De La Hoya: Clue me in.....

Its not even like Oscar was gassed because he didnt train hard, it was because it takes a tremendous amount of concentration and tension to defend against a speedy guy like PBF.

You thought he fought extreamly well? You call abandoning your effective jab “extremely well”? You call running out of “gas” late “extremely well”? You call throwing way more punches with a lower connects to the other fighter who threw less punches and connected with more shots “extremely well”? You call just a few clean shots “extremely well”? What dictionary are you using? Sound like just another biased remark. Yes he fought extreamly well and if you think he didn't you weren't watching the same fight or just through Mayweather colored glasses. He didn't abandon the jab, he just couldn't throw it as much as people wanted because late in the fight PBF was countering it more and more. It's easy to be an arm chair fighter and tell him what he "should" have dont when you don't have mongoos like Mayweather in fron of you counter punching. As far as "running out of gas", he slowed down but it wasn't the colapse you are making out to be. also, everyone connects less than PBF in every fight he's ever been. DLH was more active and brought the fight to PBF. If he didn't press their wouldn't have been a fight. Lastly, neither fighter landed many clean punches, both had great defenses, PBF was just too elusive for him. Give credit where credit is due and stop hating, it's ugly it really is.

yeah that judge is an idiot. just because a judge thinks a fighter won a fight doesnt mean its true. seriously, its becoming evident that you are absolutly clueless when it comes to boxing. 3 judges scored Hopkins v Forbes for Hopkins by a considerable margin. One judge scored Lewis v Holy I in favor of Holy! There are as many incompetant judges who know nothing about the sport as there are incompetent posters on this board who know nothing about the sport, aka you. And sorry if you cant take a couple insults one an internet forum without taking it personally. get over it and grow up. Tommy Kazmareck, who scored it 115-113 for De La Hoya, is the same judge who had Leonard winning the rematch with Hearns. Still, he's better than Duane Ford.

yeah that judge is an idiot. just because a judge thinks a fighter won a fight doesnt mean its true. seriously, its becoming evident that you are absolutly clueless when it comes to boxing. 3 judges scored Hopkins v Forbes for Hopkins by a considerable margin. One judge scored Lewis v Holy I in favor of Holy! There are as many incompetant judges who know nothing about the sport as there are incompetent posters on this board who know nothing about the sport, aka you. And sorry if you cant take a couple insults one an internet forum without taking it personally. get over it and grow up. Im not taking it personally, im using your words to make you look like an idiot :) Yes, some judges make questionably calls, but they have professional reasoning behind it. In court, even ONE expert has the ability to bring doubt into a case and deny a conviction...how much more so in a subjective match like this. So people who think Oscar won are not "idiots", we just have a different opinion based on different perceived facts-mine being that Floyd landed nowhere near as many punches as they gave him credit for.

lol yeah I really "pressed" you... Bad day on the job? that was my first post on this thread, are you referring to another thread? anyway I think that those who scored it for Oscar, do not know how to score a fight or just wanted to score it for Oscar. Is that an insult? Apparently then it was that judge who also realized that Floyd was not landing significant amounts of shots in the majority of rounds which would balance his obvious lack of aggression. It is not by chance that he was the only one who had it for Oscar, and he wrote tha book on creative scoring I saw the fight, I saw who landed more. Sure, if boxing was called "moving forward" Oscar won the fight... and Whitaker did no beat JCC. Ali never won a single round against Joe Frazier, Hagler won 12 rounds against Leonard and so on... but it's called boxing not moving forward. Aggression has to be effective to be scored. Insulting fighters is in comparison to insulting other people for no reason "ok", theyre public figures and leave themselves open to all manner of criticism. What im saying is that if youre the kind of trashy person who has to insult people you disagree with or dislike(following in the footsteps of PBF and his fans), do it to boxers. I personally tend not to insult fighters, because I have mad respect for their getting in the ring. Actually posters insulting fighters really piss me off, and they are probably the only people on this forum who gor bad k from me.

