here's a question....how do u rate Kostya Tszyu

yar that was me. Tzsyu had to do what he could to survive. Hatton was waaay overboard w/the dirt and Ref Dave Parris is known for being on the take. Rewatch the fight and you'll see headbutts, elbows, forearms, holding & hitting, low blows. I mean, what didnt Hatton do in that fight? Suplex? Boston Crab? DDT? Piledriver? Come on... That was a rough fight but don't exaggerate, and don't overlook the fact that you couldn't pick out either man as the most guilty.

Hatton He made Tsyzu quit.......on his stool.. How funny is that from a over hyped fat bloke..

hatton was a little too WWE in that fight....surprised he didn't jump off the top rope SNUKKA from the top turn-buckle!!!:headbang:

noted... my gripe is when people cant see what really happened in the Hatton fight. I agree w/your above post. Tzsyu was hittable and had c h i nks. He wasnt the total package but showed signs of greatness. Thats all. hatton was a little too WWE in that fight....surprised he didn't jump off the top rope

noted... my gripe is when people cant see what really happened in the Hatton fight. I agree w/your above post. Tzsyu was hittable and had c h i nks. He wasnt the total package but showed signs of greatness. Thats all.

great fighter. legend? no.

the way i see peoples responses makes me think i am talking to my cousin, who likes kt....is a kt fan.....doesn't want to hear anything..... were're all that way a little bit.... i think outside of his straight right, people are over rating his other skills, to the point where it sounds like they are talking about SRR from some of the things i read.... i always felt that if you keep him from coming forward & force him to react (NOT SET UP His RT HAND), he's very beatable & HITABLE.....like in the phillips fight & hatton fight (even first half of rd 1 in the judah fight).... whatever, i think were're all entitled to our own opinions.....just to clear it up, i never said he stinks, just a "Good' Fighter

ps-someone mentioned hatton being dirty.....KT wasn't exactly clean in that fight eigther if u want to be honest.....in fact, i have seen him rough house/ fight a little dirty in a few fights.....never really bothered me, rough housing is part of boxing (A little Bit) yar that was me. Tzsyu had to do what he could to survive. Hatton was waaay overboard w/the dirt and Ref Dave Parris is known for being on the take. Rewatch the fight and you'll see headbutts, elbows, forearms, holding & hitting, low blows. I mean, what didnt Hatton do in that fight? Suplex? Boston Crab? DDT? Piledriver? Come on...

Tszyu was a solid, admirable fighter, but not an all time great. His body of work is pretty good with Judah obviously being his best win...a fight nobody thought he would win

Well he destroyed Judah in his prime, look at all the cotto nuthugging after a 11 round TKO, Kostya did in just 2. Kostya has destroyed Mitchell (prime)x2, Chavez, Roger Mayweather, Tackie, Santos, Gonzalez and many more. He unified the division and was ranked #2 p4p at the time hatton beat him, if thats not a great fighter i don't know what is, the guy is a legend. 20 World Title fights, 18 of them won, its when Kostya went against these guys, they were highly highly rated at the time, might not look so great now but they were at the time. more like 4th. you forget Hopkins hadn't lost to Taylor yet, and Mayweather was a clear #2. I forget who else I had in there...might have been Tszyu if not Barrera

I rate Tzu at or near the top as far as jrWW's go but the fact that he never took the risk and never went to WW when that division was loaded with Quartey, Oba Carr, Tito hurts his overall

Well he destroyed Judah in his prime, look at all the cotto nuthugging after a 11 round TKO, Kostya did in just 2. Kostya has destroyed Mitchell (prime)x2, Chavez, Roger Mayweather, Tackie, Santos, Gonzalez and many more. He unified the division and was ranked #2 p4p at the time hatton beat him, if thats not a great fighter i don't know what is, the guy is a legend. 20 World Title fights, 18 of them won, its when Kostya went against these guys, they were highly highly rated at the time, might not look so great now but they were at the time. I DON'T KNOW....chavez had one leg in an old age home....roger mayweather was well past his time....sharmba had one good leg in the first fight, never really impressive since then, even in the second fight, far from his prime....tackie, i'll ignore that one....lol, gonzolez was on his way out....santos, hurtado, etc, never panned out to meet there hype over all, let's be honest w/ that one..... judah was still GREEN if anything, not in his prime.....he was still a freaking kid (some ways still is, at least mentally).....some of the guys i mentioned gave him a tough time & close calls, like i said these guys were not great.... fighting guys that look to be great or good, then finding out they weren't is a different world than fighting & beating guys that PROVED to be great.... whatever.....he was a good fighter to me.....get destroyed worse than what phillips did against a true ALL TIMER..... ps-someone mentioned hatton being dirty.....KT wasn't exactly clean in that fight eigther if u want to be honest.....in fact, i have seen him rough house/ fight a little dirty in a few fights.....never really bothered me, rough housing is part of boxing (A little Bit)

