can't waste much time on that guy. He got shitted on by a journeyman...and ran from that guy his whole career. Instead of trying to avenge that brutal loss, he takes on 38 yr old Leija. Fair enough. Hey Dios, did you see the new thread "Master Boxer"? It's pretty good and I posted something you might find to be fairly honest about Hatton.

No comment on Kostya Tszyu. I can't waste much time on that guy. He got shitted on by a journeyman...and ran from that guy his whole career. Instead of trying to avenge that brutal loss, he takes on 38 yr old Leija. but he was the creator of this.. just messin...

where in the article below do you see an offerto fight floyd. on the contrary you see zoo playing hide and go seek with the media as to his true intentions. the article dated below is for 12-14-04 which means three weeks after his fight with sharmba mitchell (took place on nov 19th 2004) the british press had already got wind that a deal had been made to fight ricky hatton for 5 million. and as it turned out the british media was telling the truth, because zoo wound up fighting ricky hatton for the same amount leaked to the press so as of 12.14.04 zoo had already sealed the deal to fight hatton in manchester and was lying about wanting to face floyd and gatti before facing hatton: You can think what you want, but I'm going on the evidence. The fact is that the Hatton fight had not been agreed upon as of December 14, 2004. Floyd had two months to negotiate with Tszyu for a fight. He never said a word. INSTEAD he signed to fight Gatti. There is another article that's been posted by Dios where Floyd even talks about wanting Gatti first and then maybe he would consider a Tszyu fight. Nevertheless, the promoter cited in the article held out an offer to make a fight between Tszyu and Floyd, and it was this offer that Tszyu publicly expressed an interest in the article cited above. Again, Floyd never muttered a word. There is no evidence anywhere to suggest he wanted any part of the deal. But, a person as biased as you will believe what he wants to believe in spite of the evidence. So go ahead. I'm not here to convince you of anything. This issue was covered extensively by debate before you appeared on this site, and believe me I stand by the post, and I further believe that those who took it upon themselves to challenge my contention would just rather you left this alone. I'm done here. Peace out.

Don't need to because we all know that at 135-140 he fought nothing but bums after Castillo II. He dodged Tszyu and that shows his character that business comes before taking risks. Hopefully, Hatton will orchestrate Floyd's demise for the benefit of the sport. That kind of talks hurts your boy Tszyu considering that Mitchell and Judah were his best wins. Not to forget he got blasted out by a journeyman semi-bum in Phillips.

and now for the facts: Zoo went on to fight hatton for 5 million in 2005 not floyd or gatti two fighters ranked higher then hatton at the time and as zoo admitted more important on the world scene. now who was dodging who again. based on your article zoo wanted floyd or gatti but opted for the lower ranked not universally recognized ricky hatton. why didn't zoo go for the more high profile fight against floyd:ugh: zoo took on the weaker comp in hatton for a reason:smashfrea notice the date of the article oct 2004. Zoo had a fight in nov of 2004 against sharmba after that fight zoo went into immediate negotiations with frank warren to set up a fight with ricky hatton. even the previous article posted above shows that zoo took the easy fight in hatton and by passed floyd at 140. the question for you is why did zoo say in the dec 14th article he wanted floyd and then wind up fighting hatton in 2005 a fighter he admitted wasn't on floyd's level:ugh: Because Floyd showed no interest in the offer to fight Tszyu.

sure he hasn't:ugh: you must be referring to his devastating ko of perter manfredo:ugh: floyd vs castillo was a fair decision and was not rendered in floyd's hometown. unlike the miranda vs abraham fight and so many other fixed fioghts that have taken place in europe. the list is so long it is a known fact that american fighters should never fight in europe or they will get robbed. So far you have offered no examples of dubious decisions which Calzaghe benefited from which proves that you are talking shit and in your desperation to display your vast geographical knowledge of America it obviously escaped your attention that Castillo and Mayweather are from different countries and it wasn't Mexico they were fighting in.

how come ottke never faced roy, toney, michael nunn, or any great 168-175 american fighter. he stayed in europe getting gift decisions. same goes for calzaghe getting hometown decisions all throughout his career. imagine floyd or oscar only fighting in their hometown throughout their entire careers. :ugh: You are just making things up now. Calzaghe has not had any hometown decisions not least because he does not always fight in his hometown but more importantly because he doesn't need decisions. You are too stupid to understand anything about the geography of anywhere outwith the United States and believe me you sound exactly that when you come away with this pish. And since you're mentioning dodgy decisions what happened when Castillo fought Mayweather first time around? Or how about when the Golden Boy took on Felix Sturm? Who was getting gift decisions then?

So Wiley Hyena my friend. How do I bet all my points on Mayweather vs. Hatton? I'm not being a smart ass. I just have never put a bet on this website. Help a mutha phucka out.

