foreman had heavier hands than someone like tyson, but his technique, speed, and use of angles weren't as good, therefore u saw less one punch kos or cases where a guy was basically done after a shot or two.
but foreman had amazingly heavy hands.
like metal clubs!
he would just swing them and ppeople would fall!
foreman had heavier hands than someone like tyson, but his technique, speed, and use of angles weren't as good, therefore u saw less one punch kos or cases where a guy was basically done after a shot or two.
but foreman had amazingly heavy hands.
Tyson hit Pinklon Thomas with something like 18 unanswered punches before Thomas slumped to the canvas. I just think that if Shavers hit him with 18 unanswered punches, Pinklon would have been in the morgue.
Tyson hit you hard and fast. He was devastating. The question here is who had the 'single hardest punch'. For me its Shavers.
My thoughts exactly....
I don't know that the personal testimony of someone named Larry Holmes counts for anything in this debate, but Larry himself said, NO ONE HIT HIM HARDER THAN SHAVERS. Not even Mike Tyson whom he faced when he was 9 years older than he was when he met Shavers.
Tyson hit Pinklon Thomas with something like 18 unanswered punches before Thomas slumped to the canvas. I just think that if Shavers hit him with 18 unanswered punches, Pinklon would have been in the morgue.
Tyson hit you hard and fast. He was devastating. The question here is who had the 'single hardest punch'. For me its Shavers.
I don't know that the personal testimony of someone named Larry Holmes counts for anything in this debate, but Larry himself said, NO ONE HIT HIM HARDER THAN SHAVERS. Not even Mike Tyson whom he faced when he was 9 years older than he was when he met Shavers.
I picked Shavers and I believe the visual and anectdotal evidence backs me up. That being said, I believe people could make a good case for Foreman, Liston, Tyson, Marciano, Louis, and Lewis. Those are ALL viable candidates, they are NOT off-the-wall picks. All were legitimate one-punch KO artists that deserve some consideration. I don't believe anyone should have his knowledge questioned for making a case for any of them. Like I said, ALL of them deserve some consideration.
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sorry i said that only because he said that shavers is only a choice for a person who is trying to look like an expert in boxing. tyson was a hard hitter but shavers hit harder; with less precision and speed.
as you say none of us can be sure of it but i feel quite certain
I never claimed to know a fair bit about boxing. I have only claimed to have certain biases and I sure as hell know what and whom I like in the sport. You are solely responsible for your perception of me - and by extension - your judgement of my knowledge.
As for who had the hardest punch ever, my pick is Mike Tyson. I have never seen opponents manifest the effects of a punch the way Tyson's did...
I have no interests in your bias only that you are discounting other more knowledgable peoples opinions in favour of your own.
we are not picking our favourites here it is about the hardest punch!
it doesn;t surprise me in the least to see you picked tyson it is the choice most young people who dont know a great deal about boxing make, despite the evidence to the contrary.
Tyson was a freak of nature. I really don't consider him a one punch KO fighter. What made him so devastating was his HAND SPEED. For someone that strong to have to be able to throw those combos...
As far as knock you dead power with one punch, it's a toss up between Lewis and Foreman imho.
I like, and root for Wlad, but I don't think he is "arguably the hardest puncher of all time." He simply hasn't faced enough quality opponents for us to judge. For example Larry Holmes may have been one of the all-time greats but we don't know. He dominanted the 80s but against what competition? If he had come up 10 years earlier and fought against Ali, Norton, Frazier, Foreman and we would have had a better idea. The same goes for Wlad. Foreman knocked Frazier down 6 times. Frazier was the heavyweight version of Hatton (although I think with a much better defense) pressuring opponents, willing to get hit to land devasting body shots and hooks to the head.
Wlad is one of the hardest punchers but
1. his KO record is not better than a young Forman and
2. he doesn't have the same kind of one punch knock out power that they had and
3. he hasn't faced enough top-tier fighters with world class chins (Frazier) for us to truly evaluate him.
I disagree, he definitely has the same type of one punch power as they did. His single punches dropped Brock, Byrd, Mc'Cline, Mercer, and Brewster all guys with solid chins.
Single punch?.........................hands down.........TYSON
Tyson would have been OWNED by a young Foreman, Cus even told him so. And Tyson usually knocked his mostly tomatoe can opponents out with an accumulation of punches in combinations.
you seem to think you know a fair bit about boxing but judging by some of your posts you don't!
just out of interest who do you think had the hardest punch ever?I never claimed to know a fair bit about boxing. I have only claimed to have certain biases and I sure as hell know what and whom I like in the sport. You are solely responsible for your perception of me - and by extension - your judgement of my knowledge.
