Floyd And The Weight?

Do you guys think its fair for guys to always lose 40 or 50 pounds to fight someone at that weight? Do you think its fair for guys to put on a million pounds between the weigh-in and by time the fight starts? Do you think boxing would be a better sport if you had the fight and weigh-in on the same day? I wonder this because I just think about how freaky some weights are, espically when they come to a guy like Floyd. Im watching the Castillo-Hatton fight and Im saying "how can these guys fight at 140 and come into the ring weighing more then Floyd weighed when he's fighting at 154"? That actually happened. Its crazy. Hatton was at 149 & Castillo was at 153. The cat is easily P4P the smallest man in boxing and he gets no credit for it. He probally still should be at 140 right now and could easily still weigh 135. How can guys like Hatton walk around at 180 something pounds and fight at a lower weight then Floyd who walks around at 150? How crazy is it that when Floyd fought Chico at 130 & Castillo at 135 everyone knew they were way bigger? People will still tell you right now that Chico & Castillo are still way more naturally bigger then Floyd but he was nearing a fight at 154 when they were still at 135? How crazy is that? It makes no sense. When Floyd fought Chico at 135, Chico came in the ring at 147. Floyd is in the ring at 154 against Oscar weighing 148 and fighting a guy who has him by 20 pounds. I still say that is one of the most underrated wins in recent history. Probally since the old days. Oscar is not a chump but people will diss that win all day. If Oscar fought Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, and a ton of other guys they would still pick Oscar but Floyd beats him when he's 10x smaller and gets no credit for it. Its weird because now were talking about a Floyd-Hatton fight but everyone talks like Floyd is the much bigger man. Even Hatton is trying to play it that way talking about catch weights? How crazy is that when he clearly is much bigger then Floyd. There is no one who has done what Floyd has done in a long time. Even Pac just fought Morales and weighed 144? How crazy is that. He also walks around huge outside the ring. He's probally just as big as Floyd but Floyd is beating Oscar. Were talking about P4P but lets really talk about it. Floyd is the only true P4P guy if you want to be real about it. Let Hatton, Margarito, Castillo, and all these other guys fight at there walk around weight. Id love to see Hatton at LHW. Would he get destroyed or what? Floyd's basic walk around weight is WW. Who in boxing would even come close to him if you really had to be a WW to fight him? None of those top guys would be there. Cotto, Williams, Clottey, and all the rest would be getting slaughtered at SMW. He's fighting these monsters and gets no credit for it. Thats the only reason why those guys even have a chance of beating him and they still cant. Thats dead right bro!!! Floyd is always rubbished because of the hate factor and no one gives him props for these facts!!!

I think you could argue that there should be a maximum increase in weight between the weigh-in and the fight, but as to what boxers do in between fights, its nothing to do with anyone else but themselves.

Mayweather has exceptional reach, that is all.

Though the fight between Gatti and Gamanche showed that Gatti had a huge advantage. He weighed a lot more come fight night than Gamanche and it showed. But Gatti too was naturally a bigger bigger man than Gamanche...

making fighters weigh in the night of the fight doesn't make sense. what are you gonna do if they don't make weight, call off the fight and send a couple thousand people home? I agree....bottom line is that when asked, the fighters make weight. I think Floyd is as big as Castillo and Hatton. Hatton simply balloons in weight. He pigs out between fights and weight is gained on him. Floyd may also pig out, but his metabolism and body type may be different and he just does not gain the weight Hatton does, Every person is different and this applies to not just boxers. I do believe that if one fighter comes in 12-13lbs heavier on fight night than the divisions weight, and the other comes in 3-4 lbs heavier, it can have an impact for the positive and the negative. Maybe coming in and gaining so much weight in such a short space of time can actually work against you, make you ponderous and sluggish

Do you guys think its fair for guys to always lose 40 or 50 pounds to fight someone at that weight? Do you think its fair for guys to put on a million pounds between the weigh-in and by time the fight starts? Do you think boxing would be a better sport if you had the fight and weigh-in on the same day? making fighters weigh in the night of the fight doesn't make sense. what are you gonna do if they don't make weight, call off the fight and send a couple thousand people home?