got you running like a scalded dog. how can an active fighter duck an injured fighter:ugh: once again for your viewing pleasure: zoo had one fight in January of 2003 this is a fact:twak: zoo had one fight in Nov of 2004 this is a fact:twak: after is fight in Nov of 2004 zoo took the money offer from hatton a fighter ranked lower then floyd another fact:twak: now how could floyd dodge an injured fighter Here it is dumbass. Read it and weep: Mayweather and the 5 Bums -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- After seeing the incredible allegations of a few Mayweatherites here alleging that the great Jr. Welter Weight Champ Kostya Tszyu ran from Floyd Mayweather, Jr., I was inspired to set the record straight. My findings: After a truly impressive campaign at 130, Floyd moved to 135 in 2002. The problem began here and it's name was Jose Luis Castillo. After losing to Castillo on everybody's card but the judges' in the first fight, Mayweather used his defensive skills to salvage his reputation in the rematch. After that scare, Mayweather then proceeded to call on the hapless Lovemore N'dou. N'dou unexpectedly proved a stiff test, but Floyd passed it. Bum number one was conquered. Who would the self proclaimed greatest fight next? We were immediately deflated. Sosa was served up like a cold fish on April 19, 2003. Fully in stride now, Mayweather moved up to Jr. Welter (140), where hall of famer Kostya Tszyu reigned supreme. Instead of calling on Tszyu, Floyd proceeded to feed on a steady diet of bums. On May 22, 2004, it was Demarcus Corley. On January 22, 2005, it was Henry Bruseles. And, on June 25, 2005, Floyd dismantled the last of the 5 bums, the washed up warrior, Arturo Gatti. 5 bums and no Tszyu. Tszyu fought in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. He was top ten p4p in all those years. He began that period of time as the Jr. Welter Weight unified undisputed champion (the first to do it in 30 years). During the mid portion of that period he held two titles, and finally lost the IBF title to Ricky Hatton in June 2005. He retired after that fight at age 36. During this period, there were no serious inquiries from the Floyd camp about a fight against Tszyu. Cheap talk, no walk. After initially posting my opinion that it was Floyd that ran, not Tszyu, I became the subject of a veritable deluge of outrage, criticism, and lewd (but somewhat entertaining) invective by certain Mayweatherites on this site. I want to thank each and every foul mouthed one of you. You inspired me to PROVE my opinion with evidence, evidence of which you said was non-existent. Mr. Dios Dominicano and his gang maintain that Tszyu never, I repeat NEVER, made one single statement indicating his desire to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. and thus somehow "ran" from Floyd. Exhibit #1: KOSTYA TSZYU DENIES DEAL TO FIGHT HATTON According to a recent report by GRANTLEE KIEZA, Kostya Tszyu has again confirmed there is no deal to fight hard-hitting Englishman Ricky Hatton for $5million. Two weeks ago Tszyu told The Daily Telegraph exclusively that he wasn't fighting Hatton on March 5 in Manchester as the British press had announced and was forced to repeat his position yesterday after reports out of England saying a deal had been made. Before heading off to his native Russia to collect a major award from President Vladimir Putin, Tszyu said yesterday: "I am not fighting Ricky Hatton in Manchester anytime soon. "I can't believe Hatton's promoter is still saying I am fighting him because there has been no deal made. "Right now I am having a holiday for a few weeks and just enjoying time with my wife and kids. When it is time to fight again we will see who is on offer. But I promised my family I would not be training over Christmas so I will certainly not be fighting again by March." When told that Warren said he had a verbal agreement with Tszyu's American-based promoter Vlad Warton, Tszyu smiled and said: "I decide who I fight, no one else." Tszyu said he was far more interested in an offer of $10.5 million from American promoter Murad Muhammad to fight WBC champion Arturo Gatti and former world junior-lightweight and lightweight champion Floyd Mayweather. "I want to fight them both," Tszyu said. "They mean a lot more on the world scene than Ricky Hatton." 12-14-2004 kostya-tszyu-news.newslib.com/story/2381-1113289/ Exhibit #2: KOSTYA TSZYU INTERVIEW Scoop: Comment on fighting Floyd Mayweather... Kostya Tszyu: "It would be a great fight. I fought his uncle (Roger-W 12 in '95 in Newcastle, Australia) who's training him now. It would be good to fight him too. I remember after Olympic Games ('96) we were in same room as Bob Arum, he just started his career. I already was world champion. It would be a good, good matchup. If the short time will be able to produce this match, it will be a great fight." October 25, 2004 www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=2064&more=1 ARGUMENT: Just as I always said, Tszyu was always open to any top contender at 140, ESPECIALLY Floyd. Floyd simply did not want any piece of Tszyu. Who knows, maybe uncle Roger didn't like the idea? You will note that Tszyu destroyed Sharmba Mitchell (4 knockdowns and KO in the 3rd) on November 6, 2004. Tszyu remained unsigned and available to take a fight with Floyd for roughly two months after that fight. Mayweather didn't sign to fight Gatti until after January 30, 2005. Unfortunately for boxing, DURING THIS TIME PERIOD Floyd never muttered a word. Instead of going after one of the greatest 140 champions of modern times, Floyd signed to fight the fifth installment in our gallery of bums, Arturo Gatti. There was no mention of Tszyu. There were no inquiries about getting the fight. There was nothing but a resounding wall of silence. Result? Tszyu signed to fight Ricky Hatton, and the rest is history. This is evidence. Floyd can talk it up all he wants AFTER the fact. It doesn't matter. The self proclaimed "greatest of all time" skipped out on a real fight of historical proportions against the man. I present to you, "The Theory of the 5 Bums."

By world class what you really mean is fight in America which is stupid really, even more so when you consider that guys like Kessler and Calzaghe have probably fought a wider range of nationalities than the so-called world class fighters who fight in the States. to be fair, mexicans, puerto ricans, americans, filipinos pretty much top the list when it comes to the top fighters in the world right now, and they all fight here, wider range of nationalities yes, higher quality of opposition, well, who knows.

I just think he looks like a queer fighting his way outta spiderwebs. So funny and so true.