Notice to members of this forum: funny how posters who picked Oscar to win are insulted even though a JUDGE thought the same. Go insult him and get a life moron. Insulting fighters is ok, but people who insult others over the internet really have problems. yeah that judge is an idiot. just because a judge thinks a fighter won a fight doesnt mean its true. seriously, its becoming evident that you are absolutly clueless when it comes to boxing. 3 judges scored Hopkins v Forbes for Hopkins by a considerable margin. One judge scored Lewis v Holy I in favor of Holy! There are as many incompetant judges who know nothing about the sport as there are incompetent posters on this board who know nothing about the sport, aka you. And sorry if you cant take a couple insults one an internet forum without taking it personally. get over it and grow up.

He's one of the most frustrating fighters of all time. He has or I should say had a lot of ability but always gave fights away. He threw away his best weapons as a fighter. Instead of training hard he was recording some stupid Album. Instead of bulking up and training hard for his Middleweight debut he hardly trained and eat too many tacos by the looks of it. Oscar is done and not a PPV fighter anymore. This probably doesn't help but I don't feel like writing a essay of why Oscar isn't what he should be as a fighter at the moment. it wasnt tacos. he swallowed roberto duran.

lol yeah I really "pressed" you... Bad day on the job? Apparently then it was that judge who also realized that Floyd was not landing significant amounts of shots in the majority of rounds which would balance his obvious lack of aggression. Insulting fighters is in comparison to insulting other people for no reason "ok", theyre public figures and leave themselves open to all manner of criticism. What im saying is that if youre the kind of trashy person who has to insult people you disagree with or dislike(following in the footsteps of PBF and his fans), do it to boxers.

Notice to members of this forum: funny how posters who picked Oscar to win are insulted even though a JUDGE thought the same. Go insult him and get a life moron. well, the JUDGE wrote a book in which he defends the quite original position that DEFENSE should be last when scoring fights, and AGGRESSION is on the same level as CLEAN HARD PUNCHES. so I do not insult people until pressed to do so, but agreeing with a guy who single-handedly reinvented the rules by which rounds are scored is not a good... defense. Insulting fighters is ok, but people who insult others over the internet really have problems. why is insulting fighters ok?

your an absolute idiot if you thought oscar beat Floyd. seriously, your fucking retarted. Notice to members of this forum: funny how posters who picked Oscar to win are insulted even though a JUDGE thought the same. Go insult him and get a life moron. Insulting fighters is ok, but people who insult others over the internet really have problems.

Addison, this is exactly what I was thinking given his performance over the entire course of his career, as opposed to just this last fight. I wonder what his trainers would say but they probably aren't talking. Cuahtemoc, I met Sal Sanchez when he was here for his LaPorte fight. Got a signed fight poster. He was a class act.

He has fought lots of big fights for a lot of years. He's had the best trainers available and, to all appearances, seems to be in great shape when he steps in the ring. So why can't he put 12 hard rounds together. In this last fight, basically all he had to do was jab and provoke some exchanges over the last 4 - 5 rounds, and he would have walked away with either the decision or maybe even gotten lucky and KO'd Mayweather. He's never been out from a punch to the head, and he still looks fresh after the fight, even though he isn't throwing at the end of the fight. In fact, he's only been KO'd once to the body by a much bigger, stronger guy. Any trainer will tell his fighter that if he can't hit the other guy with the jab, he can't hit him with anything. He won't be able to feint his way in moving his whole body around, if he can't even touch him with his hand. So what is wrong with this guy? He simply can't get into real good condition where he can fight hard for 12 rounds? Who would want to watch more of the same given his inability to come up to speed when he was younger, and he's already 34? Somebody provide an answer please.... Good stuff. :fing02: Most of what we understand about Oscar's conditioning and stamina gets spun directly by the man himself.. The truth is something else. Nice deductive exploration here.. I think it's time we came to the conclusion De La Hoya is a man with either conditioning defects, or concentration problems.. Perhaps both.

You thought he fought extreamly well? You call abandoning your effective jab “extremely well”? You call running out of “gas” late “extremely well”? You call throwing way more punches with a lower connects to the other fighter who threw less punches and connected with more shots “extremely well”? You call just a few clean shots “extremely well”? What dictionary are you using? Sound like just another biased remark.

