why do you lot all give hatton stick?

There was a statistical analysis in one of the national basketball magazines a few years back. A key problem with your examples is that there are many more Michael Olawakandis than there are Adam Morrisons. There have also been in the history of the draft a shockingly high number of white late-picks who became good players. I don't have the article at my fingetips, sorry. But just put all the lottery names in front of you from the past ten years and I think you'll see I'm right. You came too late, BJ. I expected a response from you this morning, but TS and I beat this thing to death. Yes there are many olawakandis, but there are also Muresans, Reeves, Milicic, Bradleys, etc. If they NBA is discriminating against white players, why would my own team, the warriors, take an italian gaurd in the first round? The amount of busts are evenly balanced, from overhyped dukies like dunleavy and jay will, to complete crap like kwame brown, then there are some guys in international ball that are good on the world stage, but dont get 5 minutes playing time riding NBA benches because they cant adjust to our game. My observation from watching basketball all these years is that GMs will do whatever it takes to win, they dont discriminate, if they did, you wouldnt see them taking these white, 7'ft euro's who are 17 years old based on pure potential, just like you see lebron james taken out of high school (im talking to you macej lampe)

Everyone wants Floyd. Hatton has the unbeaten record and attitude to piss Mayweather off and force him into a fight.

BOOOOO! U sux! WTF are u talking about? Hatton wants PBF! PBF is on top of his game. Why should overated hatton call the shots?! Also...If hatton is better then PBF then why does hatton want to fight em?? Hatton knows that PBF would destroy him and shame his name in the U.K. Thats the reason why Hatton is giving him realy ugly offers! Because he knows PBF is not gonna take his bad offers. Then hatton will tell his fans PBF doesnt want to figt me. LOL Hatton the overated pussy needs to get a life. We all see the b1tch in him. Has anyone noticed? Why hasnt hatton mention SSM?? :owned: Why would Hatton want to fight Mosley? The big money and prestige is Mayweather, if that falls through there's an opportunity to fight Malignaggi at MSG as a prelim to a bout against Cotto at the same venue. Not forgetting that a certain Oscar De La Hoya is sniffing around Manchester's favourite son. Mosley won't even get a look in.

cheeky fuck He was a legal export, not one of the 'beautiful' illegals.

cheeky fuck

I dated a turkish girl whom I originally thought was russian, she was tall, had absolutely european face, blue eyes and brown hair Indeed, moroccans are arabic looking and that is north africa. I have a crush on morrocan girl at the moment. Turkish people vary considerably. Many are very European looking. Even in small areas there can be marked differences. It's a very interesting country is Turkey.

Been reading this forum now for a few weeks and am shocked at the stick a lot of peeps give Ricky Hatton. I won't comment on Rickys ability as I am a manchester lad whos a big fan of his so I am bound to be a bit biased. But what i will not accept is the fact that peeps have called hatton a ducker for only offering 5 million to fight mayweather and it being in england Now the pretty boy has already said that he will come to england to fight Htton and a whole lot more stick http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6328555.stm But if anyones ducking then its mayweather, hes already said what he reckons he will do yet doesnt seem to have the balls to carry it out Now i would prefer it to be in vegas. its great seeing 10000 of us coming over and it would be a great night. But the other thing that has annoyed me is the fact Mayweather thinks hes the big world star, sorry but no one knows who he is outside of the usa, and he doesnt even get people coming to his fights over there. if he came to England, how many peeps would come to watch him? maybe a coach full Now peeps need to understand, Ricky wants the big fights and is hungry, he doesnt need the cash, hes an ordinary bloke with more than enough to live on for the rest of his life. We'll see how hungry mayweather is as to be honest, hes just making himself look a fool Hello peeps btw Dave BOOOOO! U sux! WTF are u talking about? Hatton wants PBF! PBF is on top of his game. Why should overated hatton call the shots?! Also...If hatton is better then PBF then why does hatton want to fight em?? Hatton knows that PBF would destroy him and shame his name in the U.K. Thats the reason why Hatton is giving him realy ugly offers! Because he knows PBF is not gonna take his bad offers. Then hatton will tell his fans PBF doesnt want to figt me. LOL Hatton the overated pussy needs to get a life. We all see the b1tch in him. Has anyone noticed? Why hasnt hatton mention SSM?? :owned:

White people are so discriminated against, which is why there are so many white european imports in the NBA, often drafted over our own best college atheletes. White or black? Your saying white players are drafted far lower than their productivity, show me those players, i want fucking proof. You mad because Adam Morrison takes too many shots, bricks them and then doesnt play good defense? You mad because JJ Reddick, who was nothing more than a 3 pt sharpshooter, didint turn out to be the offensive machine he was never meant to be? College isnt the NBA. If white players are being discriminated against, i guess NCAA superstars like Mike Dunleavy Jr would have NEVER been drafred so high correct? How about Troy murphy? Andrew Bogut? Come on man, tell me who these white players are being kept out of the NBA There was a statistical analysis in one of the national basketball magazines a few years back. A key problem with your examples is that there are many more Michael Olawakandis than there are Adam Morrisons. There have also been in the history of the draft a shockingly high number of white late-picks who became good players. I don't have the article at my fingetips, sorry. But just put all the lottery names in front of you from the past ten years and I think you'll see I'm right. You came too late, BJ. I expected a response from you this morning, but TS and I beat this thing to death.

Turkish people are white. Everyone I know thats been to Europe say the Turks are *****s of Europe. No I'm not racist...