I will always respect guys like floyd mayweather because they fight at their natural weight not guys who drain themselves 10-20lbs to get an advantage,It just shows how good guys like floyd are when they are able to beat the bigger and stronger fighter.

It's interesting points you bring up here, but what exactly is your goal with this speech? I understand that you feel Mayweather gets far too little credit for what he is doing, and I agree with that. Most people who compete in boxing will agree with you about Mayweather, and those that doesn't really don't understand much about the sport. Fighters like Hatton, who's walking around at 30-40 pounds more than fight-weight, is ruining their bodies. They will age quicker than necessary, because of the weight draining they do. Many fighters stop training after fights, and blow up like a balloon. Floyd, Hopkins and Mosley doesn't allow themself to neglect their bodies like Hatton, Tszyu and many others do. Hatton and Tszyu actually gets really fat between fights, so don't take what they walk around at as their natural weight. It's more like their lazy weight. Fighters who rely on speed can't let their body get much out of shape, or far over their natural weight, because then they will slow down. 10 extra pounds for Mayweather would make him much slower, both on his feet and his handspeed. Hatton relies more on power and strength, so more weight for him is positive in clinches where he rests his bodyweight on the opponent. What weight they aim to be at the night of the fight, is directly linked with what they aim to achieve. Less weight= more speed, lighter movements and more weight= heavier punches, more resistant to be pushed around, but slower movements.

Do you guys think that the savior Jesus Christ drains down too? I mean I bet Floyd would come in and fight him too once he's resurrected on earth, but this guy is a freaking monster! He's like a other worldly being who kills himself to make 140/147, and then he re-hydrates back up to demigod. Apart from being able to turn water into wine and shit, and the whole walking on water thing, this guy would probably come into a Welterweight fight at 170 easy. Floyd is still more skilled and all, and he'd probably beat him, but Jesus definitely has an unfair advantage, like everybody Floyd has fought. Floyd is so fucking great. Oh fuck yeah.:dance:

DLT, you make a lot of great points, but I disagree that guys like Cotto and Clottey would get raped at SMW and Chico and Castillo at LMW. If they fought the dudes who fight there NOW, like Oscar and Calzaghe and them, you'd be right, but you're saying that if everyone fought at the weight class that they weigh in naturally, then there would be no mismatches. It would just mean everyone would go up to a heavier category, but the guys who meet at WW would still meet at SWM, like Cotto and Clottey for example. Dudes like Calzaghe and Lacy would jsut go up to Cruiser. If no one had to rehydrate then they would just meet at the weight class they belong. If this happened it would make Floyd even more dominant, because he'd be fighting guys his size and not those naturally bigger than him. Baldomir and Oscar weighed in at SMW and Floyd at WW in their fights. That means Floyd has the skills to go to SMW and win if weigh-ins were the same day and boxers did not have to rehydrate. My point is that it would not make fighters look bad to fight at their natural weight (cuz they'd still face each other), but instead it would make those like Floyd, who can fight bigger men, look much better. I was thinking 2 ways when I said that. The 1st way I was just talking about the guys I named. Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, and a few others but everyone else in boxing stays the same so they still would fight those same guys. The 2nd way is the way your talking about that and I also thought about that when I was writing it. I couldnt speak much on it though because I dont really keep track of those guys weights up there. Like, is Calzaghe really a big guy or does he only weigh like 174 even when he's not fighting? The same for Lacey and so on. I dont really know these guys weight. One guy I really dont think is that big is Dawson. Have you guys seen his resume on Boxing rec? I was fascinated because just like 2 years ago he was fighting at 160 and right before that he was at 154. what if he could still make that now? Thats why I think he has no problems about even fighting Calzaghe at 168 or whatever. He was huge at those lower weights but he may be fighting like Floyd now, close to his natural weight. I still dont know though? Showtime still doesnt put the new weights up so I guess we'll never know. Even in the 2nd way, it still would be exactly the same though because guys still do weigh a little different. Some of these small guys walk around at 180 but others may only be 170 or 160. In the end its too much to think about but I think the main point is solid about Floyd

Why do think that diego didnt take the third fight with castillo, And complained when he lost the second fight, and said those couple pounds made a big difference. Hatton fans made excuse when he fought collazo saying at 147 he didnt have the speed. And he wouldnt be wanting a catch weight with a fight with floyd. You guys arent fighters so dont act like it doesnt make a difference, fighters complain about catch weights and what weight class they should be fighting at all the time.

