What basic boxing style do you prefer? Most fighters can and do use a combination of styles, or make adjustments during a given fight, or against a given opponent, but all have their own basic or signature style, and start all fights in this mode.
Slick Boxers (Ali, Leonard) are elusive and measured in their attack. They like to "stick and move" on their toes. "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee."
Power Punchers (Foreman, Tyson) like to plant their feet and put their whole torso into the punch. Almost every punch has a jarring effect, even jabs.
Brawlers (Duran, Pryor) are all over their opponents from the opening bell. They are relentless in their swarming attack and opponents eventually succumb to a cumulative effect of punches.
Boxer-punchers (Louis, Robinson) are adept at cutting off the ring and use their jab to set-up power punches. They use combinations and can KO opponents with a single punch by either hand.
Well, the thread is about favorites, not who's actually the best at which style. You're right, he's a superb fighter, but like many people think, he's boring to watch.Since one can't seperate the styles from to fighters, it's not off topic to discuss the fighters that best exemplified the styles...
That would be Mayweather. Klitschko got it easier (being bigger than 90% of his opposition due to the no weight limit). Mayweather is a better example. Can box going forward AND while going back. Can fight on the inside (Oscar) and on the outside (Baldomir). The most complete. In the HW Klitschko is the better fighter of all but don't forget is huge physical advantages over 90% of the opposition. Congrats to his mom and dad i guess :ugh:
Well, the thread is about favorites, not who's actually the best at which style. You're right, he's a superb fighter, but like many people think, he's boring to watch.
"One of my favorite swarmers was Qawi. I loved watching him slip shots from the crouch and then beat up his opponents slowly."
There was one dude who used his lack of height to his advantage. He tucked his chin in extra tight, & created a very difficult target. He also had a great left jab, which he brought up from down low. Very punishing fighter, though I'll alays dislike him to a degree for beating Saad Muhammad.
Good point. I might add that while Duran came to prominence as a "brawler" he pretty much deployed all 4 basic styles as the situation or opponent dictated. The fight that best exemplified his brawling style was (aptly named) "The Brawl in Montreal" which kept Sugar Ray Leonard back on his heels...
Wait a minute, u talkin about the same fight where mister 4 styles kept sayin' "No Mas"?That was an uncalled-for low blow/cheap shot! The guy had a meltdown... nobody's perfect...
Hagler, especially, is mistaken as a brawler/arrior type. He won a great deal of fights by boxing. He'd paste guys with that awesome jab, rake them with combos, & not take much back in return. Once he hurt them, though, he turned up the heat & finished the job. He brawled more against certain opponents (Hearns, Obel, Mugabi).....
He also boxed a little too much against both Duran & Leonard. He needed to get on their asses earler & more than he did.
True. Hagler was a boxer-puncher. It gets a little annoying when newbies talk about him like he was totally a brawler and slugger. Watch some Hagler fights besides the Hearns one, or the latter rounds against Mugabi.
I like all types. When Floys is boxing more in the pocket or trading (Chavez, Gatti, Ndou, Burton, Corley) , and not moving as much (Baldomir, JLC 2), I enjoy watching him a lot.
I like guys who attack, but much more when they're skillful, like a J.C. Chavez or a young Tyson. One guy who was an attacker (but with very good boxing skills as well) that I actually find more fights dull or tedious than entertaining is Roberto Duran. That is usually not his fault, but he was so good on the inside that guys would hold him a lot of run, and the fights would often be ugly (Buchanan, Bizzarro, especially Lampkin). But I still like watching the great things Duran did, you just had to sit thru a lot of stink to get there.
One of my favorite swarmers was Qawi. I loved watching him slip shots from the crouch and then beat up his opponents slowly.
Wait a minute, u talkin about the same fight where mister 4 styles kept sayin' "No Mas"?????? He was good but like the next guy said, he was skilled Brawler, he knew how to setup his wild shots with feints & head movement! U Can Dig it?!?!:boxing:
No. The first fight, which Duran won....was in Montreal. the second was in New Orleans.
How do you not know that ?
Good point. I might add that while Duran came to prominence as a "brawler" he pretty much deployed all 4 basic styles as the situation or opponent dictated. The fight that best exemplified his brawling style was (aptly named) "The Brawl in Montreal" which kept Sugar Ray Leonard back on his heels...
Wait a minute, u talkin about the same fight where mister 4 styles kept sayin' "No Mas"?????? He was good but like the next guy said, he was skilled Brawler, he knew how to setup his wild shots with feints & head movement! U Can Dig it?!?!:boxing:
Yeah but Duran was a skilled brawler. He had the art of infighting to a tee. Used alot of feints, head movements, angles, this guy was the perfect infighter. Extremely skilled alot like Toney. Both of these guys really learned the craft to infighting and making a foe miss but slipping or taking the sting off shots. He also fought a little on the outside against Leonard. Picking his shots against the younger and seemingly more talented foe.You won't get an argument to the contrary from me...