With Joe it's an obsession, I know that. England and America are different. In America white players are discriminated against heavily, by white fans and managers but especially by by the (less numerous) black fans. Whites here think athletes are supposed to be black. There's statistics to verify this. In basketball, for instance, white players are drafted on average far lower than their actual productivity. In boxing it used to be much worse, and the majority of American boxing fans are still uncomfortable with the idea of white boxing champions. Many such people do in fact post here. White people are so discriminated against, which is why there are so many white european imports in the NBA, often drafted over our own best college atheletes. White or black? Your saying white players are drafted far lower than their productivity, show me those players, i want fucking proof. You mad because Adam Morrison takes too many shots, bricks them and then doesnt play good defense? You mad because JJ Reddick, who was nothing more than a 3 pt sharpshooter, didint turn out to be the offensive machine he was never meant to be? College isnt the NBA. If white players are being discriminated against, i guess NCAA superstars like Mike Dunleavy Jr would have NEVER been drafred so high correct? How about Troy murphy? Andrew Bogut? Come on man, tell me who these white players are being kept out of the NBA

Because Mayweather shouldn't be fighting Hatton, he should be fighting Mosley or Cotto.

Not all Africans are black, and just because there is evidence that we all came from a common ancestor in Africa doesn't mean that the ancestor in question had dark brown skin. In fact most contemporary illustrations of australopithicus depict the species as being light skinned.

I'd class some Turks as white, because they obviously are. Some Turks aren't white though. For another racial group who became white have a look at the Magyars (Hungarians). They came from Asia originally.

It's definitely not 'subjective', and race is not so much a 'social construction' as it is biologically superficial. Contrary to what social theorists, who like to infer immediately from 'not biologically deep' to 'socially constructed', say, race is a biologically real phenomenon. And you have the Turks thing backwards, they didn't come from whites, the became white by integration over the past few millennia. My Final Post then im outta here for some time, Im sorry i dont class Turks as 'White', and thats my point, that certainly comes down to interpreatation of race and what it consists of, Some White Racists do not consider them white on racial grounds, Some White racists do. As far as race being real, I would advise you to take a look at Benedict Anderson's book- 'Imagined Communities'. I dont particulary want to make a case for race being a social construct right now, because i will get hounded for taking this off topic further.

So are white people black then? See, its subjective Think about what you are saying next time, lol. It's definitely not 'subjective', and race is not so much a 'social construction' as it is biologically superficial. Contrary to what social theorists, who like to infer immediately from 'not biologically deep' to 'socially constructed', say, race is a biologically real phenomenon. And you have the Turks thing backwards, they didn't come from whites, the became white by integration over the past few millennia.

No, skin color doesn't mean much, people make it out to be more important than it is! One summer I took a a couple of months off and went to our nude Wreck Beach here in Vancouver almost every day - I went from white to surprisingly very brown by August. Was I a different person? No. And i was partially incorrect, Turks are NOT arabs, but it seems that numbers of turks were converted to islam and taught to read the koran in arabic. Although i take this stuff with a pinch of salt.

Racism is stupid, DNA studies at Harvard suggest we all are descended from people who lived in Africa some 50,000 years ago. We're all related if you go back that far. So are white people black then? See, its subjective Think about what you are saying next time, lol.

You say you have a degree in history, and you think Turks are Arabic? They must have just passed you through, you don't seem very knowledgable. No, Turks are not Arabs, they are originally from central Asia, having moved west and conquered Asia Minor some 1000 years ago. It is debatable whether they are white or Asian, although they have intermarried with the original white inhabitants of Asia Minor over the centuries...they are not Arabic, they do not originate in the Arabic Peninsula and Arabic is not their language. Ask any Turkish person whether this is correct... It's sad that teachers let people graduate without their knowing very much - academic standards have obviously declined in Britain if Technical_Skill has a university degree! No mate, because you answered your own question, Do races stay the same or do they interbreed and change? Just because you dont orginate from somewhere doesnt mean you cannot become from somewhere? Example: if its true that ALL races come from Africa, are white people black? Answer that. And when your done ill begin requoting you posts on this subject, lol.

This is irrelavent, but: "Essentially the scientific investigations made in the last half of this century brought forward that the Turks belong to the white race and it came out that the Turks - belonging to the "Turanid" type of the "Europid" group which is one of the three big race groups on earth - had many different anthropological criteria that separated them in first line from the "Mongoloid" Mongolians (dominating quality white colour, straight nose, round face, lightly curly hair, middle dense beard and moustache)." Had a bit of time to re-read this, KJ this just seems like a theory born off new scientific investigations, it doesnt seem to prove anything, other than Turks may have ORIGINATED from white people, does that mean they are white, no? There are theories that ALL races come from Blacks africans and that climate change and continental drift are responsible for changes in skin colour, So are white people black? lol. And for the record, i am simply taking issue with several retarded statements made by Canada Joe, I am not one of those idiot Black people who think white people are to blame for every single one of our problems, race doesnt hold much primacy to me, it used to, and thats why i can make a point, but its becoming more and more irrelavant in my life. And to be honest, race is supposedly a socal construction, an invention, which isnt actually pratical in the face of new social research, if that makes sense.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Is he big? Is he black? Yes and yes. Is that any different to calling someone ginger or fat? You should really get some 3rd party opinions on your intelligence because you're clearly a little misguided as to your own standing. You're a fucking joke. I'm done with you. Edit: Just saw "lesson 4". 2 fans, hey? Do you not think your original statement was overstating things a little? Lol are you serious? You dont think this is racist? "He's big/He's black/He takes it up the crack/Sol Campbell, Sol Campbell." Fuckin el, your even more stupid than it first seemed, and thats a hard act to follow, make a poll on it, and see how many people agree with you lol. Shocking. That was lesson 3 by the way, and i think lesson 4 is about to come up.