here's another one i debate w/ a friend from work, & a rare topic me & my cousin agree upon.....
some people say pbf is the complete package, has it all, the real deal....etc. & that's fine, u can make an arguement....
myself & others think he's had quite a few handpicked opponents (granted every fighter does, but they don't get the prestige & respect for beating them) & i think lennox lewis said it best on the malignaggi/ndou -fight, people don't mind boxers, they don't like runners....to para phrase a bit-
i think pbf, for the most part (Since moving up from 135) fights as a runner & fights NOT TO LOSE, as opposed to Fighting To Win....good example is the delahoya fight....yeah the name of the game is to hit & not be hit, but pbf was fighting not to lose & safe, where as oscar was there fighting to win.....playing it safe, in my opinion, isn't an effort worthy enough to take anyones belt from them
the malignaggi fight was a good example of "hit & don't be hit" while fighting TO WIN.....
will admit pbf is talented but we'll never know how much until he truely fights to win & not against guys he's suppose to whip
no its the mayweather marks that cant distinguish that, and your ACTUALLY using chavez as a benchmark? lmao what is that dude 89? Movin around the ring ala Roy Jones Jr was skill, there were PLENTY of punches and power punches used by him and he only went back to get out of the way of a punch or when he was hurt. Running ala Floyd Mayweather is going backwards before a punch is even thrown just praying you dont get hit and throwing a few jabs, and when one of those jabs gets lucky enough to hit you flurry with some punches to impress the judges who seem to be marks as well. Have you noticed that every big fight Mayweather has fought has gone the distance to those drunk ass judges, except the fight where he fought a 102 year old gatti
tyson shouldnt be on the top 5-he didnt beat '' the best of his era'',lewis and holy.
no its the mayweather marks that cant distinguish that, and your ACTUALLY using chavez as a benchmark? lmao what is that dude 89? Movin around the ring ala Roy Jones Jr was skill, there were PLENTY of punches and power punches used by him and he only went back to get out of the way of a punch or when he was hurt. Running ala Floyd Mayweather is going backwards before a punch is even thrown just praying you dont get hit and throwing a few jabs, and when one of those jabs gets lucky enough to hit you flurry with some punches to impress the judges who seem to be marks as well. Have you noticed that every big fight Mayweather has fought has gone the distance to those drunk ass judges, except the fight where he fought a 102 year old gatti
You just showed why you don't shit about PBF or boxing for that matter. Do you know which Chavez I was talking about?
no its the mayweather marks that cant distinguish that, and your ACTUALLY using chavez as a benchmark? lmao what is that dude 89? Movin around the ring ala Roy Jones Jr was skill, there were PLENTY of punches and power punches used by him and he only went back to get out of the way of a punch or when he was hurt. Running ala Floyd Mayweather is going backwards before a punch is even thrown just praying you dont get hit and throwing a few jabs, and when one of those jabs gets lucky enough to hit you flurry with some punches to impress the judges who seem to be marks as well. Have you noticed that every big fight Mayweather has fought has gone the distance to those drunk ass judges, except the fight where he fought a 102 year old gatti
you will never shut the Mayweather marks up as hard as you try, the majority of them are as ignorant as he is. They always run their mouth on how he is the greatest ever , sometimes even more than he does (and that takes alot)
I voted for pitty pat runner cause its the obvious. I think he has the tools to where he COULD become a great boxer, but he isnt one now. Until he is in there and fights to win and shows some ring generalship he wont be a great boxer to me. Howard Lederman said it best, I dont like to judge runners and potshots because thats all it is, running. Mayweather has had alot of handpicked opponents, thats because he wont fight someone that is great at cutting off the ring cause he knows he would get destroyed, if Oscar would have gone on the attack fighting mayweather I dont think it would have went to a decision.
Your dislike of Mayweather is blinding you. Corrales, Castillo and Chavez were above average at cutting of the ring and they all lost. Castillo and Chavez also applied plenty of attacking pressure and guess what they still lost. De la Hoya isn't a attacking fighter and trying to change what you really in a match against PBF isn't what you really want to do but what could he do because he was not a better boxer than PBF so De la Hoya got what he got which was a loss on his record. Moving around the ring and running is 2 different things and it seems that the majority of you can't distinguish between the 2.
you will never shut the Mayweather marks up as hard as you try, the majority of them are as ignorant as he is. They always run their mouth on how he is the greatest ever , sometimes even more than he does (and that takes alot)
I voted for pitty pat runner cause its the obvious. I think he has the tools to where he COULD become a great boxer, but he isnt one now. Until he is in there and fights to win and shows some ring generalship he wont be a great boxer to me. Howard Lederman said it best, I dont like to judge runners and potshots because thats all it is, running. Mayweather has had alot of handpicked opponents, thats because he wont fight someone that is great at cutting off the ring cause he knows he would get destroyed, if Oscar would have gone on the attack fighting mayweather I dont think it would have went to a decision.
