In response to a thread made yesterday regarding Wladimir's chances against some of the Heavyweight divisions golden boys, which fighters from yesteryear do you think would lose to this modern day heavy? After a few setbacks, Wlad seems to finally showing the talent that he promised back in 2002. However do you rate his chances against these guys?
klitschko beats any pre-ali heavyweight and i mean ANY. he's too big for all of them
prime tyson i think would be wlads worst opponent.
i wouldnt want to see wlad after eating a right hook to the body, then uppercut to the face. i think tysons bodyshots are what opened up all his huge punches for him, and this would happen vs wlad
Wlad would'nt be able to deal with Tyson's power and sooner or later would be caught, A prime/young/hungry Tyson would be bad news for him, If samuel peter can catch him jus imagine what would a young tyson do the 1988 version would beat him, wlad wont be able to handle that pressure for 12 constant rounds. Ali and Holmes would easily outjab Wlad, and Wlad's jab is his main punch that keeps him in control, it would be a stylistic nightmare for him, Foreman would be the worst nightmare as he has power that no HW could handle and a chin made of rock, Ali beat Foreman and Shavers do of the most powerful heavy's do u remember? Also Louis would beat Wlad because of his Power and Activity, Louis faced a 6'7 250 lbs Buddy Baer and knocked him out silly, im not comparing him directly as I think Wlad is better than Baer but Louis could fight bigger men and worst of all knock them out with his right. Prime Holyfield brings too much Power, Speed, if you dont remember what sort of a beast he is back in the days. Lewis and Bowe beat Wlad because similar fighters with the same size, both of them have a great jab, Bowe had a great fucking chin and was a monster back in the days at 6'5 245 lbs (His prime weight) and he beat Prime Holyfield twice as well.
All of the fighters you mentioned were exposed at some point in their career. The new version of Wlad has all the tools to beat any fighter in Heavyweight history. Vitali is also capable of beating any all time Heavyweight.
I feel you, I know that Carnera was all size but he was actually bigger than what Wlad is so Wlad IS within the realm of defeat against Louis, it ain't like his size would have meant anything when standing in front of The Brown Bomber, Wlad has been completely knocked out by lesser punchers, it was said by many that a punch from Joe Louis hurt more than a standard kick from a horse, the impact of his punch was more devastating, Joe Louis is the best Heavyweight Champion, let alone fighter, that has ever laced a pair of gloves in that division.. Rocky Marciano cried when he beat Louis, he approached Joe's locker room with tears in his eyes apologizing to Joe saying thing's like "I had to do it Joe, I'm sorry" and Joe told him "Don't be sorry Rocky the better man won tonight".. he is the greatest Heavyweight of ALL time, Wlad would have been an easier task than MANY of Joe's opponent's, Louis reigned supreme in what was the golden era of the division.. 100
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I feel you, I know that Carnera was all size but he was actually bigger than what Wlad is so Wlad IS within the realm of defeat against Louis, it ain't like his size would have meant anything when standing in front of The Brown Bomber, Wlad has been completely knocked out by lesser punchers, it was said by many that a punch from Joe Louis hurt more than a standard kick from a horse, the impact of his punch was more devastating, Joe Louis is the best Heavyweight Champion, let alone fighter, that has ever laced a pair of gloves in that division.. Rocky Marciano cried when he beat Louis, he approached Joe's locker room with tears in his eyes apologizing to Joe saying thing's like "I had to do it Joe, I'm sorry" and Joe told him "Don't be sorry Rocky the better man won tonight".. he is the greatest Heavyweight of ALL time, Wlad would have been an easier task than MANY of Joe's opponent's, Louis reigned supreme in what was the golden era of the division.. 100
Dude, get off Joe's balls, he ws also chinny like Wlad. Louis wouldn't be able to get past Wlad's superior jab and Wlad would eventually knock Louis out cold. Wlad 6,6 245 lbs Louis 6,2 200+ lbs
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I voted that he could beat every fighter on list..... However I wasn't given the option of who could also beat Wlad... I would say a prime Tyson could win 5 out of 10.. Lennox VS Wlad would be a Toss Up everytime.. olmes Might steal a few .... Joe Louis is supossed to be the best of all time.. Although he fought in quite a weak ERA.. So I guess he could too.. But most of these guys Including Louis Ali Fraizer and Marciano Are too small IMO to be able to land enough hurtful punches... Ali VS Wlad would prolly be a snore a fest with neither guy landing much at all..
Say what you want about Wlad... I know that his Speed power and Size.. make him a Potential ATG... His Dominance is scary.. These guys are NOT bums.. And yet after they fight Wlad.. They are suddenly BUMS... I know This is not HW's strongest ERA.. But neither was Louis or Marciano's time.. The 80's weren't all That.. and the 70's had 5 or 6 guys who would have been great in ANY era.. But the rest of the field was quite weak...(Chuck Wepener was top 10.. Nuff said) The 90's prolly being the deepest decade in history....
Yes wlad is always one Punch away from falling apart.. But serioulsy can anyone land it anymore???
I think Louis would beat Wlad, but Carnera was a piece of shit compared to Wlad. Carnera just had size, Wlad is actually athletic and knows how to throw good punches. big difference.