Here is your answer: he lost to a better boxer. It pains me to say that because I have always been a De La Hoya fan. He is smart, has underrated power, and though he has lost a step, is pretty quick. But the fact is Mayweather is one of the best defensive fighters to come around since Ray Leanard. He has perfected the “stick and move” to a point where it looks effortless in the ring, so much so that sometimes people who don’t know boxing mistakenly assume it is apathy. But the fact is when you perfect something it only looks like indifference because the action has become second nature. That’s what the great ones do. Because of this the best De La Hoya could do is put on a show of hitting Mayweather’s gloves while they were in a defensive position which despite the show it put on for the “fans” at ringside, those of us who know boxing did next to nothing. Again, De La Hoya is incredibly talented and despite the impression people have of him, he has a lot of heart. Because of this I believe he still has a few great fights in him. But as much as I hate admitting this as one of his biggest fans, he is simply not in the class of Mayweather. Wow, that's a big statement to say he isn't in Mayweather's class. I couldn't dissagree with you more. Even though you make some valid points about DLH not being able to beat the elite fighters of his era (some). He still fought Mayweather way past his prime, about 6 years too late. You mean to tell me that a prime DLH wouldn't have beaten PBF? I know that's a tough one to call because of styles but when weighing in on legacy's it's something totally different. IMO DLH has more of a legacy than PBF, by far. He has fought way better opposition and won in 6 different weight classes. No matter if you love him or hate him, you can't just ignore those statistics. I admore DLH for just taking this fight. You know how many fighters have passed on PBF because they just know he's too good? If you look at the fight between DLH and PBF, I thought DLH fought extreamly well. His defesne was the best I have seen in a ery long time. Even though you are right in the fact that DLH was hitting alot of gloves, so was PBF. He landed a few good shots at towards the end of the fight but they both had alot of trouble hitting each other. You can't compaire 2007 DLH to what he was 8-10 years ago. He was a much better fighter then, with his skills still at their peak. DLH now isn't as good but would still beat 90% of welterweights out there and that's saying alot.

What does retarted even mean? There are plenty who thought that De La Hoya beat Mayweather... Are they all idiots? When i initially watched the fight i had De La Hoya 115-113, but on a second viewing i scored in favour of Mayweather, and then i watched it a third time and was undecided... That's how close the fight was. There have been some good points made on this thread, but the way some people are expressing their opinions you'd think that De La Hoya was far out of Mayweathers league... He isn't. I agree, although i had mayweather winning, the fight was close. From round 8 to 11, DLH wasnt the same fighter than before, he stopped the agressiveness, and thats the reason for me that he lost.

your an absolute idiot if you thought oscar beat Floyd. seriously, your fucking retarted. What does retarted even mean? There are plenty who thought that De La Hoya beat Mayweather... Are they all idiots? When i initially watched the fight i had De La Hoya 115-113, but on a second viewing i scored in favour of Mayweather, and then i watched it a third time and was undecided... That's how close the fight was. There have been some good points made on this thread, but the way some people are expressing their opinions you'd think that De La Hoya was far out of Mayweathers league... He isn't.

Most of De La Hoya's close fights weren't gifts or robberies. Maybe the Sturm fight. The Quartey fight you can give to Oscar by the skin of his teeth if you're generous to him, only the judges were on crack or Uncle Bob's payroll to have him winning after 11 rounds and not needing the 12th to win. The Whitaker fight was close and could've gone either way, Jerry Roth giving Oscar nine rounds is kind of a head stratcher. Oscar should've won the Trinidad fight on my card but there were some close rounds even before Oscar started running (1, 4, 8) mid way thru the 9th (when Oscar still did the better work). The same goes for the Mosley rematch, I had Oscar winning but there were some close rounds. LOL @ Floyd getting a gift against Oscar.

After watching the fight a second time, I have no problem with a draw. I had it 7-5, and one of the earlier rounds could have gone to DLH. I cant see anybody giving Oscar 7 rounds though.

IMO oscar has been robbed: vs Mayweather vs Mosley (2) vs Tito Trinidad and given gifts: vs Sturm vs Quartay your an absolute idiot if you thought oscar beat Floyd. seriously, your fucking retarted.

IMO oscar has been robbed: vs Mayweather vs Mosley (2) vs Tito Trinidad and given gifts: vs Sturm vs Quartay