DLT, you make a lot of great points, but I disagree that guys like Cotto and Clottey would get raped at SMW and Chico and Castillo at LMW. If they fought the dudes who fight there NOW, like Oscar and Calzaghe and them, you'd be right, but you're saying that if everyone fought at the weight class that they weigh in naturally, then there would be no mismatches. It would just mean everyone would go up to a heavier category, but the guys who meet at WW would still meet at SWM, like Cotto and Clottey for example. Dudes like Calzaghe and Lacy would jsut go up to Cruiser. If no one had to rehydrate then they would just meet at the weight class they belong. If this happened it would make Floyd even more dominant, because he'd be fighting guys his size and not those naturally bigger than him. Baldomir and Oscar weighed in at SMW and Floyd at WW in their fights. That means Floyd has the skills to go to SMW and win if weigh-ins were the same day and boxers did not have to rehydrate. My point is that it would not make fighters look bad to fight at their natural weight (cuz they'd still face each other), but instead it would make those like Floyd, who can fight bigger men, look much better.

I post things not about Floyd all the time but its just that every time somone around Floyd's weight wins, then everyone goes crazy about a matchup against Floyd. Dont act like there is anything else going on with these boards right now. After the Cotto win then it was all about Floyd from both sides until it cooled down. Now after Hatton its all about Floyd again. It will again cool down in a few days but there is really not much else to talk about right now since there are no fights anytime soon excpet the sorry ass HW's

PART 2 Castillo was past his prime but as Ive said, even in his prime he always completely sucked away from 135. How does that look? You could easily argue that he was only good because he was 10x bigger then everyone else. Every time he moved up he looked like garbage. He cant even move up 1 weight class when he's a 100 times bigger then Floyd but Mayweather has a belt in 5 weight classes? Its the same with all these guys. Hatton is way bigger then Floyd but will he ever even win a title at 154? He will completely struggle and could easily lose against a bum. Even at 147 many people think he is average but Floyd is easily smaller, comes from 2 weight classes lower then him, and has fought at 2 weight classes higher then him. Cotto? Does even his lovers think he will ever be a MW champ? Most will tell you that he will be completely average at 154 and he may not even be able to beat the elite at 147. Floyd deserves way more credit for what he's doing. Again, the few guys who do win a different weight classes are all way bigger then Floyd. There not doing it like him just beating guys at weights they clearly dont belong at. Its amazing what he's doint. What about a guy like Tszyu who everyone thinks is a monster? He's at 140 forever and most dont think he wouldve done anything special at 147 and had no chance in hell at 154 yet Floyd starts at 2 weight classes lower and is fighting at 2 weight classes higher, beating a legend even though Tszyu is clearly way bigger and way stronger then Floyd. Why doesnt he get credit for this? Then sometimes when he does just box or fights what some would say is boring, people get mad at him? Forgetting about the part where the other guy is 10x bigger then him in reality. Forgetting the part that he's figthing way over his limit while the other guys is losing 30 pounds just to beat up on small guys, forgetting the part that the other guy has 20 pounds on him in the ring? I cant believe that the writers and announcers dont make a bigger deal out of this and I cant believe that the haters wont aknowledge how special that is what he's doing. Hatton, Cotto, & Margarito fans, tell those guys to have 1 fight at there walk around weight and lets see what happeneds to them? Lets see can any of them last the whole fight. Lets see how much running would they do in the ring with a LHW. Not only that but let them fight at that weight against a good fighter who walks around at over 200 pounds but comes down just so he can beat smaller guys. Forget about winning because you know thats not a possiblity at all dont you ever post about anything other than MAyweather? Obsessions arent healthy and sometimes illegal.