He would have a decent chance against a few, only one Im positive he would beat is Dempsey.
Holyfield and Marciano get the ?, but on the other hand, they were pretty hard punchers with great stamina and tons of heart.
I feel you, I know that Carnera was all size but he was actually bigger than what Wlad is so Wlad IS within the realm of defeat against Louis, it ain't like his size would have meant anything when standing in front of The Brown Bomber, Wlad has been completely knocked out by lesser punchers, it was said by many that a punch from Joe Louis hurt more than a standard kick from a horse, the impact of his punch was more devastating, Joe Louis is the best Heavyweight Champion, let alone fighter, that has ever laced a pair of gloves in that division.. Rocky Marciano cried when he beat Louis, he approached Joe's locker room with tears in his eyes apologizing to Joe saying thing's like "I had to do it Joe, I'm sorry" and Joe told him "Don't be sorry Rocky the better man won tonight".. he is the greatest Heavyweight of ALL time, Wlad would have been an easier task than MANY of Joe's opponent's, Louis reigned supreme in what was the golden era of the division.. 100
I voted wrong...I thought it said which fighters would have beaten Wlad.
Ali,Holmes,Bowe,Lewis,Holyfield,Foreman,Louis would have beaten Wlad
but Wlad beats Dempsey,Marciano,Frazier,Patterson,Liston
Hey bro, Wlad would beat little Tyson,Louis,Holyfield and Ali, he is too strong for them. He would also outjab Bowe and Holmes, those two could be beaten with great jabs and Wlad has a great jab and punches harder than them.
The toughest fights for Wlad would be Lewis and Foreman, those are pickem fights.
Pretty much all of them. This does not mean that Wlad is a champ of their caliber as of yet. But head to head most of those little men stand little chance.
Holmes and Lewis are the easiest. Both were tall jabbers fighting a taller guy with a better jab and more two-handed power, and better handspeed.
Marciano, Dempsey, and even Tyson would be easily eliminated and way overmatched.
Frazier stands a better chance than those three of both getting past the jab and suffering the beating needed to get close to Wlad.
Holyfield and Ali are in the best position to take Wlad away from his game.
Louis I'll give the nod out of respect, though Wlad would be by far the best guy he ever faced. Wlad is no Max Baer, no Schmelling either.
A lot of people don't know that Schmelling knocked out Louis in Louis' prime. Instead of Schmelling then getting a title shot, Louis gives Braddock 10% of his purses FOR LIFE to get a shot at the title instead. The rest is history, Louis gets knocked down by Braddock but goes on to beat him and then later avenges his loss to Schmelling, though Schmelling was washed up at that point.
Pretty much all of them. This does not mean that Wlad is a champ of their caliber as of yet. But head to head most of those little men stand little chance.
Holmes and Lewis are the easiest. Both were tall jabbers fighting a taller guy with a better jab and more two-handed power, and better handspeed.
Marciano, Dempsey, and even Tyson would be easily eliminated and way overmatched.
Frazier stands a better chance than those three of both getting past the jab and suffering the beating needed to get close to Wlad.
Holyfield and Ali are in the best position to take Wlad away from his game.
Louis I'll give the nod out of respect, though Wlad would be by far the best guy he ever faced. Wlad is no Max Baer, no Schmelling either.
do you know who Primo Carnera is? if not, I suggest you look him up and then you tell me if Wlad is too big for the best Heavyweight ever in Joe Louis.. 100
I think Louis would beat Wlad, but Carnera was a piece of shit compared to Wlad. Carnera just had size, Wlad is actually athletic and knows how to throw good punches. big difference.
He would have a decent chance against a few, only one Im positive he would beat is Dempsey.
Holyfield and Marciano get the ?, but on the other hand, they were pretty hard punchers with great stamina and tons of heart.
Joe Louis - VK is way too big. Louis would get KTFO, he is not even a heavyweight by todays standards.
Muhammed Ali - VK gets TKO'd
Larry Holmes - VK gets KO'd
Rocky Marciano - Again, way too big for marciano to handle, marciano would be eating straight punches and getting KO'd before he got anywhere near being on the inside.
Lennox Lewis - prime Lewis would KO VK
Evander Holyfield - Holyfield loses this, too big for him.
George Foreman - VK gets KTFO
Jack Dempsey - Too small to fight VK would get KTFO like Rocky Marciano
Joe Frazier - VK gets KTFO
Mike Tyson - VK gets KTFO
do you know who Primo Carnera is? if not, I suggest you look him up and then you tell me if Wlad is too big for the best Heavyweight ever in Joe Louis.. 100
Joe Louis - VK is way too big. Louis would get KTFO, he is not even a heavyweight by todays standards.
Muhammed Ali - VK gets TKO'd
Larry Holmes - VK gets KO'd
Rocky Marciano - Again, way too big for marciano to handle, marciano would be eating straight punches and getting KO'd before he got anywhere near being on the inside.
Lennox Lewis - prime Lewis would KO VK
Evander Holyfield - Holyfield loses this, too big for him.
George Foreman - VK gets KTFO
Jack Dempsey - Too small to fight VK would get KTFO like Rocky Marciano
Joe Frazier - VK gets KTFO
Mike Tyson - VK gets KTFO