"Past his Prime" VS "SHOT"...big difference

Apart from Gatti at no part of his career would ever have tested PBF like Castillo tested PBF. Hatton must also be given credit for downing Castillo who has never been down. Castillo could have had continued to fight past his prime and any boxer who would have had the ability to stop Castillo would need to be given credit. I said that in my earlier post. I stated most concisely in another thread but here is the post. Exactly. Castillo was definitely shot and I would've been on Hatton's fans asses if Castillo went the distance but Hatton won the way he was suppose to do.........he Won decisively. MANY including myself gave PBF huge props for defeating a shot Gatti. A Gatti who even at his prime was not an Elite fighter. It wasn't that PBF beat Gatti that garnered him respect it was that he dominated and won decisively. The same damn thing for Hatton-Castillo. You can't hold the PBF-Gatti fight as a masterpiece and a Great fight while simolutaneously denouncing Hatton for his win. Hatton-Castillo is the same thing as PBF-Gatti.

Is Erik Morales SHOT or Past His Prime fighter? Erik is def past his prime, no question. If you watch the Erik Morales from 3-5 years ago compared to now you can see the difference. As for shot? I guess I do believe so. And I think Manny was the one who put the nails in the coffin. Morales is going to trade when it's possible, and at this point because of the damage he's taken in all of his previous fights then the wars with Manny, trading isn't going to favor El Terrible. Much like Castillo, I cringe when Morales was getting hit. In the past, these guys have had iron chins. But you can see that when they get tagged it takes a little longer for them to recover as opposed to the punches not even bothering them. Ngodjou brought that out of Castillo and I think Diaz would be better suited to try and draw Morales into that war.

The problem with your arguement is that this wasn't the begining of Castillo looking shot. Castillo looked shot and was claimed to be shot since his Ndougo (sp) fight. Many people have said that. Hatton does get credit from me however for how he defeated Castillo not in just defeating him. To me PBF-Gatti is the same as Hatton-Castillo They get credit for winning decisively and dominatingly not for simply winning. Apart from Gatti at no part of his career would ever have tested PBF like Castillo tested PBF. Hatton must also be given credit for downing Castillo who has never been down. Castillo could have had continued to fight past his prime and any boxer who would have had the ability to stop Castillo would need to be given credit.

Hatton needs credit for making Castillo look shot. Those body punches aged him before our eyes. Castillo did say he was in greatest shape he had been. I told you he shouldnt have said that, because if he lost to Hatton he would make himself look silly. The problem with your arguement is that this wasn't the begining of Castillo looking shot. Castillo looked shot and was claimed to be shot since his Ndougo (sp) fight. Many people have said that. Hatton does get credit from me however for how he defeated Castillo not in just defeating him. To me PBF-Gatti is the same as Hatton-Castillo They get credit for winning decisively and dominatingly not for simply winning.

Hatton needs credit for making Castillo look shot. Those body punches aged him before our eyes. Castillo did say he was in greatest shape he had been. I told you he shouldnt have said that, because if he lost to Hatton he would make himself look silly.

that wasnt even castillo in the castillo-hatton fight that was castillos 65 year old dad :ugh: your posts just get better and better

de la Hoya is past his best days, but would still beat any fighter 147-154 no problem. Cotto, Margarito, Spinks, Simms, Karmazin, Baldomir. It dosn't matter. You could even argue that he beat Mayweather and Mosley, and many people would see it that way. Oscar looked fantastic against Mayweather except when he stopped throwing the jab. No way in hell is he washed up, but he is a little older now and of course that is going to make him fight differently. He is still damn good, just not the same guy that manhandled Chavez. Castillo on the other hand is shot. I hate to say it, but he is done. He should fight some B level bum and retire.

Like I said earlier I give Hatton tons of credit for beating Castillo it was a very good win for Hatton. However Castillo was clearly a shot fighter. Those who dont recognize that are blinded by there love for Hatton. With that said Hatton gets credit from me for the decisive manner in which he took out Castillo. Like I previously posted you can't discredit Hatton's win vs Castillo while simultaneously praising PBF for his win against an shop worn (and never elite to beging with) Gatti. Both fighters earned respect from me in those respective fights for the manner in which they won and not by the mere fact that they won. They both won decisively and impressively against guys they should've beaten, which is exactly what I expect from an elite facing a non-elite.

I think Morales is shot those Wars have taken it out of him, and also theres no way in hell that anyone could claim Mayweather was shot if Hatton were to beat him, he has never been in a war in his life and has handpicked his opponents since he has moved up

Is Erik Morales SHOT or Past His Prime fighter?