No doubt. Who knows what would of happened too if he didn't have that year and a half long layoff with that knee injury. IF Mayweather would of had the stones to fight Kostya, I think he would of been layed on his ass. Hmmm...dunno bout that. Vince Phillips did a good job of shutting him down and rate PBF higher than Vince. Woulda been a nice one to see though. Dam, I'm missing Tzsyu in the scene. Ahh teh old days... @ least we have Kostya dancing w/the stars...:ugh:

Didn't he fight Laporte in his 4th pro fight??? That is a god damn feat. He has a pretty good resume of good fighters. He was also known more for how he beat his opponents then the opponents himself. The lazer right hand, the left hook/uppercut...all of those punches had knockout potential. And, he was a tough, iron willed guy. All time great, easy. But not an all time legend. Well the only thing in question is his record. 31 wins doesnt seem like all that much and I dont usually put fighters in the category I do Tzsyu cuz of that fact. But the fact is he fought alot of dope guys early. Tough call...all timers need @ least 40-50 wins. Maybe your right.

KT was a good fighter there's no question about that but he wasn't a great fighter. Examples of great fighters & legends are SSR, SSL, Muhammed Ali, Joe Louis & many many more.

World Champ in his 14th fight, that doesn't happen very often. exactly...last guy i remember doing that was Vargas.

Lets get something straight. Tzsyu quit against Hatton cuz he couldnt fight a dirty fighter and a dirty ref all @ once. He beat Bramble @ 10-0. Dont care is Bramble was on the way out, @ 10-0 its a feat. 12-0 TKO's Angel Hernandez. Not too many cats know but Jake Rodriguez was good back then. Tzsyu TKO 6. Mayweather, Pineda, Ruelas, Hurtado, Gonzalez, Chavez, Zharmba, Tackie, Leija, & Zab were all very good fighters @ one point or another. Most deff a all time great. Only real loss in my book is to Phillips. Who was ill then. Dude had a great chin, a iron fist, and the will to fight. Tzsyu cant be denied.

He was a great fighter no doubt but an all time legend? I don't think so.

he was an awesome fighter imo a legend

i have this debate w/ my cousin all the time & on other boxing boards..... i rate him as a good fighter not a great fighter.....Definately NOT an All Time Great.... i have looked at his resume....not too impressed to be honest, had some tough than usual fights w/ avg, above avg opponents (& don't try to make them better than they were....I.E. Lopez, etc).....beat a few "names" that were just hanging on past there day (or probably broke) & still fighting (chavez for one....mayweather...bramble, lol, can't believe he fought bramble).... he's had 3 big fights, thats it.... & won 1 of them. Quit w/ 3 minutes remaining in the fight w/ hatton (1 rd left) because & i quote "he tought he was losing anyway".....& people compare him to arguello....pryor....other all timers? yeah duran quit, in a much tougher fight taking more punishment & went down fighting, NOT because he was thinking he was losing anyways....we have all seen fighters take much worse punishment in the ring than what hatton dished out.... his one win in big fights.....judah, & the more judah KEEPS LOSING & getting ko'd or put down.....the less impressive that victory looks to be honest (plus he got a free shot on an over confident judah) getting ko'd by phillips doesn't help....at best phillips is an above avg fighter....& yeah he went out on his feet, ONLY because the ref grabbed him & held him up in the coner as he was sliding down the ropes (something ausies & his fans leave out).....he even needed 2 cornermen help him out of the corner to his stool.... now he was a sportsman outside the ring, never in trouble as far as i know....classy interviews.....sweet straight right hand w/ ko power....was very effective as long as he's coming forward, so no i woldn't say he stinks....but not great Definately not an All Time Great one more thing.....my cousin only likes him b/c he thinks judah is an ass