its not a big deal because if somone rehydrate 100 pounds that doesnt mean he stronger or better off he is just heavier and its not muscle its just water weigth they had to lose to make weight. and sometimes they get lil extra. its not a big deal it jsut shows floyds dedication to be at his weight all the time Come on man, those guys are naturally bigger guys. Your going to try to play like there not? Floyd is not Hopkins. Hopkins stays at his weight even when he's not fighting. Floyd doesnt do that. Floyd just isnt a big guy. Hatton and those guys legitimatly go to 180 plus pounds in between fights. It might not be muscle but its not muscle with most people in the world. Weight is weight. You dont think it matters at all when a guy comes into the ring much bigger then his opponent? You dont think it matters at all when a guy walks around naturally 30 pounds bigger then his opponent? It may not be a big deal in the normal world but in boxing & the UFC every single pound counts

its not a big deal because if somone rehydrate 100 pounds that doesnt mean he stronger or better off he is just heavier and its not muscle its just water weigth they had to lose to make weight. and sometimes they get lil extra. its not a big deal it jsut shows floyds dedication to be at his weight all the time

I think if you are to be successful at a number of weights you require certain physical attributes and a certain style. If you are comparing Hatton and Mayweather, it is fairly obvious that Hatton's style is not conducive to fighting successfully at higher weights whereas Floyd can operate at higher weights successfully because of the exceptional defensive skills he possesses. Mayweather is a special talent, of that there is no doubt, but just because he can do something better than some fighters does not necessarily mean that he can do all things better nor does it mean he would be a certainty to beat those fighters at their optimum weight.

PART 2 Castillo was past his prime but as Ive said, even in his prime he always completely sucked away from 135. How does that look? You could easily argue that he was only good because he was 10x bigger then everyone else. Every time he moved up he looked like garbage. He cant even move up 1 weight class when he's a 100 times bigger then Floyd but Mayweather has a belt in 5 weight classes? Its the same with all these guys. Margarito goes up just 1 time to fight a bum in Santos and he looks completely average. He didnt look like he would even be a top 10 154 pounder in that fight. Hatton is way bigger then Floyd but will he ever even win a title at 154? He will completely struggle and could easily lose against a bum. Even at 147 many people think he is average but Floyd is easily smaller, comes from 2 weight classes lower then him, and has fought at 2 weight classes higher then him. Cotto? Does even his lovers think he will ever be a MW champ? Most will tell you that he will be completely average at 154 and he may not even be able to beat the elite at 147. Floyd deserves way more credit for what he's doing. Again, the few guys who do win a different weight classes are all way bigger then Floyd. There not doing it like him just beating guys at weights they clearly dont belong at. Its amazing what he's doint. What about a guy like Tszyu who everyone thinks is a monster? He's at 140 forever and most dont think he wouldve done anything special at 147 and had no chance in hell at 154 yet Floyd starts at 2 weight classes lower and is fighting at 2 weight classes higher, beating a legend even though Tszyu is clearly way bigger and way stronger then Floyd. Why doesnt he get credit for this? Then sometimes when he does just box or fights what some would say is boring, people get mad at him? Forgetting about the part where the other guy is 10x bigger then him in reality. Forgetting the part that he's figthing way over his limit while the other guys is losing 30 pounds just to beat up on small guys, forgetting the part that the other guy has 20 pounds on him in the ring? I cant believe that the writers and announcers dont make a bigger deal out of this and I cant believe that the haters wont aknowledge how special that is what he's doing. Hatton, Cotto, & Margarito fans, tell those guys to have 1 fight at there walk around weight and lets see what happeneds to them? Lets see can any of them last the whole fight. Lets see how much running would they do in the ring with a LHW. Not only that but let them fight at that weight against a good fighter who walks around at over 200 pounds but comes down just so he can beat smaller guys. Forget about winning because you know thats not a possiblity at all