As for who had the hardest punch ever, my pick is Mike Tyson. I have never seen opponents manifest the effects of a punch the way Tyson's did...
The name of Earnie Shavers figures prominently in every discussion of hard punchers in the heavyweight division. I suspect that many who declare him the hardest puncher ever, do so for the sole purpose of seeming cool, hip and knowledgeable. If he was as hard a puncher as so many purport him to to be, he must have been one lousy fighter. Otherwise, how do you explain a puncher of his caliber never having won a championship?
I must cop to extreme prejudice against non-champions. To put this in perspective: I have more respect for John Ruiz (a lousy fighter) than I do for Earnie Shavers (a great puncher). In my anal-retentive-narrow-minded point of view, a great puncher who has never won a championship is akin to a toothless pitbull - all bark and no bite.
earnie shavers was the hardest puncher in heavyweight history but he was not a good boxer he lost most rounds he fought but almost always came up with a big KO
he won alot of fights on his power alone.
like alot of power punchers he was fearsome against journeymen but feel short against the best fighters.
other examples of this type of boxer are:
nigel benn
julian jackson
david tua
hamed
and there are many other lesser ones as well.
power does not make a boxer great.
you seem to think you know a fair bit about boxing but judging by some of your posts you don't!
just out of interest who do you think had the hardest punch ever?
I believe he suffered from a condition known as glassjawitis.I'm not sure... but I can remember only five times that Shavers visited the canvass. That's not too bad for an 89-fight career. In one of those, he was KO'd by a 20-something kid in his last fight when he was already 50 years old.
Shavers debuted in the late '60s at a rather late age of 22 and fought until 1995, with periods of temporary retirement in between.
The first foe to drop and take out Shavers was Ron Stander who was later KO'd by Joe Frazier in a title fight. Then, Jerry Quarry pummeled Shavers with more than a dozen consecutive punches to TKO Shavers in the first round. Then, a fighter named Bob Stallings KD'd Shavers on the way to a UD 10 win. Then, Ron Lyle and Shavers exchanged KD's.
When Holmes stopped Shavers in their second meeting, Shavers was erect and aware of his surroundings. He was just totally exhausted. When Randall "Tex" Cobb TKO'd Shavers, it was the same thing. The ref stopped the fight because Shavers was visibly too tired to throw a punch.
Shavers lost a total of 14 fights and was stopped only in half of those.
Shavers did have stamina issues, as he himself admitted. Some blamed that on his training methods and his fight strategy. He tended to forego cardio exercises and to throw power punches all throughout the early rounds thus was often very tired by the middle rounds.He was also often inaccurate and made too many wild swings. Even in winning the few fights he had that lasted into the late rounds, he looked pretty spent.
In retrospect, Shavers said he tended to rely on his power too much and didn't bother to hone his skills in the fine points of the game. He regrets having gone that way, he said.
The name of Earnie Shavers figures prominently in every discussion of hard punchers in the heavyweight division. I suspect that many who declare him the hardest puncher ever, do so for the sole purpose of seeming cool, hip and knowledgeable. If he was as hard a puncher as so many purport him to to be, he must have been one lousy fighter. Otherwise, how do you explain a puncher of his caliber never having won a championship?
I must cop to extreme prejudice against non-champions. To put this in perspective: I have more respect for John Ruiz (a lousy fighter) than I do for Earnie Shavers (a great puncher). In my anal-retentive-narrow-minded point of view, a great puncher who has never won a championship is akin to a toothless pitbull - all bark and no bite.
The fellas who denied Shavers a world crown had names like Ali and Holmes.
Shavers was given a shot at world titles only twice.
After their fight, Ali was quoted as saying, "Ernie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa." Shavers had KD'd Ali.
Ali also said, Shavers is "...a tough nut to crack," as he waved a plastic replica of an acorn at the tip of a keychain. That was how Ali gave Shavers one of his two ring monikers, "The Acorn."(The other was, "The Black Destroyer."
Shavers KD'd Holmes in the 7th round of their second fight before losing by TKO in the 11th--totally exhausted.
There were those who thought they saw Holmes out of it on his way to the canvass. He dropped to the canvass like the proverbial empty sack. Miraculously, he managed to rise.
An overhand right was what did it.
I checked youtube to refresh my memory. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM6qQ50SpPw