Every time I see the Hagler Hearns fight I think "god damn, Hagler was a lion. When is the last time anyone in the MW division came into a fight with another champion and demolished him the way Hagler took out Hearns? I meant it was NON-STOP till someone went down.
Have you ever seen BHop, Wnky, Taylor, or anyone of there peers come out with all guns blazing like that?
DO YOU AGREE. HAGLER WOULD DEMOLISH ALL CURRENT MW'S? MAYBE EVEN SOME OTHER ALL-TIME GREATS?
I think he is the best MW of all-time.
hagler is the man
i hope to meet one day
one of the best if not the best middleweight of all time
he did get robbed against leonard
and a prime hagler i believe would destroy damn near anyone
i think he and hopkins would have a closely contested fight with hagler winning by a decision
and the only middleweight i can see hagler having serious problems with is roy jones
but hagler = goat middleweight
Every time I see the Hagler Hearns fight I think "god damn, Hagler was a lion. When is the last time anyone in the MW division came into a fight with another champion and demolished him the way Hagler took out Hearns? I meant it was NON-STOP till someone went down.
Have you ever seen BHop, Wnky, Taylor, or anyone of there peers come out with all guns blazing like that?
DO YOU AGREE. HAGLER WOULD DEMOLISH ALL CURRENT MW'S? MAYBE EVEN SOME OTHER ALL-TIME GREATS?
I think he is the best MW of all-time.
I agree with that. Especially before he got to the down side of his boxing career, just wow. His counterpunching ability, movement, two fisted power, ... was something to behold.
As others have stated, Sugar Ray Robinson may be the "pound for pound" greatest boxer ever, but I do not think that he was greater than Marvelous Marvin Hagler at middleweight. At his peak, Hagler would have beaten anyone in history at middleweight, imo. :)
He even he demolished my favorite boxer of all time, in Thomas Hearns. :pat:
/e fades back into the shadows, lurking mode toggled on
I think he would win a descision over B-hop and probably lose a split descision to roy jones in thier primes. In any era, I dont think nobody could shut out bernard hopkind once he had his game plans figured out. (even sugar ray robinson) But i do think Hagler would win a majority decision over Hopkins. I think roy has the ability to out point Hagler in a split descision because of all that talent and speed. Roy was undefeated has a middleweight and hagler loss to sugar ray lenard at middleweight. I know he was robbed but technically sugar ray beat him. But i think if he hit roy on the chin he could knock him out because roy has a glass chin. :boxing: :boxing: "peeleft: "peeleft:
Every time I see the Hagler Hearns fight I think "god damn, Hagler was a lion. When is the last time anyone in the MW division came into a fight with another champion and demolished him the way Hagler took out Hearns? I meant it was NON-STOP till someone went down.
G-Man fought like that. He was more consistently aggressive than Hagler, who usually was more patient.
That may have been in part because Gerald wasn't as skilled as Hagler.
Every time I see the Hagler Hearns fight I think "god damn, Hagler was a lion. When is the last time anyone in the MW division came into a fight with another champion and demolished him the way Hagler took out Hearns?
Have you ever seen BHop, Wnky, Taylor, or anyone of there peers come out with all guns blazing like that?
How about Tito vs Hopkins? Before that fight many people had Tito at the top of their p4p list and that fight turned out to be nothing but pure domination. I know it wasn't as short as hagler hearns but Bhop destroyed an all time champ I thought.
I see you're quick to point this out yet completely ignore the fact that hagler's best wins were over a former lightweight and a former welterweight.
By 1984 when Hagler started facing Duran, Hearns, Mugabi, Leonard had alrady cleaned out MW in spectacular fashion. (and he did that almost twice, before and after being champ).
Even if you want to compare Ouma and Spinks to Duran, Hearns, Mugabi and Leonard (LOL at the idea). Hagler looked much better against those 4 than Taylor did against the previous two.
Roy Jones Jr Are you fucking kidding me. Hagler could come in at 160 and roy at 175 and hagler would bend him over fuck his ass then ko him. My god RJJ has one of the worst chins off all time and is the most overrated bum of all time because he built a huge record on belts and dodged to many people to count.
How do you think hagler would do vs Tarver or Glen Johnson.how is he an overrated bum? very stupid post, he beat great fighters like Toney and Hopkins, and he never got beat in his prime and everyone knows it, RJJ in 175 would demolish Hagler.
as well as he did? 2-0-1 officially and 1-2-0 in reality?
against a smaller 35 year old man, and against a 40 years old Hopkins throwing 3 punches per round.
Coupled with his not being able to shine against jr. middleweights and welterweights, you can surely see the mark of greatness very clearly.And where would be the talent 160 is oozing? Pavlik with one relevant win in his entire career?
I see you're quick to point this out yet completely ignore the fact that hagler's best wins were over a former lightweight and a former welterweight.
translation to english: I got no answer to your logical arguments
So having close fights against two future hall of famers isn't an accomplishment in your eyes? whatever you say.
A little hyperbole on my part. I got a liitle carried away. Prime Roy could give anybody a tough fight. But I see Hagler tracking him down and putting a hurting on Roy. B-Hop would see all his little tricks and tatics go by the way side as soon as he hit Hagler... and all Hagler would do is smile.
Hagler could win against both, not easily at all. that's my point.
I personally think the dumb, stalking, ubermacho version of Hagler (Mugabi, Leonard) would lose to both, but late 70-early 80s Hagler could very well get the job done. (especially against Jones, pressuring would not really work from a MW, IMO, because Jones' one punch power at 160 was litereally terrifying)
i'm not going to bother trying to argue with you, you're obviously another fan who's stuck in the past.
translation to english: I got no answer to your logical arguments
as well as he did? 2-0-1 officially and 1-2-0 in reality?
against a smaller 35 year old man, and against a 40 years old Hopkins throwing 3 punches per round.
Coupled with his not being able to shine against jr. middleweights and welterweights, you can surely see the mark of greatness very clearly.
And where would be the talent 160 is oozing? Pavlik with one relevant win in his entire career?
i'm not going to bother trying to argue with you, you're obviously another fan who's stuck in the past.
There are plenty of fans who believe that taylor won all three fights. I had him winning both of his fights against hopkins and drawing with wright. Hopkins was hardly throwing at all in both fights, i don't see how anyone could've given him the verdict in either.
If taylor was so bad, he wouldn't have performed as well as he did against hopkins and wright. The division is packed with talent at the minute.
as well as he did? 2-0-1 officially and 1-2-0 in reality?
against a smaller 35 year old man, and against a 40 years old Hopkins throwing 3 punches per round.
Coupled with his not being able to shine against jr. middleweights and welterweights, you can surely see the mark of greatness very clearly.
And where would be the talent 160 is oozing? Pavlik with one relevant win in his entire career?
huh?
With Sad Intentions undisputed champion, there is nothing "best" about MW
If taylor was so bad, he wouldn't have performed as well as he did against hopkins and wright. The division is packed with talent at the minute.
he would probably beat them, but to say he'd demolish them is a bit ignorant. The middleweight division at present is one of the best in the sport.
huh?
With Sad Intentions undisputed champion, there is nothing "best" about MW
Really? You don't say? You think one of the greatest middleweights ever destroys the current crop? No kidding.
In an unrelated topic, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Michael Jordan is better than anyone on the Knicks.