I hear ya. I think the main reason Hagler is known for being a warrior of sorts is because of his training habits. I mean, the guy trained year round and excluded himself from everyone. Alot like Hopkins...both of these guys are extremely skilled infighters and guys who knew every little trick. Just because they arent in the same mold as guys like Leonard, Ali, they kind of get a bad rep and get underappreciated. Fuck that. I do have him losing to Leonard, by the way. :banana:
I agree with you about Larry. He was just a crazy athlete. I honestly believe he would be made for any sport. I heard he started boxing really late...to have the skillset he had (which wasn't exceptional but was still very good) was pretty amazing. That jab is the best I have ever seen...and yes better then Ali's.
I just watched Arguello - Pryor I the other day for the first time in a long, long time. Was it just me or was Pryor actually BOXING later in the fight. Proves my point that the best fighters are the fighters who can adapt..fight inside, fight outside, fight as a slugger not just one dimension (guys who just stay on the inside, guys who just fight on the outside).
Yes, he was......& that was what really helped him win the fight. He was overwhelming Arguello with early activity, but Arguello hung in & was starting to land a good amount of power shots. When Pryor switched to boxing, he shut Arguello down, cut him, & took some starch out of Alexis.
Of all the experts polled back in the day.....Steve Farhood was the only person who picked Pryor to win. He actually felt that if Pryor boxed, he could definitely befuddle Arguello, who was slow-footed (as shown when he was upset prviously by Vilomar Hernandez).
Pryor showed a little of everything in that fight.
Brawlers get a bad rep. Pryor and Duran were both extremely skilled athletes. They aren't just "brawlers" who look for that one big shot.Good point. I might add that while Duran came to prominence as a "brawler" he pretty much deployed all 4 basic styles as the situation or opponent dictated. The fight that best exemplified his brawling style was (aptly named) "The Brawl in Montreal" which kept Sugar Ray Leonard back on his heels...
Aaron Pryor's epic battles with Alexis Arguello also best exemplified his brawling style. As Nostromo said, all it takes is one "brawler" to guarantee and exciting fight. When both fighters decide to brawl in one fight, you get toe-to-toe epic battles like Gatti/Ward and Barrera/Morales.
All those guys with the exception of Jackson were super skilled enigma's. Guys who generally get reps for being 'brawlers' but in essence these guys were super skilled guys who liked to fight and thrived off of getting hit. Jackson was just exciting as hell with that punch of his.
I think you like those iron chinned, skilled, warrior types. All of the guys you mentioned had big hearts.
Hagler, especially, is mistaken as a brawler/arrior type. He won a great deal of fights by boxing. He'd paste guys with that awesome jab, rake them with combos, & not take much back in return. Once he hurt them, though, he turned up the heat & finished the job. He brawled more against certain opponents (Hearns, Obel, Mugabi).....
He also boxed a little too much against both Duran & Leonard. He needed to get on their asses earler & more than he did.
Larry Holmes was definitely a boxer. He rarely fought on the inside. He didn't have much of a left hook. But, he did not lay back & wait. He made the guy punch. He also had as much heart as any fighter I have ever seen.
I like what you said about both Pryor & Duran, smokin'......very true.
Dude, this guy was skilled though. Threw straight shots, nice footwork, incredible speed. He just threw punches in bunches and got hit alot which is why people classify him as such.
He also jumped in throwing six to eight straight hooking body shots without throwing a jab, and led with the right hand often abandoning defense while getting hit flush. He was a mobile slugger.
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I gotta go wit Boxer/Puncher as well. The guy who can actually setup his power shots/combinations with the jab (not just 1 jab but multiple jabs pumpin at his opponent) always has better control over the fight, there's no guess work! Best example to me is Floyd Mayweather Jr, early Roy Jones Jr, & my boy B-Hop(depending on who he's fighting-which is a shame). Now can u Dig Dat?!?!?:boxing:
My All Time Fav's
- Joe Louis
- Muhammed Ali
- Sugar Ray Leonard
- Marvin Hagler
- Bernard Hopkins
- Floyd Mayweather Jr
- (early)Roy Jones Jr.
- (early) James Toney
It's important to note, SRR wasn't a boxer/puncher and was more of a mobile slugger. The theoretical boxer puncher is technical, Robinson was anything but. He'd use movement but let his hands go so fast with power shots at abandon that I don't think you could classify him as such.
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My favorite fighters are Hagler, Chavez, Julian Jackson, Larry Holmes, Mike McCallum.....mostly different types of fighters.
Though not the one of the bunch I rooted hardest for, I find myself most appreciative of the way McCallum fought. Consumate pro, super-relaxed, worked the foe over with a variety of shots to all the spots (body, of course). Perhaps, I appreciate him so much, because he was generally underappreciated ?
Pure Boxer/Boxer-Puncher/Brawler Hybrid like Oneil Bell.
He runs in circles, then lays on the ropes to absorb shots just for the crowd, then he swarms the opponent, then he goes back to running circles.
Just exciting all around. It's also exciting to see how he simply covers up but takes punches...........he's a showman.
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Brawling (as defined by the thread-starter). When at least one of the fighters practices this style, the fight is guaranteed not to be dull, as it forces the action.
boxer-punchers. tommy hearns, nuff said
inside-the-pocket counter-punchers: james toney who whipped barkley
hybrid style - boxer-swarmer: hopkins during the early '90s.