Oscar would beat any fighter at 154 not named Mayweather... Travis Simms would beat him clearly.

I think the the Ricky Hatton you saw against Castillo will make any fighter look 'shot' or 'past his prime'

For the record, I did not intend this thread to turn into Hatton/Mayweather. You picked some pretty poor examples, and also worded in such as way as to diminish the quality of Hatton's win. Mayweather's opponent was "past his prime", Hatton's opponent was "shot"?

Ahaha, so effectively Mayweather deserves credit for beating his 'invincible' past his prime fighter and Hatton deserves no credit for defeating his 'almost dead' past his prime fighter? Castillo was MADE to look so bad by the fact that Hatton was incredibly aggressive. I agree on the bottom line of your post (Hatton deserve credit for destroying castillo like no one ever did before), but Castillo already looked bad against ngoudjo, and honestly it is no surprise, castillo-corrales pretty much ended both fighters' careers.

I think it's funny when posters here start to discredit a fighter's victories because "so and so" was out of his prime when that fighter is still a very capable and formidable fighter. Case in point, several posters here have called Floyd's victory over Oscar meaningless because he wasn't the 25 year old Oscar and the fight was semi-close. The main point is that Oscar would still beat the majority if not all Junior Welter's out there. (not to mention all the advantages Floyd allowed Oscar) Sure he's not the bouncing Oscar of the past but his skills are not eroding the way a "shot" fighter would present himself. When you see Jose Luis Castillo practically falling over his own feet, that goes beyond "his best days are behind him." At that point you can honestly say the guy has nothing left in the tank. All credit to Hatton for doing what should be done to a shot fighter...knock him out. I think what it boils down to is that if a fighter can adapt and change his style accordingly as they age, it allows the fighter to still compete at the highest level, then you cannot discredit a victory over that fighter. Floyd Mayweather is not the same fighter today as he was at 135. Does that make him past his prime as well? No, he's a different fighter today....but still Pound for Pound the BEST. Ahaha, so effectively Mayweather deserves credit for beating his 'invincible' past his prime fighter and Hatton deserves no credit for defeating his 'almost dead' past his prime fighter? Castillo was MADE to look so bad by the fact that Hatton was incredibly aggressive. De La Hoya was allowed to look better against Floyd because PBF DIDNT take the fight to him, didnt go out there to hurt him and wear him down. He just beat him to the punch. Castillo would and still might beat most of the JWW's out there. They are both past their prime, they were both great fighters. Both Hatton and Mayweather deserve equal credit for their victory. PBF deserves some extra credit due to the fact that De La Hoya was a much naturally bigger and stronger and more powerful fighter, but then Hatton deserves extra credit because of the overwhelmingly convincing manner of his victory compared to Floyd's. For the record, I did not intend this thread to turn into Hatton/Mayweather. Then perhaps you ought not to use them as your ONLY two comparisons in your thread post.

Hatton beat a faded castillo and floyd beat an older dlh!!! Who cares really they should be fighting each other anyway!!!

I give Ricky credit but his resume is not in Mayweather's league. It was obvious Hatton was gonna win that fight after the 1st round. It was a nice body shot though. Hatton will be exposed. It can be done by Malignaggi or Floyd. Pick your poison. if you think Malignaggi can "expose" Hatton, you will not see the fight you expect if Hatton and Mayweather get in the ring. It is going to take a master to tame Hatton, and it is not going to be an easy job.

For the record, I did not intend this thread to turn into Hatton/Mayweather. This thread apply's to so many different posts I've seen here in NSB. Apparently, if a fighter loses than all of a sudden he is past his prime. If he loses twice than he's shot. It's just not the case.

I give Ricky credit but his resume is not in Mayweather's league. It was obvious Hatton was gonna win that fight after the 1st round. It was a nice body shot though. Hatton will be exposed. It can be done by Malignaggi or Floyd. Pick your poison.

People have been saying Castillo is shot in order to discredit Hatton's win. Age 33 is too early for a fighter to be shot. Duran fought 100 more fights than Castillo, and continued until he was 50. He was in worse wars against bigger and stronger fighters as he moved up the weight divisions. When it's November 10 and Hatton beats Mayweather, some of the haters will finally be silenced. There will be no excuse, Mayweather is far from shot... It can vary.. Vargas was shot at basically 28.. Riddick Bowe the same thing. There are countless others.. Age is in no way a determining factor. Beatings, and how many and often can determine that.