sorry to some of the nut huggers but....pbf needs to fight & not run around to be considered an awsome fighter/legend.....& not against guys like an aging corely, a shot mitchell, forget about bruesseles, a shot gatti.....etc.
a boxer can still fight......a runner doesn't fight or like i said earlier, doesn't fight TO WIN....got speed & skills, but we really haven't seen those skills on display since 135 lbs.....
and Sharmba Mitchell is what you consider a top opponent?not a top fighter by any means, but he was floyd's 1st fight at 147 so it he was a reliable opponent, and on top of that he was southpaw and floyd fighting a southpaw at a weight he never fought before was a good test for him. sharmba had fast hands, and even emanuel steward(who predicts mayweather's fights wrong) even gave sharmba a good chance against mayweather, so i guess, emauel steward doesn't know what he's talking about huh?
floyd is an awesome legend as far as his skills are concerned. he is a tactician in the ring, and knows how to punch and when to punch and throws usually precise punches. he's methodical with his skills. he knows he can brawl with best of them just as much as he can box with the best of them or just crusie on his way to victory. floyd knows how to win under any circumstance and his skills are just the legs that keep him running. he is a very skilled fighter with a knowledge for the sport like no other. he comes from a fighting family who trained him to be as good as he is today. his father is a great trainer and was an amazing defensive fighter, his uncle jeff was slick and fast and had great defense like his counterpunch. his uncle roger has a nice right hand, so floyd's skills were harnessed by his predecessors.
At 135, while Floyd was still relatively inexperienced, I think Joel Casamayor would of beat Floyd too.
However, if they were to fight now, say at 140, Floyd would tax that ass.i disagree. floyd at 135 was very experienced. i mean, he is one of the rare fighters who put it all together at a young age, which is why i saw him beating anybody at 135. cassamayor was slick at 135 but imo floyd would have knocked him out because of how experienced floyd was. remember, at 140, floyd fought 3 or 4 times. gatti, sosa, corley, chavez if i'm not mistaken. at 140, floyd possessed decent power still like he had at 135. he set down on his punches more though, so i would actually give caasmayor a better chance at 140 than at 135, but with floyd winning decisively though. what people seem to forget is that at 140, floyd mayweather brawled a lot. he did against corley and sosa. joel, as technical as he was, made many mistakes in the ring. i felt he rushed his shots a lot, and even though he was very technically sound, floyd mayweather would have been aggressive against him and beat him. at 140, floyd was a killer, out for blood, and still had his speed. he comboed a lot at 140 also, but at 135, floyd's footwork was undoubtedely damn near flawless and against joel, he would have used it to lead with his left hook, and joel would have been tagged a lot against mayweather. but, the fight never happened, and i dont' ever see it happening ever so oh well, it'll have to settle for a dream match.
:bsflag: Floyd is the best in the sport today. Zab wasn't slow he got whooped. Sharmba wasn't slow he got whooped. Not even Oscar was slow and he was defeated.
and Sharmba Mitchell is what you consider a top opponent?
hes not really a runner like jones who could hit hard and move his whole career or whitiker or hopkin who moved there whole career... he dont move all that well unless the guys is slow as hell like corrales or baldomir or gatti ... a guy like joel casmayor would pick mayweather apart
My god you're stupid. I may be mistaken but wasn't it you that said Andre Berto and James Kirkland could beat Floyd right now? I think that says enough about your intelligence. You should stop talking.
hes not really a runner like jones who could hit hard and move his whole career or whitiker or hopkin who moved there whole career... he dont move all that well unless the guys is slow as hell like corrales or baldomir or gatti ... a guy like joel casmayor would pick mayweather apart
At 135, while Floyd was still relatively inexperienced, I think Joel Casamayor would of beat Floyd too.
However, if they were to fight now, say at 140, Floyd would tax that ass.
:bsflag: Floyd is the best in the sport today. Zab wasn't slow he got whooped. Sharmba wasn't slow he got whooped. Not even Oscar was slow and he was defeated.
zab cant use his feet in cunjunction with his offense... and mitchell throws wide shots...
hes not really a runner like jones who could hit hard and move his whole career or whitiker or hopkin who moved there whole career... he dont move all that well unless the guys is slow as hell like corrales or baldomir or gatti ... a guy like joel casmayor would pick mayweather apart
:bsflag: Floyd is the best in the sport today. Zab wasn't slow he got whooped. Sharmba wasn't slow he got whooped. Not even Oscar was slow and he was defeated.
He was the total pacakge from 30-40; he's a four tool guy above 140. His power isn't there. He used to be entertaining and fun to watch along with his skills.